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>I think a lot of the problem with the current discourse is how black-and-white it is. There is too much money involved for any rational debate.

ben_w 5mo ago
Only on the pro-AI side. The "it is bad" side is diverse on the reasons why, but being overwhelmed by bad content isn't a monetary concern.
- marcta 5mo ago
  Some "ai is bad" arguments come from the threat of losing one's livelihood, which is a monetary concern.
  - ben_w 5mo ago
    Which is why I phrased it the way I did. Black and white thinking is not *limited to* monetary concerns.
swiftcoder 5mo ago
> There is too much money involved for any rational debate. For the Sam Altmans of this world, sure, but how much money is the average AI booster commenting on HN actually standing to make?
- seanmcdirmid 5mo ago
  If you are just invested in an index fund, a lot. If you are an HN commenter who is more likely invested heavily in tech stocks, much more than a lot. The other side is the stability of your job or job prospects, and we are adversely affected by that instead.
  - swiftcoder 5mo ago
    > If you are an HN commenter who is more likely invested heavily in tech stocks, much more than a lot. The current state of the stock market is not exactly inspiring confidence about stability over the next few years. Number goes up over sufficient timescales, but if we get a Dotcom-level bust when AI investment slows, there may be a ways to climb back to current levels...
    - seanmcdirmid 5mo ago
      You are still financially affected if AI is a bubble set to burst, just as you are if the boom is set to continue.
- ares623 5mo ago
  I get an extra slice of pizza on fridays for being a good little engineer
roncesvalles 5mo ago
Exactly. Also, keep in mind that CEOs have both a personal monetary incentive and a fiduciary duty to do what's in the best interest of their company. It is batshit insane to me that these days we put a microphone to CEOs, ask them to predict the future, and believe it. The only correct answer that they can say into that microphone is whatever is beneficial to their company, nothing less or more.

ben_w 5mo ago

Only on the pro-AI side. The "it is bad" side is diverse on the reasons why, but being overwhelmed by bad content isn't a monetary concern.

marcta 5mo ago
Some "ai is bad" arguments come from the threat of losing one's livelihood, which is a monetary concern.
- ben_w 5mo ago
  Which is why I phrased it the way I did. Black and white thinking is not *limited to* monetary concerns.

swiftcoder 5mo ago

> There is too much money involved for any rational debate. For the Sam Altmans of this world, sure, but how much money is the average AI booster commenting on HN actually standing to make?

seanmcdirmid 5mo ago
If you are just invested in an index fund, a lot. If you are an HN commenter who is more likely invested heavily in tech stocks, much more than a lot. The other side is the stability of your job or job prospects, and we are adversely affected by that instead.
- swiftcoder 5mo ago
  > If you are an HN commenter who is more likely invested heavily in tech stocks, much more than a lot. The current state of the stock market is not exactly inspiring confidence about stability over the next few years. Number goes up over sufficient timescales, but if we get a Dotcom-level bust when AI investment slows, there may be a ways to climb back to current levels...
  - seanmcdirmid 5mo ago
    You are still financially affected if AI is a bubble set to burst, just as you are if the boom is set to continue.
ares623 5mo ago
I get an extra slice of pizza on fridays for being a good little engineer

roncesvalles 5mo ago

Exactly. Also, keep in mind that CEOs have both a personal monetary incentive and a fiduciary duty to do what's in the best interest of their company. It is batshit insane to me that these days we put a microphone to CEOs, ask them to predict the future, and believe it. The only correct answer that they can say into that microphone is whatever is beneficial to their company, nothing less or more.