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And do what? There is no 'Albertan' national identity, like there is in Quebec, or Ukraine, or Taiwan or Ireland. You can't build an independent nation around s

by vkou 5mo ago

And do what? There is no 'Albertan' national identity, like there is in Quebec, or Ukraine, or Taiwan or Ireland. You can't build an independent nation around something that is only wanted by a single political party, who have no fucking idea of how to include everyone who isn't a Tory on board with their project. Trace it back a bit, and you'll find that there's nothing to this that isn't driven by the Department of State.

flyinglizard 5mo ago
Can't avoid gloating over this one. Just like the Palestinian identity was created and weaponized against Israel by the Arab world, now Canadians will get a taste of their own medicine courtesy of the Trump admin.
- elAhmo 5mo ago
  You got the sides wrong unfortunately, one of the states you are mentioning was literally created in the last century and is now doing the same thing that prompted its creation. But it must be nice living in ignorance and buying the propaganda.
- vkou 5mo ago
  There's a minor difference. Whether Palestinians have a national identity or not, driving them out of their homes at gunpoint and settling in is a war crime. Albertans, while obviously the most disadvantaged and persecuted Canadians in recorded history, have not yet had anyone commiting genocide or war crimes against them.
  - 52-6F-62 5mo ago
    > Albertans, while obviously the most disadvantaged and persecuted Canadians in recorded history Um what?
    - tclancy 5mo ago
      (The author is complimenting us on our ability to recognize sarcasm in the wild, don't ruin it)
- cumshitpiss 5mo ago
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- tclancy 5mo ago
  But why gloat? What are you winning? Even if there were prizes here (spoiler: all the loot boxes are empty in this game), do you perceive yourself better off because of this? >now Canadians will get a taste of their own medicine courtesy of the Trump admin. Ah so no, you're just in the higher end of the sinking canoe laughing at the people who are drowning.
briga 5mo ago
Albertan/Western Canadian identity is totally a thing, and has been around for a lot longer than this latest round of separatist sentiment. The west has been griping about unfair treatment from the federal government for over a century now, so 1) this isn't primarily driven by foreign interference and 2) it's not coming out of nowhere. Whether it's a good idea is a different question. I doubt most Albertans want to be independent. I also think being a landlocked country with a resource economy means that you will always be subject to outside control, whether that be parliament in Ottawa or corporate offices in Dallas. It remains unclear if being independent will solve the issue of Alberta being land-locked.
- 52-6F-62 5mo ago
  Alberta was created out of several divisions of the NWT barely over 100 years ago, formed by the federal government of Canada. It's not a thing. Hatred or criticism of Toronto and Ontario at large is a thing. But that's a thing everywhere. It's a fundamental part of the Canadian identity.
  - briga 5mo ago
    If you don't think it's a thing then you're either not from here, or haven't been paying attention. The average Canadian's opinion of Alberta is also very telling, with most of the rest of the country seeming to despise the province, or think it's some sort of regressive backwater.
    - cwillu 5mo ago
      Meanwhile our Prime Minister was raised in Edmonton... No, it's not a thing.
      - briga 5mo ago
        That doesn't make any sense, that's like saying because Trump was raised in New York and he's now president, that New York identity isn't a thing. I think the dismissive attitude here is proving my point.
blululu 5mo ago
Québécois separatism is also driven by a single party with no plan for what to do with all the other groups. I also don’t think that an independent Quebec would be a good idea, but they have leveraged the idea to get equalization payments and increased voting rights. These concessions largely come at the expense of Alberta, so it shouldn’t be hard to see why people would be frustrated without any cia operations.
- amilios 5mo ago
  At least Quebec actually does have a distinct nation/culture/ethnicity/language.
nonethewiser 5mo ago
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- vkou 5mo ago
  Strange how that independent Albertan national identity consists of immediately begging to be annexed by the United States. It's almost like it's entirely driven by foreign influencers and their puppets.

by vkou 5mo ago

flyinglizard 5mo ago

Can't avoid gloating over this one. Just like the Palestinian identity was created and weaponized against Israel by the Arab world, now Canadians will get a taste of their own medicine courtesy of the Trump admin.

elAhmo 5mo ago
You got the sides wrong unfortunately, one of the states you are mentioning was literally created in the last century and is now doing the same thing that prompted its creation. But it must be nice living in ignorance and buying the propaganda.
vkou 5mo ago
There's a minor difference. Whether Palestinians have a national identity or not, driving them out of their homes at gunpoint and settling in is a war crime. Albertans, while obviously the most disadvantaged and persecuted Canadians in recorded history, have not yet had anyone commiting genocide or war crimes against them.
- 52-6F-62 5mo ago
  > Albertans, while obviously the most disadvantaged and persecuted Canadians in recorded history Um what?
  - tclancy 5mo ago
    (The author is complimenting us on our ability to recognize sarcasm in the wild, don't ruin it)
cumshitpiss 5mo ago
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tclancy 5mo ago
But why gloat? What are you winning? Even if there were prizes here (spoiler: all the loot boxes are empty in this game), do you perceive yourself better off because of this? >now Canadians will get a taste of their own medicine courtesy of the Trump admin. Ah so no, you're just in the higher end of the sinking canoe laughing at the people who are drowning.

briga 5mo ago

Albertan/Western Canadian identity is totally a thing, and has been around for a lot longer than this latest round of separatist sentiment. The west has been griping about unfair treatment from the federal government for over a century now, so 1) this isn't primarily driven by foreign interference and 2) it's not coming out of nowhere. Whether it's a good idea is a different question. I doubt most Albertans want to be independent. I also think being a landlocked country with a resource economy means that you will always be subject to outside control, whether that be parliament in Ottawa or corporate offices in Dallas. It remains unclear if being independent will solve the issue of Alberta being land-locked.

52-6F-62 5mo ago
Alberta was created out of several divisions of the NWT barely over 100 years ago, formed by the federal government of Canada. It's not a thing. Hatred or criticism of Toronto and Ontario at large is a thing. But that's a thing everywhere. It's a fundamental part of the Canadian identity.
- briga 5mo ago
  If you don't think it's a thing then you're either not from here, or haven't been paying attention. The average Canadian's opinion of Alberta is also very telling, with most of the rest of the country seeming to despise the province, or think it's some sort of regressive backwater.
  - cwillu 5mo ago
    Meanwhile our Prime Minister was raised in Edmonton... No, it's not a thing.
    - briga 5mo ago
      That doesn't make any sense, that's like saying because Trump was raised in New York and he's now president, that New York identity isn't a thing. I think the dismissive attitude here is proving my point.

blululu 5mo ago

Québécois separatism is also driven by a single party with no plan for what to do with all the other groups. I also don’t think that an independent Quebec would be a good idea, but they have leveraged the idea to get equalization payments and increased voting rights. These concessions largely come at the expense of Alberta, so it shouldn’t be hard to see why people would be frustrated without any cia operations.

amilios 5mo ago
At least Quebec actually does have a distinct nation/culture/ethnicity/language.

nonethewiser 5mo ago

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vkou 5mo ago
Strange how that independent Albertan national identity consists of immediately begging to be annexed by the United States. It's almost like it's entirely driven by foreign influencers and their puppets.