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Vivaldi 8.0

371 points by OuterVale 5mo ago

aucisson_masque 5mo ago
Vivaldi is all about customization but then they categorically refuse to add extension support to their android browser. Imo extension is the ultimate way to customize your browser experience. It's not technical difficulties, there are open source projects that have such support. I also don't believe it's against any TOS because some of these browser are available in the Google play store. I just don't get why they refuse to do that.
- hvb2 5mo ago
  Because of stuff like this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48207660 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48207660 If you don't have the ability to police extensions you're basically putting your users up for sale?
  - joshuaissac 5mo ago
    But they support extensions on desktop. The problem you linked to also happened on desktop because there is no VSCode for phones.
  - atraac 5mo ago
    Your users don't have to use those extensions, so I don't understand how that's relevant? People who do, should be made aware of risks and that's it. This is not a good argument against taking away their option to have that customization.
    - hvb2 5mo ago
      I'm having a hard time finding a thread where people don't complain about npm when the real issue is packages being compromised. Swap packages for extensions in the above and let me know how that's different
      - ThunderSizzle 5mo ago
        But what's your argument? That phone-based extensions are more vulnerable somehow than desktop extensions? If anything, wouldn't a phone extension be more sandboxed than most desktop environments?
  - eviks 5mo ago
    No, if that were true, there would be no extension support on non-mobile
  - zerr 5mo ago
    They can add support for Chrome and Edge extensions marketplaces.
  - retrochameleon 5mo ago
    How is this an argument when you can use extensions on the desktop version?
- Markoff 5mo ago
  I use on desktop Vivaldi, on Android I can recommend Cromite (some people like as well Helium and Ultimatum)
- sys_64738 5mo ago
  Probably it's a very low request priority. I use Vivaldi on Android with the built in blocking at strict. The last thing I remotely have interest in are Extensions in Android Vivalid.
  - aucisson_masque 5mo ago
    > Probably it's a very low request priority. Oh no it's requested a lot. You just got to go in their forum to see it.
- tredre3 5mo ago
  You also can't import bookmarks on Android. The officially recommended way is to sign up for a sync account and verify it (they don't accept throwaway emails), install on desktop, import on desktop, then sync to mobile.
  - aucisson_masque 5mo ago
    That's bad, there is no reason whatsoever you shouldn't be able to import bookmark on the phone. I believe they should just ditch the android version if they don't want to put any effort in it.
Bingflatops 5mo ago
Looks way better and almost everything is quite cohesive but then they add the weird arrow with an uggly box around it in the top right.
- sagacity 5mo ago
  You can just right-click and hide it, though.
Barbing 5mo ago
Respect the tremendous amount of work that went into this! I appreciate the intention to protect my privacy. How does that square with Manifest V2 deprecation as dictated by the adtech company (Google)? Also, for years I’ve been uncomfortable using Chromium as I’m uncomfortable raising that statistic any more, since I don’t want the Internet to be designed for one particular engine. Maybe Vivaldi 9.0 will be the biggest design overhaul of all time and even refactor based on Gecko like Firefox :)
ahofmann 5mo ago
Vivaldi is the browser, where I always wonder why it doesn't get mentioned in all the privacy enhanced browsers. It's the only browser for me, that reliably filters out all ads with ublock origin while working on all websites without any problems. Also the company behind Vivaldi is not in USA/China/Russia, which also helps from my point of view.
- turblety 5mo ago
  Because it's a proprietary closed source fork of Google Chromium. There's nothing to trust. If it's free and closed source, you are the product.
  - isodev 5mo ago
    > you are the product Then we need to have a discussion about that because in case of Vivaldi you are in fact not the product.
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    - turblety 5mo ago
      Happy to discuss. I'm not sure if this [1] is still relevant, but it appears that Vivaldi makes money by promoting search engines and bookmarks to their users via their closed source, secret, Chromium fork. If my usage of their Chromium clone is being used to sell search engines/website bookmarks, then I am indeed the product. There does also seem to be a VPN option on their site that I'm assuming I can pay for, which seems it could be an actually buyable product rather than selling my usage of their browser. 1. https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/ https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/
      - gmueckl 5mo ago
        "Being the product" refers to recording user behavior and processing it for gains. Displaying non-personalized ads (which are trivial to completely avoid in Vivaldi) is not that.
eviks 5mo ago
> If you have been using Vivaldi for years, you have your setup exactly as you want it and you would not trade it for anything. You wouldn't be able to even if you wanted because there is no good way to export/import your changes for the trade to happen Otherwise removing a few borders seems a bit underwhelming for a major version bump
- thunderbong 5mo ago
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portmanteaufu 5mo ago
I'd like to try Vivaldi, but the combination of being (partially) closed-source [1] and free-as-in-beer makes me feel like I must be the product. Do they do any sort of third-party auditing of the closed parts? [1] https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser-open-source/ https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser...
- dgellow 5mo ago
  Im not sure I understand their business model. I don’t see any paid offering on their website
  - zamadatix 5mo ago
    Search engine deals are HUGE for browsers. They're e.g. what has funded Mozilla with many billions over the last 20 years. Mozilla has tried to diversify but everything else has pales in comparison (and the donations are basically a joke). It scales up with usage as well. Not that Safari needed funding, but Google pays Apple upwards of $20,000,000,000 per year for the privilege of being the default for that user base.
    - phs318u 5mo ago
      A lot of people might think $20B is a lot to pay. But search (and “other”) account for over half (>$200B) the of Alphabet’s total revenue from all sources. It’s still a bargain when you consider how few people bother to (or are even aware of the possibility of) changing their default browser. https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/googl/metrics/revenue-by-segment/ https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/googl/metrics/revenue-by-se...
  - newscombinatorY 5mo ago
    Took 2 seconds to startpage* this: https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/ https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/ *screw Google and their AI search
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mrweasel 5mo ago
It's a lovely browser, and a lot of work has clearly been put into it. I should like it, because I used Opera for ages (in the Presto era), but it's just a little to busy for me. There's way to much stuff, to many feature and when the rendering engine is just Blink, I don't really see much of a reason to use it over Firefox. Nice work though and wonderful to see a 3rd party browser maker giving it a go.
ktallett 5mo ago
Two questions, how can you trust closed source? And how are they already on release 8.0; what are these significant improvement each time or is it like apple's yearly release?
- sevg 5mo ago
  If version 8.0 makes you raise your eyebrows, just wait til you see what version Firefox and Chrome are on!
  - ktallett 5mo ago
    Which is even more nuts, especially with the features removed from Firefox sometimes like the grouped tabs removal then regain.
    - zamadatix 5mo ago
      Some want major version numbers to mean "giant changes" and others want version numbers to mean "not just a security patch". Others want something between. None of these approaches is any more correct than the other and theres zero chance of getting everyone to agree only one should be used. You just have to understand which delivery approach is being taken to consume it accordingly. E.g. 1.4.8, 14.8, and 148 all tell their own story. 1.4.8 implies many small releases with a few decent size changes along the way. 14.8 implies a medium speed (perhaps ~yearly) regular delivery if bigger enhancements with minor patches/fixes in between. 148 implies a long running continuous rapid delivery of all things as they become available.
- Mashimo 5mo ago
  > And how are they already on release 8.0; First release was 11 years ago. Why not? Also there is no standard for version releases. I mean there probably is, but none that you have to follow. > how can you trust closed source? Same as using Android or windows or iOS.
adrian_b 5mo ago
With Firefox, especially with Firefox on Linux, which always had and still has poor GPU support, I frequently encounter sites that do not work well or they do not work at all. So I must keep a backup browser, which is normally Vivaldi, because typically any site that works in Chrome also works in Vivaldi. Moreover, Vivaldi has a great advantage over both Firefox and Chrome, in it the command to print a Web page usually works fine, while in both Firefox and Chrome it almost never works correctly. Both Firefox and Chrome are almost never able to render correctly a "printed" page, even if they render the same page perfectly on screen. In the printed page, the graphic elements have almost always wrong sizes, which results in overlapped or invisible page elements. I suppose that this is caused by the fact that many Web pages stupidly use element sizes in pixels, instead of using length units, e.g. points or inches or mm, and both Firefox and Chrome might scale pixels wrongly when rendering for resolutions that differ from that of the screen, while Vivaldi scales them correctly. Besides the "Print" command, the second feature that I like in Vivaldi better than in Firefox or Chrome is that it accepts mouse gestures for most commands, as alternatives to keyboard shortcuts, so you do not need to move the hand from the mouse while browsing.
- dijksterhuis 5mo ago
  > the second feature that I like in Vivaldi better than in Firefox or Chrome is that it accepts mouse gestures for most commands vivaldi was doing something weird for me, can’t exactly remember what now. seemingly unprompted it would switch tabs or go back in history or something. turns out i’d tried to be clever, set up a mouse gesture and forgotten about it. xD
  - Barbing 5mo ago
    > set up a mouse gesture and forgotten about it. xD Classic To do list: make huge spreadsheet of hotkeys across programs and periodically feed them back to myself as flashcards based on [lack of] usage KeyCue didn’t seem to cut it but maybe skill issue
- netsharc 5mo ago
  > mouse gestures Vivaldi is made by people who left Opera after it was bought by a Chinese company, and the mouse gestures are similar. Ny favorites: "Hold right mouse button, click left" is the browser back gesture, and "hold left, click right" is forward.
xerox13ster 5mo ago
I have been using Vivaldi since it was an alpha build. It is the best browser hands down IMO. I have been here for the entire ride. I am so glad to see that there is not AI bundled in this release, which has been a major concern for me when anticipating future releases of this browser. I hope they keep it up.
- sys_64738 5mo ago
  Totally agree. It is the best browser across all platforms of mobile and desktop for me. I read on here all the excuses others make for not using Vivaldi but they don't pass the smell test for me. Long may Vivaldi prosper.
  - nathanmills 5mo ago
    Being closed source doesn't pass the smell test?
    - sys_64738 5mo ago
      The Vivaldi team have a long history of closed source browser development. I mean I was using Opera almost 30 years ago so I don't have any concerns about it being closed source. But you do you.
      - nathanmills 5mo ago
        That makes it worse, not better.
        replwoacause 5mo ago
        Not everything needs to be open source.
        nathanmills 5mo ago
        Disagree.
rjzzleep 5mo ago
Every time I try use Vivaldi I encounter how incredibly slow the UI is. Are all Vivaldi users running it on specced out desktops? Or is it just ao lineux UI latency issue?
- zamadatix 5mo ago
  Same, even on the absolute highest end machines. It has been a few versions since I've given it a go and I otherwise like it but the perf decline over stock Chromium, sometimes randomly appearing, is what has always steered me away again in the past.
- pndy 5mo ago
  I'd guess it's the price for custom UI and customization features they're adding
- alternatex 5mo ago
  Same experience with UI performance, especially on Linux (Fedora). I went back to Zen Browser because of this, but frankly most browsers are performing worse for me on Linux than on Windows.
- psadauskas 5mo ago
  I've switched back and forth between Vivaldi and Firefox on Linux and MacOS for the last decade, and Vivaldi's UI feels much faster. Even on my 5yo laptop or 12yo gaming PC, I haven't noticed any real slowness with the UI, and I'm usually pretty sensitive to that.
zamadatix 5mo ago
I always liked Vivaldi's simple+autohide layout. Unfortunately, the 3-4 times I tried to use it over the years I always ended up giving up due to random performance regressions over stock Chromium. It's been a few versions now though, maybe it's worth a go again.
self_awareness 5mo ago
I was an Opera user for years. Now I'm a Vivaldi user also since a long time. Best browser, FF/Chrome doesn't come close.
dragochat 5mo ago
still as bloated as ever? can't we just have tabs + tiling (either tiles in tabs, or tabs in tiles, both can work), and call it a day? that's all I need from browsing today
- Mashimo 5mo ago
  > still as bloated as ever? That's their thing. Though a lot can be disabled. > can't we just have tabs + tiling Maybe Min or Zen Browser is more your thing?
  - dragochat 5mo ago
    both fail at supporting arbitrary tilings/splits (think vscode splits, or tmux panes)
    - thunderbong 5mo ago
      Vivaldi has this. Ctrl/Cmd click multiple tabs and art the layout.
michelsedgh 5mo ago
Wait so you make a big announcement talking about a full new redesign but dont actually show a demo? That should be illegal
- rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 5mo ago
  Not just that but the screenshots are terrible too...
RockstarSprain 5mo ago
Looks better than expected. I just wish the address bar were expanding fully to the right when selected, with the "Show Full Address" setting on and right-side vertical tabs. Otherwise, one has to jump around the visible part of the address bar in order to find the right part. Edit: details.
- thunderbong 5mo ago
  You can right-click on any part of the top bar and select 'remove'
  - RockstarSprain 5mo ago
    I am not sure how this is relevant? I am talking about limited width of the address bar (when it’s part of the right column with tabs, taking a third of screen’s width at max), not its height or any other elements.
emsign 5mo ago
Been using Opera since the early 00s and followed the dev team to the new company Vivaldi. Using any other browser always feels like a massive downgrade to me. I'm grateful for this software. Made by people with a vision that doesn't suck completely.
MarStudio 5mo ago
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ReptileMan 5mo ago
The killer feature of vivaldi is mouse gestures on every page. The killer feature of brave is the adblocker. I wonder if I can use some AI to maintain a frankenbrowser.
notorandit 5mo ago
A decent solution with vertical tabs!
ValentineC 5mo ago
Vivaldi is somehow the only Chromium-based browser whose extensions survive a macOS migration, presumably because they don't do the same extension encryption that other Chromium browsers do. It's also fantastic for tab hoarders like me.
yard2010 5mo ago
Guys use Vivaldi. It's a present. A browser that has a sustainable business model and interests that reconcile with the user interests - consume the web as god intended, with no literally aids and cancer ads out of the box. I switched a while ago from Firefox and while the UI is.. different, it's been a great experience. In my opinion this project and the great people behind it must be the leaders of this industry, and not the current crooked and twisted hegemony we have now. I'm not affiliated. Happy user.
- xigoi 5mo ago
  Vivaldi for Android does not support extensions, making it a non-starter for me.
  - princevegeta89 5mo ago
    The only browser that supports them on Android is Firefox - but Brave is my main browser and I can't seem to move away from it
- notachatbot123 5mo ago
  https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/ https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/ lists - Partner deals with search engines - Partner deals with bookmark partners - Partner deals through Direct Match - https://vivaldi.com/blog/privacy-without-compromise-proton-vpn-is-now-built-into-vivaldi/ https://vivaldi.com/blog/privacy-without-compromise-proton-v... How are integrated ads and dispatch of user data to third-parties sustainable sources of income?
  - abrowne 5mo ago
    Sustainable means those sources of income will continue, not that they are positive for users.
- tuananh 5mo ago
  a closed-source browser is a non-starter for me.
theusus 5mo ago
For me on Windows. It hangs a lot. Thus I uninstalled.
branon 5mo ago
Closed-source/proprietary and downstream of Chrom* so contributes to browser monoculture. Thanks but no thanks, I'm sticking with Firefox.
FlyingSnake 5mo ago
Used Vivaldi for years but it kept breaking my workflows and would wipe out my meticulously assembled tab groups. After few such gaffes I switched to Brave. I really wanted Vivaldi to work but can’t let it break workflows.
ndom91 5mo ago
Another happy user here - it's the power users chromium fork. Criminally underrated. It's a small Norwegian team with no VC funding and a sustainable business model. I understand if you want to stick with Firefox, but until Ladybird and co are ready for prime time, I'm sticking with Vivaldi. This major release bump is a bit disapointing though. Was expecting some more headlining features than just a bit of a UI clean up.
- ACS_Solver 5mo ago
  I moved to Vivaldi before its 1.0 release and am still happy with, also surprised to see it mentioned so rarely. My previous browser was Firefox but I struggled with a few updates changing things I liked, mostly manageable with about:config until they landed the Australis UI. Made the jump to Vivaldi and it's been pretty great overall. Page tiling is perhaps the killer feature, but overall I like how Vivaldi is a browser for power users who know how they want to use the web. I find it refreshing in the era of browsers trying to be very thin terminals. The only thing missing from Vivaldi is being truly FOSS instead of their hybrid source-available model.
nanook 5mo ago
beware, their sync will go down for weeks and you will lose all your data. https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/1hgfmoh/vivaldi_sync_down_11_days_and_counting/ https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/1hgfmoh/vivaldi_s...
- thunderbong 5mo ago
  I've had sync not working occasionally but I've never ever lost my data in over a decade of using Vivaldi.
cassianoleal 5mo ago
> Get away from Big Tech > You deserve better Probably better to avoid (Chromium-based) Vivaldi then.
ch_123 5mo ago
I loved Opera until they got rid of their in-house browser engine and became a Chromium fork, losing a lot of the functionality and UX I liked about the older versions. Ever since then, I have been very reluctant to use a closed source browser, since I don't want to have to go through another rug-pull of having a company completely change a browser without ability for the community to make a fork.
deafpolygon 5mo ago
> This is Vivaldi. It always has been. Wonder if the site dev was thinking of the astronaut pointing a gun at another astronaut meme when they put this in.
trilogic 5mo ago
It is a great browser, thank you. Would you consider to add an option that signals scam websites and especially the ones that do not give the option of denying cookies or making it helly difficult being so in non compliance with gdpr. That is some data that you will be glad to sell, we get a better service and Eu warriors make some money on it.
laylower 5mo ago
How does it compare with firefox? Can you add ublock and noscript? Ah nevermind I see a chromium fork, I skip
weavie 5mo ago
Vivaldi is the only browser where you can actually disable Ctrl+W from closing a tab. And that is why fat fingered I uses it.
- undume 5mo ago
  Firefox also provides such an option, see about:keyboard
  - weavie 5mo ago
    Wow! Is this a new feature? I swear it wasn't there when I looked into it a few years ago. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
    - duckmysick 5mo ago
      Yes, it was added in version 147 this January.
agotterer 5mo ago
I used Vivaldi for many years and was a huge advocate. The problem for me was the browser got too bloated and buggy. They kept adding functionality that for me wasn’t necessary. For example: built in Proton VPN support, calendars, email functionality, notes, a game arcade. I don’t want any of that bundled in my browser. I want my browser to be lite weight. I eventually switched to Edge a few years ago because it was nice and lite. Now I’m seeing the same pattern play out as they add copilot, shopping, and rewards programs. What browser should I check out next? Some must haves: workspaces, vertical tabs, and chromium extension support.
- voidfunc 5mo ago
  Firefox?
- anon7000 5mo ago
  Firefox generally has a lot of the same extensions. I use Zen browser (the OSS “arc-style” Firefox-based browser) on personal devices and generally like it a lot. It replicates a lot of what Arc did
- qbit42 5mo ago
  I found replacements for the Chrome extensions I was using and switched to Zen, which builds off of Firefox and closely resembles Arc (RIP). It might not be the best security idea to rely on a relatively obscure browser like this, but I find it very pleasant to use.
- sys_64738 5mo ago
  Edge? You don't want the 'bloat' but you are OK with a browser siphoning all your info to M$ to be added to the borg entity.
- sroux 5mo ago
  +1 for Zen, its great
- brandonkal 5mo ago
  I was also a huge fan of Vivaldi. I’d recommend Helium or Orion (desktop only). People knock on Edge but it actually is a nice browser. When on a Windows box I don’t own I use it instead of Chrome. Edge has the best text-to-speech engine in reader mode which I reach for even on macOS on occasion. That’s the only reason I have it on macOS.
xtracto 5mo ago
Pure love from me to Vivaldi. The only browser that allows me to tile 3,4,5... pages in the same view. Or to group pages into "stacks" or many other small but useful perks.
miroljub 5mo ago
Why should I use it instead of, for example, Brave?
- daniel_iversen 5mo ago
  I’d love to know that as well. Long time Brave user that was curious about Vivaldi a long time ago and can’t remember why I went in the other direction. I want privacy and battery life on macOS
brandonkal 5mo ago
Great job on the design refresh! I was a heavy Vivaldi user and especially liked the integrated tiling and tab grouping. But over time it got more and more bloated and performance suffered so now I just use vanilla Safari (didn’t expect that) for most browsing plus Helium when I need to test in Chromium. I use Aerospace for tiling everything now but it breaks Safari scrolling performance so when that becomes annoying I force the Safari window to floating mode.
RandomGerm4n 5mo ago
No, thanks. Vivaldi is proprietary software and therefore not trustworthy. Since the source code isn't fully available, there's no way to verify whether an update might secretly add a feature that collects data. Since the source code isn't fully available and you can't compile it yourself, there's no way to prevent a feature that collects data from being secretly added during an update. The reasoning behind why it isn't open source is also complete nonsense. Just because it's easy to create a fork doesn't change the fact that most users will stick with the original as long as the fork doesn't offer significant improvements. With Firefox, people aren't flocking to the existing forks either.
butz 5mo ago
It is always good to have more than one browser.
startpage_com 5mo ago
Is mouse support in Vivaldi still broken?
- alentred 5mo ago
  I have no idea what this is about, but this comment sounds like it was posted from the 90s. Do we also need to compile an extension to support playing *.wav files in it? Sorry, couldn't resist... :)
  - startpage_com 5mo ago
    I believe MiddleClickAutoscroll was broken in last "stable" GNU/Linux version. I can check once I'm on my laptop.
    - startpage_com 5mo ago
      https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/102072/no-autoscroll-on-middle-mouse-button https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/102072/no-autoscroll-on-midd... The proposed solution didn't work by the way. I uninstalled right there.
gosukiwi 5mo ago
Another Chrome skin
bityard 5mo ago
Well, fuck. One of the main reasons I switched to Vivaldi a few years ago was that it allowed and even advertised a "classic" browser experience. By which I mean: tabs that behaved like tabs, visual separation, not a lot of useless whitespace and corner-radius-maxxed borders everywhere. Looks like that's all gone now and Vivaldi is just yet another generic "flat design" browser. Time to look for something else...
- iza 5mo ago
  The old look is still available. Settings > Themes > Editor > Coloring Mode You can also adjust density, rounded corners, transparency, blur, etc.
encom 5mo ago
>our biggest design overhaul, ever >A new look for a new era Oh god no, just STOP. It's fine the way it is! I dread these headlines from any software project, because it's always worse. Always - and I have to spend time trying restore things back to how it was. Why do software developers do this?
- F3nd0 5mo ago
  What else are they supposed to do, when the new eras just keep coming every other year?
noisy_boy 5mo ago
I use Vivaldi because of its Workspaces which have so much better UX than tab groups. I don't need to see my Social or my Tech tab group until I'm switching for it; Firefox shows them all the time - atleast I haven't found a way to hide them and associated tabs until I need them without having to launch a new window. In Vivaldi, they are ready to use immediately upon switching while keeping everything in the same window keeping my taskbar clean. All this while not making my CPU fans run like a jet engine. I would rather have this experience with Firefox but they are probably more busy focusing on email, vpn and whatever the flavor of the month is.
- toddmorey 5mo ago
  It’s my daily browser. Small glitches occasionally and can lag chrome releases, but the best absolute non-adware browser with powerful features. I have it configured to be ultra minimal with the look of Arc that I loved.
dherikb 5mo ago
I mainly use Vivaldi because it has the best vertical tabs experience among the browsers.
ofalkaed 5mo ago
I switched to Vivaldi years ago because I got sick of dealing with extensions; an update broke a few of my long relied on extensions and a search for alternatives showed hundreds of options. A few hours into my search for replacements I found a post somewhere by someone in a similar situation, one of the responses was "just install Vivaldi" and I did. In all the years since they have not made one change that has caused me grief or affected my use in the slightest, never have had to learn new features or adjust the way I work, I just get a new icon in the sidebar on occasion which I can ignore until I get curious or get sick of seeing it and remove it.
efilife 5mo ago
LLM generated slop. > This isn’t about making the browser look simpler. It’s about making the structure behind it more coherent. This makes everything you see feel like part of the same system. then the unicode decorations
BrenBarn 5mo ago
> Vivaldi 8.0: our biggest design overhaul, ever > If you have been using Vivaldi for years, you have your setup exactly as you want it and you would not trade it for anything. The thing so many software makers seem to not understand is that if I have been using something for years and have my setup exactly as I want it, then I do not want any overhauls.
- self_awareness 5mo ago
  True, but long term users often do not understand that if a project that is expected to make money doesn't try to acquire new userbase, it stops being relevant fast.
  - BrenBarn 5mo ago
    The big-picture view of what you're saying is "anything that does not expand dies", and I think that is a fundamental problem with the way our society works. It should be possible to succeed by just remaining stable.
    - self_awareness 5mo ago
      It's not always about expansion but sometimes can be just about rotation. People lose interest, people change, people die. Software is a reflection of user problems, and users are alive, therefore software must adapt. Software from 1960s can't solve problems of people from 2020s, even if the concept is the same, the binary format is different - OSes are different today. The same solutions had to be adapted to new environment just because the environment has changed. If we'll stop trying to find new users and we'll only try to retain old ones, we automatically have a declining userbase. This is not healthy for any software project, any country, any group.
AuthAuth 5mo ago
I want to like another browser than Firefox but none of the other browsers present any interesting features and all come with web destroying downsides.
dankwizard 5mo ago
I would like to use Vivaldi but from my understanding they harvest just as much user data as Chrome. I'll stick to Brave for now.
longnighthn 5mo ago
the largest plorblem preventing me choose vivaldi as all platforms browser, is that its mobile version , still don't support add browser extension, and they seem won't add this feature in future.
meixger 5mo ago
There are some very annoying bugs or quirks unfixed since years. I tried very hard to like Vivaldi, but it is impossible to use it as a web developer. "If DevTools in focus not possible to switch to another browser tab with CTRL+TAB" or "Text input loosing focus after switching tabs" are some examples.
sharts 5mo ago
I wonder if they have a way to sync profiles, extensions, history, etc across devices + mobile without needing to create an account. Similar to what brave does. Oh well
tau255 5mo ago
Vivaldi was only an option until Google removed any real way to run adblocking extensions from Chromium source. If there was a fork of Chromium allowing Ublock Origin to run it could be considered but as it is now there is no real point to consider Vivaldi or any other Chromium based browsers if you want real ad blocking. Used Vivaldi and it was always slower and more clunkier than Chrome/Chromium but it had its advantages. The team behind it was old Opera team and tried/tries to bring that feel back to the browser with some success. I had been user of old Presto based Opera, the Blink version wasn't really what I looked for and the change of ownership was really questionable.

371 points by OuterVale 5mo ago

Vivaldi is all about customization but then they categorically refuse to add extension support to their android browser. Imo extension is the ultimate way to customize your browser experience. It's not technical difficulties, there are open source projects that have such support. I also don't believe it's against any TOS because some of these browser are available in the Google play store. I just don't get why they refuse to do that.

hvb2 5mo ago
Because of stuff like this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48207660 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48207660 If you don't have the ability to police extensions you're basically putting your users up for sale?
- joshuaissac 5mo ago
  But they support extensions on desktop. The problem you linked to also happened on desktop because there is no VSCode for phones.
- atraac 5mo ago
  Your users don't have to use those extensions, so I don't understand how that's relevant? People who do, should be made aware of risks and that's it. This is not a good argument against taking away their option to have that customization.
  - hvb2 5mo ago
    I'm having a hard time finding a thread where people don't complain about npm when the real issue is packages being compromised. Swap packages for extensions in the above and let me know how that's different
    - ThunderSizzle 5mo ago
      But what's your argument? That phone-based extensions are more vulnerable somehow than desktop extensions? If anything, wouldn't a phone extension be more sandboxed than most desktop environments?
- eviks 5mo ago
  No, if that were true, there would be no extension support on non-mobile
- zerr 5mo ago
  They can add support for Chrome and Edge extensions marketplaces.
- retrochameleon 5mo ago
  How is this an argument when you can use extensions on the desktop version?
Markoff 5mo ago
I use on desktop Vivaldi, on Android I can recommend Cromite (some people like as well Helium and Ultimatum)
sys_64738 5mo ago
Probably it's a very low request priority. I use Vivaldi on Android with the built in blocking at strict. The last thing I remotely have interest in are Extensions in Android Vivalid.
- aucisson_masque 5mo ago
  > Probably it's a very low request priority. Oh no it's requested a lot. You just got to go in their forum to see it.
tredre3 5mo ago
You also can't import bookmarks on Android. The officially recommended way is to sign up for a sync account and verify it (they don't accept throwaway emails), install on desktop, import on desktop, then sync to mobile.
- aucisson_masque 5mo ago
  That's bad, there is no reason whatsoever you shouldn't be able to import bookmark on the phone. I believe they should just ditch the android version if they don't want to put any effort in it.

Bingflatops 5mo ago

Looks way better and almost everything is quite cohesive but then they add the weird arrow with an uggly box around it in the top right.

sagacity 5mo ago
You can just right-click and hide it, though.

Barbing 5mo ago

Respect the tremendous amount of work that went into this! I appreciate the intention to protect my privacy. How does that square with Manifest V2 deprecation as dictated by the adtech company (Google)? Also, for years I’ve been uncomfortable using Chromium as I’m uncomfortable raising that statistic any more, since I don’t want the Internet to be designed for one particular engine. Maybe Vivaldi 9.0 will be the biggest design overhaul of all time and even refactor based on Gecko like Firefox :)

ahofmann 5mo ago

Vivaldi is the browser, where I always wonder why it doesn't get mentioned in all the privacy enhanced browsers. It's the only browser for me, that reliably filters out all ads with ublock origin while working on all websites without any problems. Also the company behind Vivaldi is not in USA/China/Russia, which also helps from my point of view.

turblety 5mo ago
Because it's a proprietary closed source fork of Google Chromium. There's nothing to trust. If it's free and closed source, you are the product.
- isodev 5mo ago
  > you are the product Then we need to have a discussion about that because in case of Vivaldi you are in fact not the product.
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  - turblety 5mo ago
    Happy to discuss. I'm not sure if this [1] is still relevant, but it appears that Vivaldi makes money by promoting search engines and bookmarks to their users via their closed source, secret, Chromium fork. If my usage of their Chromium clone is being used to sell search engines/website bookmarks, then I am indeed the product. There does also seem to be a VPN option on their site that I'm assuming I can pay for, which seems it could be an actually buyable product rather than selling my usage of their browser. 1. https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/ https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/
    - gmueckl 5mo ago
      "Being the product" refers to recording user behavior and processing it for gains. Displaying non-personalized ads (which are trivial to completely avoid in Vivaldi) is not that.

eviks 5mo ago

> If you have been using Vivaldi for years, you have your setup exactly as you want it and you would not trade it for anything. You wouldn't be able to even if you wanted because there is no good way to export/import your changes for the trade to happen Otherwise removing a few borders seems a bit underwhelming for a major version bump

thunderbong 5mo ago
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portmanteaufu 5mo ago

I'd like to try Vivaldi, but the combination of being (partially) closed-source [1] and free-as-in-beer makes me feel like I must be the product. Do they do any sort of third-party auditing of the closed parts? [1] https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser-open-source/ https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser...

dgellow 5mo ago
Im not sure I understand their business model. I don’t see any paid offering on their website
- zamadatix 5mo ago
  Search engine deals are HUGE for browsers. They're e.g. what has funded Mozilla with many billions over the last 20 years. Mozilla has tried to diversify but everything else has pales in comparison (and the donations are basically a joke). It scales up with usage as well. Not that Safari needed funding, but Google pays Apple upwards of $20,000,000,000 per year for the privilege of being the default for that user base.
  - phs318u 5mo ago
    A lot of people might think $20B is a lot to pay. But search (and “other”) account for over half (>$200B) the of Alphabet’s total revenue from all sources. It’s still a bargain when you consider how few people bother to (or are even aware of the possibility of) changing their default browser. https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/googl/metrics/revenue-by-segment/ https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/googl/metrics/revenue-by-se...
- newscombinatorY 5mo ago
  Took 2 seconds to startpage* this: https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/ https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/ *screw Google and their AI search
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mrweasel 5mo ago

It's a lovely browser, and a lot of work has clearly been put into it. I should like it, because I used Opera for ages (in the Presto era), but it's just a little to busy for me. There's way to much stuff, to many feature and when the rendering engine is just Blink, I don't really see much of a reason to use it over Firefox. Nice work though and wonderful to see a 3rd party browser maker giving it a go.

ktallett 5mo ago

Two questions, how can you trust closed source? And how are they already on release 8.0; what are these significant improvement each time or is it like apple's yearly release?

sevg 5mo ago
If version 8.0 makes you raise your eyebrows, just wait til you see what version Firefox and Chrome are on!
- ktallett 5mo ago
  Which is even more nuts, especially with the features removed from Firefox sometimes like the grouped tabs removal then regain.
  - zamadatix 5mo ago
    Some want major version numbers to mean "giant changes" and others want version numbers to mean "not just a security patch". Others want something between. None of these approaches is any more correct than the other and theres zero chance of getting everyone to agree only one should be used. You just have to understand which delivery approach is being taken to consume it accordingly. E.g. 1.4.8, 14.8, and 148 all tell their own story. 1.4.8 implies many small releases with a few decent size changes along the way. 14.8 implies a medium speed (perhaps ~yearly) regular delivery if bigger enhancements with minor patches/fixes in between. 148 implies a long running continuous rapid delivery of all things as they become available.
Mashimo 5mo ago
> And how are they already on release 8.0; First release was 11 years ago. Why not? Also there is no standard for version releases. I mean there probably is, but none that you have to follow. > how can you trust closed source? Same as using Android or windows or iOS.

adrian_b 5mo ago

With Firefox, especially with Firefox on Linux, which always had and still has poor GPU support, I frequently encounter sites that do not work well or they do not work at all. So I must keep a backup browser, which is normally Vivaldi, because typically any site that works in Chrome also works in Vivaldi. Moreover, Vivaldi has a great advantage over both Firefox and Chrome, in it the command to print a Web page usually works fine, while in both Firefox and Chrome it almost never works correctly. Both Firefox and Chrome are almost never able to render correctly a "printed" page, even if they render the same page perfectly on screen. In the printed page, the graphic elements have almost always wrong sizes, which results in overlapped or invisible page elements. I suppose that this is caused by the fact that many Web pages stupidly use element sizes in pixels, instead of using length units, e.g. points or inches or mm, and both Firefox and Chrome might scale pixels wrongly when rendering for resolutions that differ from that of the screen, while Vivaldi scales them correctly. Besides the "Print" command, the second feature that I like in Vivaldi better than in Firefox or Chrome is that it accepts mouse gestures for most commands, as alternatives to keyboard shortcuts, so you do not need to move the hand from the mouse while browsing.

dijksterhuis 5mo ago
> the second feature that I like in Vivaldi better than in Firefox or Chrome is that it accepts mouse gestures for most commands vivaldi was doing something weird for me, can’t exactly remember what now. seemingly unprompted it would switch tabs or go back in history or something. turns out i’d tried to be clever, set up a mouse gesture and forgotten about it. xD
- Barbing 5mo ago
  > set up a mouse gesture and forgotten about it. xD Classic To do list: make huge spreadsheet of hotkeys across programs and periodically feed them back to myself as flashcards based on [lack of] usage KeyCue didn’t seem to cut it but maybe skill issue
netsharc 5mo ago
> mouse gestures Vivaldi is made by people who left Opera after it was bought by a Chinese company, and the mouse gestures are similar. Ny favorites: "Hold right mouse button, click left" is the browser back gesture, and "hold left, click right" is forward.

xerox13ster 5mo ago

I have been using Vivaldi since it was an alpha build. It is the best browser hands down IMO. I have been here for the entire ride. I am so glad to see that there is not AI bundled in this release, which has been a major concern for me when anticipating future releases of this browser. I hope they keep it up.

sys_64738 5mo ago
Totally agree. It is the best browser across all platforms of mobile and desktop for me. I read on here all the excuses others make for not using Vivaldi but they don't pass the smell test for me. Long may Vivaldi prosper.
- nathanmills 5mo ago
  Being closed source doesn't pass the smell test?
  - sys_64738 5mo ago
    The Vivaldi team have a long history of closed source browser development. I mean I was using Opera almost 30 years ago so I don't have any concerns about it being closed source. But you do you.
    - nathanmills 5mo ago
      That makes it worse, not better.
      - replwoacause 5mo ago
        Not everything needs to be open source.
        nathanmills 5mo ago
        Disagree.

rjzzleep 5mo ago

Every time I try use Vivaldi I encounter how incredibly slow the UI is. Are all Vivaldi users running it on specced out desktops? Or is it just ao lineux UI latency issue?

zamadatix 5mo ago
Same, even on the absolute highest end machines. It has been a few versions since I've given it a go and I otherwise like it but the perf decline over stock Chromium, sometimes randomly appearing, is what has always steered me away again in the past.
pndy 5mo ago
I'd guess it's the price for custom UI and customization features they're adding
alternatex 5mo ago
Same experience with UI performance, especially on Linux (Fedora). I went back to Zen Browser because of this, but frankly most browsers are performing worse for me on Linux than on Windows.
psadauskas 5mo ago
I've switched back and forth between Vivaldi and Firefox on Linux and MacOS for the last decade, and Vivaldi's UI feels much faster. Even on my 5yo laptop or 12yo gaming PC, I haven't noticed any real slowness with the UI, and I'm usually pretty sensitive to that.

zamadatix 5mo ago

I always liked Vivaldi's simple+autohide layout. Unfortunately, the 3-4 times I tried to use it over the years I always ended up giving up due to random performance regressions over stock Chromium. It's been a few versions now though, maybe it's worth a go again.

self_awareness 5mo ago

I was an Opera user for years. Now I'm a Vivaldi user also since a long time. Best browser, FF/Chrome doesn't come close.

dragochat 5mo ago

still as bloated as ever? can't we just have tabs + tiling (either tiles in tabs, or tabs in tiles, both can work), and call it a day? that's all I need from browsing today

Mashimo 5mo ago
> still as bloated as ever? That's their thing. Though a lot can be disabled. > can't we just have tabs + tiling Maybe Min or Zen Browser is more your thing?
- dragochat 5mo ago
  both fail at supporting arbitrary tilings/splits (think vscode splits, or tmux panes)
  - thunderbong 5mo ago
    Vivaldi has this. Ctrl/Cmd click multiple tabs and art the layout.

michelsedgh 5mo ago

Wait so you make a big announcement talking about a full new redesign but dont actually show a demo? That should be illegal

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 5mo ago
Not just that but the screenshots are terrible too...

RockstarSprain 5mo ago

Looks better than expected. I just wish the address bar were expanding fully to the right when selected, with the "Show Full Address" setting on and right-side vertical tabs. Otherwise, one has to jump around the visible part of the address bar in order to find the right part. Edit: details.

thunderbong 5mo ago
You can right-click on any part of the top bar and select 'remove'
- RockstarSprain 5mo ago
  I am not sure how this is relevant? I am talking about limited width of the address bar (when it’s part of the right column with tabs, taking a third of screen’s width at max), not its height or any other elements.

emsign 5mo ago

Been using Opera since the early 00s and followed the dev team to the new company Vivaldi. Using any other browser always feels like a massive downgrade to me. I'm grateful for this software. Made by people with a vision that doesn't suck completely.

MarStudio 5mo ago

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ReptileMan 5mo ago

The killer feature of vivaldi is mouse gestures on every page. The killer feature of brave is the adblocker. I wonder if I can use some AI to maintain a frankenbrowser.

notorandit 5mo ago

A decent solution with vertical tabs!

ValentineC 5mo ago

Vivaldi is somehow the only Chromium-based browser whose extensions survive a macOS migration, presumably because they don't do the same extension encryption that other Chromium browsers do. It's also fantastic for tab hoarders like me.

yard2010 5mo ago

Guys use Vivaldi. It's a present. A browser that has a sustainable business model and interests that reconcile with the user interests - consume the web as god intended, with no literally aids and cancer ads out of the box. I switched a while ago from Firefox and while the UI is.. different, it's been a great experience. In my opinion this project and the great people behind it must be the leaders of this industry, and not the current crooked and twisted hegemony we have now. I'm not affiliated. Happy user.

xigoi 5mo ago
Vivaldi for Android does not support extensions, making it a non-starter for me.
- princevegeta89 5mo ago
  The only browser that supports them on Android is Firefox - but Brave is my main browser and I can't seem to move away from it
notachatbot123 5mo ago
https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/ https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/ lists - Partner deals with search engines - Partner deals with bookmark partners - Partner deals through Direct Match - https://vivaldi.com/blog/privacy-without-compromise-proton-vpn-is-now-built-into-vivaldi/ https://vivaldi.com/blog/privacy-without-compromise-proton-v... How are integrated ads and dispatch of user data to third-parties sustainable sources of income?
- abrowne 5mo ago
  Sustainable means those sources of income will continue, not that they are positive for users.
tuananh 5mo ago
a closed-source browser is a non-starter for me.

theusus 5mo ago

For me on Windows. It hangs a lot. Thus I uninstalled.

branon 5mo ago

Closed-source/proprietary and downstream of Chrom* so contributes to browser monoculture. Thanks but no thanks, I'm sticking with Firefox.

FlyingSnake 5mo ago

Used Vivaldi for years but it kept breaking my workflows and would wipe out my meticulously assembled tab groups. After few such gaffes I switched to Brave. I really wanted Vivaldi to work but can’t let it break workflows.

ndom91 5mo ago

Another happy user here - it's the power users chromium fork. Criminally underrated. It's a small Norwegian team with no VC funding and a sustainable business model. I understand if you want to stick with Firefox, but until Ladybird and co are ready for prime time, I'm sticking with Vivaldi. This major release bump is a bit disapointing though. Was expecting some more headlining features than just a bit of a UI clean up.

ACS_Solver 5mo ago
I moved to Vivaldi before its 1.0 release and am still happy with, also surprised to see it mentioned so rarely. My previous browser was Firefox but I struggled with a few updates changing things I liked, mostly manageable with about:config until they landed the Australis UI. Made the jump to Vivaldi and it's been pretty great overall. Page tiling is perhaps the killer feature, but overall I like how Vivaldi is a browser for power users who know how they want to use the web. I find it refreshing in the era of browsers trying to be very thin terminals. The only thing missing from Vivaldi is being truly FOSS instead of their hybrid source-available model.

nanook 5mo ago

beware, their sync will go down for weeks and you will lose all your data. https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/1hgfmoh/vivaldi_sync_down_11_days_and_counting/ https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/1hgfmoh/vivaldi_s...

thunderbong 5mo ago
I've had sync not working occasionally but I've never ever lost my data in over a decade of using Vivaldi.

cassianoleal 5mo ago

> Get away from Big Tech > You deserve better Probably better to avoid (Chromium-based) Vivaldi then.

ch_123 5mo ago

I loved Opera until they got rid of their in-house browser engine and became a Chromium fork, losing a lot of the functionality and UX I liked about the older versions. Ever since then, I have been very reluctant to use a closed source browser, since I don't want to have to go through another rug-pull of having a company completely change a browser without ability for the community to make a fork.

deafpolygon 5mo ago

> This is Vivaldi. It always has been. Wonder if the site dev was thinking of the astronaut pointing a gun at another astronaut meme when they put this in.

trilogic 5mo ago

It is a great browser, thank you. Would you consider to add an option that signals scam websites and especially the ones that do not give the option of denying cookies or making it helly difficult being so in non compliance with gdpr. That is some data that you will be glad to sell, we get a better service and Eu warriors make some money on it.

laylower 5mo ago

How does it compare with firefox? Can you add ublock and noscript? Ah nevermind I see a chromium fork, I skip

weavie 5mo ago

Vivaldi is the only browser where you can actually disable Ctrl+W from closing a tab. And that is why fat fingered I uses it.

undume 5mo ago
Firefox also provides such an option, see about:keyboard
- weavie 5mo ago
  Wow! Is this a new feature? I swear it wasn't there when I looked into it a few years ago. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
  - duckmysick 5mo ago
    Yes, it was added in version 147 this January.

agotterer 5mo ago

I used Vivaldi for many years and was a huge advocate. The problem for me was the browser got too bloated and buggy. They kept adding functionality that for me wasn’t necessary. For example: built in Proton VPN support, calendars, email functionality, notes, a game arcade. I don’t want any of that bundled in my browser. I want my browser to be lite weight. I eventually switched to Edge a few years ago because it was nice and lite. Now I’m seeing the same pattern play out as they add copilot, shopping, and rewards programs. What browser should I check out next? Some must haves: workspaces, vertical tabs, and chromium extension support.

voidfunc 5mo ago
Firefox?
anon7000 5mo ago
Firefox generally has a lot of the same extensions. I use Zen browser (the OSS “arc-style” Firefox-based browser) on personal devices and generally like it a lot. It replicates a lot of what Arc did
qbit42 5mo ago
I found replacements for the Chrome extensions I was using and switched to Zen, which builds off of Firefox and closely resembles Arc (RIP). It might not be the best security idea to rely on a relatively obscure browser like this, but I find it very pleasant to use.
sys_64738 5mo ago
Edge? You don't want the 'bloat' but you are OK with a browser siphoning all your info to M$ to be added to the borg entity.
sroux 5mo ago
+1 for Zen, its great
brandonkal 5mo ago
I was also a huge fan of Vivaldi. I’d recommend Helium or Orion (desktop only). People knock on Edge but it actually is a nice browser. When on a Windows box I don’t own I use it instead of Chrome. Edge has the best text-to-speech engine in reader mode which I reach for even on macOS on occasion. That’s the only reason I have it on macOS.

xtracto 5mo ago

Pure love from me to Vivaldi. The only browser that allows me to tile 3,4,5... pages in the same view. Or to group pages into "stacks" or many other small but useful perks.

miroljub 5mo ago

Why should I use it instead of, for example, Brave?

daniel_iversen 5mo ago
I’d love to know that as well. Long time Brave user that was curious about Vivaldi a long time ago and can’t remember why I went in the other direction. I want privacy and battery life on macOS

brandonkal 5mo ago

Great job on the design refresh! I was a heavy Vivaldi user and especially liked the integrated tiling and tab grouping. But over time it got more and more bloated and performance suffered so now I just use vanilla Safari (didn’t expect that) for most browsing plus Helium when I need to test in Chromium. I use Aerospace for tiling everything now but it breaks Safari scrolling performance so when that becomes annoying I force the Safari window to floating mode.

RandomGerm4n 5mo ago

No, thanks. Vivaldi is proprietary software and therefore not trustworthy. Since the source code isn't fully available, there's no way to verify whether an update might secretly add a feature that collects data. Since the source code isn't fully available and you can't compile it yourself, there's no way to prevent a feature that collects data from being secretly added during an update. The reasoning behind why it isn't open source is also complete nonsense. Just because it's easy to create a fork doesn't change the fact that most users will stick with the original as long as the fork doesn't offer significant improvements. With Firefox, people aren't flocking to the existing forks either.

butz 5mo ago

It is always good to have more than one browser.

startpage_com 5mo ago

Is mouse support in Vivaldi still broken?

alentred 5mo ago
I have no idea what this is about, but this comment sounds like it was posted from the 90s. Do we also need to compile an extension to support playing *.wav files in it? Sorry, couldn't resist... :)
- startpage_com 5mo ago
  I believe MiddleClickAutoscroll was broken in last "stable" GNU/Linux version. I can check once I'm on my laptop.
  - startpage_com 5mo ago
    https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/102072/no-autoscroll-on-middle-mouse-button https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/102072/no-autoscroll-on-midd... The proposed solution didn't work by the way. I uninstalled right there.

gosukiwi 5mo ago

Another Chrome skin

bityard 5mo ago

Well, fuck. One of the main reasons I switched to Vivaldi a few years ago was that it allowed and even advertised a "classic" browser experience. By which I mean: tabs that behaved like tabs, visual separation, not a lot of useless whitespace and corner-radius-maxxed borders everywhere. Looks like that's all gone now and Vivaldi is just yet another generic "flat design" browser. Time to look for something else...

iza 5mo ago
The old look is still available. Settings > Themes > Editor > Coloring Mode You can also adjust density, rounded corners, transparency, blur, etc.

encom 5mo ago

>our biggest design overhaul, ever >A new look for a new era Oh god no, just STOP. It's fine the way it is! I dread these headlines from any software project, because it's always worse. Always - and I have to spend time trying restore things back to how it was. Why do software developers do this?

F3nd0 5mo ago
What else are they supposed to do, when the new eras just keep coming every other year?

noisy_boy 5mo ago

I use Vivaldi because of its Workspaces which have so much better UX than tab groups. I don't need to see my Social or my Tech tab group until I'm switching for it; Firefox shows them all the time - atleast I haven't found a way to hide them and associated tabs until I need them without having to launch a new window. In Vivaldi, they are ready to use immediately upon switching while keeping everything in the same window keeping my taskbar clean. All this while not making my CPU fans run like a jet engine. I would rather have this experience with Firefox but they are probably more busy focusing on email, vpn and whatever the flavor of the month is.

toddmorey 5mo ago
It’s my daily browser. Small glitches occasionally and can lag chrome releases, but the best absolute non-adware browser with powerful features. I have it configured to be ultra minimal with the look of Arc that I loved.

dherikb 5mo ago

I mainly use Vivaldi because it has the best vertical tabs experience among the browsers.

ofalkaed 5mo ago

I switched to Vivaldi years ago because I got sick of dealing with extensions; an update broke a few of my long relied on extensions and a search for alternatives showed hundreds of options. A few hours into my search for replacements I found a post somewhere by someone in a similar situation, one of the responses was "just install Vivaldi" and I did. In all the years since they have not made one change that has caused me grief or affected my use in the slightest, never have had to learn new features or adjust the way I work, I just get a new icon in the sidebar on occasion which I can ignore until I get curious or get sick of seeing it and remove it.

efilife 5mo ago

LLM generated slop. > This isn’t about making the browser look simpler. It’s about making the structure behind it more coherent. This makes everything you see feel like part of the same system. then the unicode decorations

BrenBarn 5mo ago

> Vivaldi 8.0: our biggest design overhaul, ever > If you have been using Vivaldi for years, you have your setup exactly as you want it and you would not trade it for anything. The thing so many software makers seem to not understand is that if I have been using something for years and have my setup exactly as I want it, then I do not want any overhauls.

self_awareness 5mo ago
True, but long term users often do not understand that if a project that is expected to make money doesn't try to acquire new userbase, it stops being relevant fast.
- BrenBarn 5mo ago
  The big-picture view of what you're saying is "anything that does not expand dies", and I think that is a fundamental problem with the way our society works. It should be possible to succeed by just remaining stable.
  - self_awareness 5mo ago
    It's not always about expansion but sometimes can be just about rotation. People lose interest, people change, people die. Software is a reflection of user problems, and users are alive, therefore software must adapt. Software from 1960s can't solve problems of people from 2020s, even if the concept is the same, the binary format is different - OSes are different today. The same solutions had to be adapted to new environment just because the environment has changed. If we'll stop trying to find new users and we'll only try to retain old ones, we automatically have a declining userbase. This is not healthy for any software project, any country, any group.

AuthAuth 5mo ago

I want to like another browser than Firefox but none of the other browsers present any interesting features and all come with web destroying downsides.

dankwizard 5mo ago

I would like to use Vivaldi but from my understanding they harvest just as much user data as Chrome. I'll stick to Brave for now.

longnighthn 5mo ago

the largest plorblem preventing me choose vivaldi as all platforms browser, is that its mobile version , still don't support add browser extension, and they seem won't add this feature in future.

meixger 5mo ago

There are some very annoying bugs or quirks unfixed since years. I tried very hard to like Vivaldi, but it is impossible to use it as a web developer. "If DevTools in focus not possible to switch to another browser tab with CTRL+TAB" or "Text input loosing focus after switching tabs" are some examples.

sharts 5mo ago

I wonder if they have a way to sync profiles, extensions, history, etc across devices + mobile without needing to create an account. Similar to what brave does. Oh well

tau255 5mo ago

Vivaldi was only an option until Google removed any real way to run adblocking extensions from Chromium source. If there was a fork of Chromium allowing Ublock Origin to run it could be considered but as it is now there is no real point to consider Vivaldi or any other Chromium based browsers if you want real ad blocking. Used Vivaldi and it was always slower and more clunkier than Chrome/Chromium but it had its advantages. The team behind it was old Opera team and tried/tries to bring that feel back to the browser with some success. I had been user of old Presto based Opera, the Blink version wasn't really what I looked for and the change of ownership was really questionable.