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Mistral AI acquires Emmi AI
- bradley13 5mo agoI'm glad Mistral is doing well, but... I am so tired of M&A. Buy instead of competing or - heaven forfend - cooperating.
- smt88 5mo agoThe reason we have so much M&A is that large companies can’t really innovate, especially when they’re publicly traded and have shareholders who hate risk-taking
- MeteorMarc 5mo agoNice, also note that ASML is a big investor in Mistral AI, which made the industrial AI ambitions already more credible. https://www.asml.com/en/news/press-releases/2025/asml-mistral-ai-enter-strategic-partnership https://www.asml.com/en/news/press-releases/2025/asml-mistra...
- pm90 5mo agocan you explain how it makes it more credible? is the assertion that asml is using mistral as part of its research/manufacturing?
- spiderfarmer 5mo agoASML knows like no other the importance of doing research in secrecy.
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- SyneRyder 5mo agoFrom the link: "...a long-term collaboration agreement to explore the use of AI models across ASML’s product portfolio as well as research, development and operations..." ASML is one of the clients Mistral keeps referencing, for example here: https://mistral.ai/news/forge https://mistral.ai/news/forge But it isn't clear exactly what they've been doing together. The Forge page only mentions they "train models on the proprietary data that powers their most complex systems and future-defining technologies."
- john_strinlai 5mo agothe assertion is that the people at asml are likely in a good position to assess ai use in complex industry
- mtct88 5mo agoASML is one of the bigger investor of Mistral https://mistral.ai/news/mistral-ai-raises-1-7-b-to-accelerate-technological-progress-with-ai https://mistral.ai/news/mistral-ai-raises-1-7-b-to-accelerat...
- yieldcrv 5mo agoIt doesn’t ASML’s EUV money printer has nothing to do with their ability to deploy that money in illiquid investments instead of to their own shareholders ASML buying equity in one company in tangentially related industry (just because they’re in Europe and the pickings are slim in both offerings and growth capital) has nothing to do with any synergy or integration with ASML’s utility (and bottleneck) to the chip supply chain remember when you were studying for standardized tests as a teenager? this is what the high scoring answer would be
- kergonath 5mo agoASML is the flashy, public-facing partner. Mistral is also working with the French government and defense industry for applications that are unlikely to be publicly announced, but are bound to bring in much more money.
- sravanipuuta 5mo agoThe European-sovereignty angle is what makes Mistral's strategy harder to read from the outside. If a meaningful share of revenue comes from EU government and defense contracts, the public benchmarks against OpenAI/Anthropic stop being the right scoreboard — they're optimizing for different procurement rules and a different definition of "trustworthy." Curious if anyone has visibility into how those contracts are structured: per-seat, on-prem, or something closer to hosted with sovereign keys?
- snowpid 5mo agoI'd like to add that we have publicly the procurement from the US government for the US models. And I also guess the Chinese government uses their model providers as well. So I wouldnt see so strange anymore.
- kergonath 5mo agoI don’t know much about the really secret stuff, but Mistral is known to help customers build their own infrastructure to deploy their models and handle confidential data securely. They are also building data centers for their own cloud. It’s difficult to have a clear picture, in most cases we know about the partnership without having all the details (e.g. with ASML, CMA-CGM, or HSBC, or even worse with government or EU institutions).
- deaux 5mo ago> Don't post generated comments or AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans.
- dainank 5mo agoMistral AI and the Luxembourgish government also have a strategic partnership: https://gouvernement.lu/en/gouvernement/stephanie-obertin/actualites.gouvernement2024%2Ben%2Bactualites%2Btoutes_actualites%2Bcommuniques%2B2025%2B06-juin%2B17-frieden-mistral-ai.html https://gouvernement.lu/en/gouvernement/stephanie-obertin/ac...
- SilverElfin 5mo agoI was skeptical when I saw the headline. And I still am. But AI for manufacturing and industry seems like a good way to differentiate and focus on a vertical that others are ignoring. What I am curious about is what has Emmi actually built? Who uses it? I was hoping to see something like a demo on the website but couldn’t find anything concrete.
- ChemSpider 5mo ago"Early 2025: First enterprise contracts secured" "Today: Powering Fortune 500 engineering teams" - I guess that is all that is publicly available for now.
- KeplerBoy 5mo agoThey seem to be doing let's say case studies on how AI based simulations can help industry. They did injection molding for example, and I'm sure they're testing similar approach to everything which can be modeled by PDEs, which is well pretty much everything ever of engineering interest (I'm assuming this is somehow connected to a research project funded by Engel, one of the leading injection molding machine companies, located in the same Region): https://www.emmi.ai/models/neuralmould https://www.emmi.ai/models/neuralmould
- I_am_tiberius 5mo agoI assume it's more a talent acquisition as the company only exists for 18 months or so and you can't acquire enterprise customers that quickly, not even as an AI vendor.
- mediaman 5mo agoThey built a transformer-based mold flow simulator. Mold flow analysis is used in injection molding to predict whether and how the plastic will fill a cavity. It's helpful to make sure the mold will actually be able to fill, and to try to engineer lighter weight or different geometry. Mold flow simulators already exist, but they're slow. So if you're a mold engineer, and you want to try different material properties, each run takes time. By making this into a transformer (no idea what that model looks like) it can run pretty fast, because it's not mathematically solving it, it's running a learned function approximator. So for the mold engineer, suddenly they can just change values around and get pretty fast analysis. They appear to not be selling it as a product per se, but partnered with a German company called Simcon to sell it, whose website lists it as a preview, so it's unclear how good it is compared to conventional simulations.
- ChemSpider 5mo agoBuilt what you want to use yourself. AI for engineering and physics sounds like the perfect product a company like ASML (Mistral investor) could use.
- aborsy 5mo agoIt’s interesting that a French company can compete at international level to some extent, given the regulations, labor laws and generally the business unfriendly environment. I suspect they capitalize on the preference of European governments to use EU products, but might be wrong.
- maelito 5mo agoThis comment is ridiculous. France's economy is bigger than 90 % of "unregulated" countries. European regulations help protect from USA's tech monopolies. French labor laws and social security and state-funded scientific schools helped build one of the most competent international AI scientist generation. All of europe got crushed by the US on the domain of internet. "Regulated" or not.
- linkregister 5mo agoIndeed, French labor laws and their downstream effects have pushed the most talented French researchers to US-based frontier labs, thus building one of the most competent cohorts of international AI scientists.
- olivermuty 5mo agoDo you really believe this? Lol Could you please elaborate what labour law drives the labour out of france?
- retinaros 5mo agoTaxation, admin hell, government involvement led by highly uncompetent unelected people that got to make decision on the sovereignty and future of Companies. The only chance for mistral is to escape the grasp of france and its low iq visionless political “elites” or else theyll endup like dailymotion. Building a company in france and europe is hell even mistral ceo said this a few days ago in front of french officials
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- xnx 5mo agoAbbreviated title leaves out key detail: "Mistral AI Acquires Emmi AI to Create the Leading AI Stack for Industrial Engineering"
- joegibbs 5mo agoThat’s more realistic, I was going to say…
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- reenorap 5mo agoIs Mistral still competitive? I completely forgot they existed because of how much press the Big 3 get (Google, Anthropic and OpenAI).
- lanthissa 5mo agomistral was never competitive and is getting less so, but that doesn't matter they cant be allowed to fail and have a long time to find their lane. They're smart and have an audience of like 600m people and the largest governments by spending who would use them if they were good enough.
- Barbing 5mo agoI wonder if they could’ve caught up to Qwen & Gemma by now by now distilling them? If their best cloud-run offering is far more intelligent than the laptop Gemma / Qwen than nevermind
- jazzyjackson 5mo agoI would speculate that the purpose is not just to have a domestically owned model that’s as good as the Chinese one, but for the investment to be used to build a domestic industry of people that know how to do it themselves, so as not to rely on foreign parties, so it doesn’t have to be better, just has to be good enough.
- Barbing 5mo agoI love this point
- sureMan6 5mo agoIf you're a European AI lab and you see you can't compete with the Amerikans on compute or spending, and the Chinese are open sourcing their LLM work and keeping the Amerikans honest, then there's no real need for you to focus on LLMs
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- cosmobiosis 5mo agoThta's amazing, Mistral is winning silently lol
- jjice 5mo agoHow so?
- atleastoptimal 5mo agoEurope won't be a leader in AI unless they get huge capital investment and datacenter build up. Sadly the regulatory environment of Europe combined with brain drain to America means it won't happen
- mejutoco 5mo agoEurope is slowly moving to put part of pensions in the stock market (like USA does). Right now people put it in sp500 so that sweet pension money in eu markets might be interesting to see.
- NookDavoos 5mo agoI can't imagine being an American approaching retirement with 45-50% of my pension portfolio in AI-related stocks (that's the current weight of AI companies on the SP500). Besides, when SpaceX/Openai/Anthropic go public, they'll get another hefty chunk.
- u8080 5mo agoIsn't sp500 mainly US companies with <10% EU ones?
- joelthelion 5mo agoI see it the other way around. In a few years, algorithmic and hardware improvements will likely make these huge datacenters mostly obsolete. Americans will get to enjoy their rusty infrastructure and polluted air, and Europe will have lean and clean infra to support just what's needed.
- Aldipower 5mo agoMeanwhile American AI is trained continuously on European data folks willingly gift to the big three AI companies.
- drstewart 5mo agoExactly. The same way the US is winning the EV / solar race - let China build obsolete factories that require way more investments that will be obsolete soon because of automation, then swoop in to build just what's needed and dominate. China will be left with scarred ugly landscapes while the US wins, as you'll no doubt agree
- shevy-java 5mo agoSkynet slop is growing.
- kriro 5mo agoIf I'm only thinking about non-programming business applications, anecdotally, Mistral is certainly a player in the European enterprise market. For most German companies I have interacted with, Mistral was the first point of contact regarding corporate AI rollout. For the "small potatoes" day to day minutia Copilot is probably the #1.
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