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Wondering if enterprises have a modified version of CC that doesnt have to optimize to stop bleeding on fixed cost subscription plans. The article really does

by Tsarp 5mo ago

Wondering if enterprises have a modified version of CC that doesnt have to optimize to stop bleeding on fixed cost subscription plans. The article really does not align with the current sentiment. Everyone with a choice has mostly moved on to codex (ofc in this world all it takes is a model update/harness update to turn things around). CC is great at a lot of things, but repeatedly misses out reading on crucial parts of the code base, hallucinates on the work that was done and a bunch of other issues.

Aeolun 5mo ago
You must be using a different CC. Or what they’re writing here is correct, and it’s all due to the CLAUDE.md file that I only occassionally yell at claude.
- Tsarp 5mo ago
  Hmm please share more. I have had the max CC sub since it came out. Religiously follow all of Boris/Cats advice but still struggle with it. Meanwhile a really badly written AGENTS.md will still get the work done.
  - zarzavat 5mo ago
    Apologies but what is a Boris Cat?
    - polotics 5mo ago
      Boris Cherny and Cat Wu are the lead devs of CC at Anthropic who unsurprisingly talk their book and find so many ways to justify tokenmaxing. As the product they deliver is greenfield and in the newest of domain spaces, there is a serious halo-effect to consider. On a side note, at a company I know the devs are split between Stick to Copilot inside visual studio - suspiciously cheap Opus quotas there + they read their code pi coding agent + control all the things my way - each their own way Claude Code + it's magic - you mean it did that to my prompt!
      - Kwpolska 5mo ago
        Copilot's extreme subsidies end this month. Starting in June, you'll be paying API rates for all models.
  - vasachi 5mo ago
    I find that most “techniques” are basically user hallucinations. Simple plan-write-refactor loops and trivial CLAUDE/AGENTS.md, generated by the harness itself, work nicely. Maaaaaaaaaybe write a skill or two, but usually it’s better to just write a script.
periodjet 5mo ago
> Everyone with a choice has mostly moved on to codex Ha!
SpicyLemonZest 5mo ago
I think it's a good rule of thumb that if you find yourself saying everyone prefers this model or that model you're in a bubble. I've made this mistake before, I used to go around saying everyone knew Claude was the only model for serious professional use, but I was wrong.
- sigmar 5mo ago
  I always assume that people making those comments on HN are trying to convince others to switch to their model. Surely no one actually believes their friend circle is a representative sample of the hundreds of millions of people that use these LLMs?
- viking123 5mo ago
  Anthropic has the best marketing for sure. Btw the guy in charge of that stuff for Anthropic is the same guy who said GPT 2 was too dangerous to release, Jack Clark. LMAO. That model could barely string a sentence together.
  - SpicyLemonZest 5mo ago
    It's probably not a coincidence that I both prefer Claude and think that they made the right judgment call on GPT-2 at the time.
Reebz 5mo ago
The influencer economy trades on hype, on frenzy, and ultimately, eyeballs. The more the better. They want you feel like you’re missing out. They want you to switch. Being boring is far more productive. Pin your versions. Stick to stable releases and avoid the nightlies. Significant noise created from 4.6 to 4.7 Opus transition has caused some to interpret this as signal. Excluding certain genuine and real bugs, the noise about perceived quality falling dramatically was noise. Influencers doing influencing turned it into “signal”. The reality was that if you had strong planning and spec driven development it ranged from manageable to non-existent. The vast majority of the people I know and work with have not switched off CC or their Max sub.
ghiculescu 5mo ago
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paustint 5mo ago
I have a choice and have not moved to codex (100/mo personal + my employer pays for a subscription). I try codex here and there and it seems to go off the rails every time. I have had some good experiences with codex, but generally trying to get something big accomplished it doesn't work out. But I may not have paid enough to get the full real experience with codex
- viking123 5mo ago
  I use codex at home 20 bucks a month the limits are very high relative to the price, maybe the gravy train ends soon for these and then it's probably to open router chinese models. At work it's CC or sometime codex, personally don't see much difference at all and most normies will notice none. The cultists have their opinions.
sho 5mo ago
> stop bleeding on fixed cost subscription plans What bleeding? Anthropic wants as much of that "bleeding" as possible. The interaction data gathered from genuine human CC subscription usage of their models goes directly into their RL training, it's invaluable and they are more than happy to lose money on the inference to get it. That data is what xAI was recently willing to pay $10b to cursor to get. They want you to use Claude Code. They hate other UI surfaces like OpenCode etc purely because they lose control over that data, so they're subsidizing the inference without getting what they actually want, the data (they still get some of it of course, but it's much less ergonomic for them. Those tools often abstract away the subagent calls, for example). OpenCode can collect that data themselves, so by allowing subscription there, Anthropic sees itself as subsidizing another org getting that data. Hard no. And tools like OpenClaw are useless because they're mechanical and don't represent actual users interacting with the service - again, subsidizing but not getting the reward. It's all very simple once you understand their motivations.
Analemma_ 5mo ago
> Everyone with a choice has mostly moved on to codex You are deep in an information bubble, mostly driven by hype-train influencers with magpie attention spans.

by Tsarp 5mo ago

Aeolun 5mo ago

You must be using a different CC. Or what they’re writing here is correct, and it’s all due to the CLAUDE.md file that I only occassionally yell at claude.

Tsarp 5mo ago
Hmm please share more. I have had the max CC sub since it came out. Religiously follow all of Boris/Cats advice but still struggle with it. Meanwhile a really badly written AGENTS.md will still get the work done.
- zarzavat 5mo ago
  Apologies but what is a Boris Cat?
  - polotics 5mo ago
    Boris Cherny and Cat Wu are the lead devs of CC at Anthropic who unsurprisingly talk their book and find so many ways to justify tokenmaxing. As the product they deliver is greenfield and in the newest of domain spaces, there is a serious halo-effect to consider. On a side note, at a company I know the devs are split between Stick to Copilot inside visual studio - suspiciously cheap Opus quotas there + they read their code pi coding agent + control all the things my way - each their own way Claude Code + it's magic - you mean it did that to my prompt!
    - Kwpolska 5mo ago
      Copilot's extreme subsidies end this month. Starting in June, you'll be paying API rates for all models.
- vasachi 5mo ago
  I find that most “techniques” are basically user hallucinations. Simple plan-write-refactor loops and trivial CLAUDE/AGENTS.md, generated by the harness itself, work nicely. Maaaaaaaaaybe write a skill or two, but usually it’s better to just write a script.

periodjet 5mo ago

> Everyone with a choice has mostly moved on to codex Ha!

SpicyLemonZest 5mo ago

I think it's a good rule of thumb that if you find yourself saying everyone prefers this model or that model you're in a bubble. I've made this mistake before, I used to go around saying everyone knew Claude was the only model for serious professional use, but I was wrong.

sigmar 5mo ago
I always assume that people making those comments on HN are trying to convince others to switch to their model. Surely no one actually believes their friend circle is a representative sample of the hundreds of millions of people that use these LLMs?
viking123 5mo ago
Anthropic has the best marketing for sure. Btw the guy in charge of that stuff for Anthropic is the same guy who said GPT 2 was too dangerous to release, Jack Clark. LMAO. That model could barely string a sentence together.
- SpicyLemonZest 5mo ago
  It's probably not a coincidence that I both prefer Claude and think that they made the right judgment call on GPT-2 at the time.

Reebz 5mo ago

The influencer economy trades on hype, on frenzy, and ultimately, eyeballs. The more the better. They want you feel like you’re missing out. They want you to switch. Being boring is far more productive. Pin your versions. Stick to stable releases and avoid the nightlies. Significant noise created from 4.6 to 4.7 Opus transition has caused some to interpret this as signal. Excluding certain genuine and real bugs, the noise about perceived quality falling dramatically was noise. Influencers doing influencing turned it into “signal”. The reality was that if you had strong planning and spec driven development it ranged from manageable to non-existent. The vast majority of the people I know and work with have not switched off CC or their Max sub.

ghiculescu 5mo ago

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paustint 5mo ago

I have a choice and have not moved to codex (100/mo personal + my employer pays for a subscription). I try codex here and there and it seems to go off the rails every time. I have had some good experiences with codex, but generally trying to get something big accomplished it doesn't work out. But I may not have paid enough to get the full real experience with codex

viking123 5mo ago
I use codex at home 20 bucks a month the limits are very high relative to the price, maybe the gravy train ends soon for these and then it's probably to open router chinese models. At work it's CC or sometime codex, personally don't see much difference at all and most normies will notice none. The cultists have their opinions.

sho 5mo ago

> stop bleeding on fixed cost subscription plans What bleeding? Anthropic wants as much of that "bleeding" as possible. The interaction data gathered from genuine human CC subscription usage of their models goes directly into their RL training, it's invaluable and they are more than happy to lose money on the inference to get it. That data is what xAI was recently willing to pay $10b to cursor to get. They want you to use Claude Code. They hate other UI surfaces like OpenCode etc purely because they lose control over that data, so they're subsidizing the inference without getting what they actually want, the data (they still get some of it of course, but it's much less ergonomic for them. Those tools often abstract away the subagent calls, for example). OpenCode can collect that data themselves, so by allowing subscription there, Anthropic sees itself as subsidizing another org getting that data. Hard no. And tools like OpenClaw are useless because they're mechanical and don't represent actual users interacting with the service - again, subsidizing but not getting the reward. It's all very simple once you understand their motivations.

Analemma_ 5mo ago

> Everyone with a choice has mostly moved on to codex You are deep in an information bubble, mostly driven by hype-train influencers with magpie attention spans.