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Trump 2 is worse than Trump 1 by far from EU perspective. And it also proved that it wasn't a once-off that Americans will vote in someone who threatens to dism
by patrickmcnamara 5mo ago
Trump 2 is worse than Trump 1 by far from EU perspective. And it also proved that it wasn't a once-off that Americans will vote in someone who threatens to dismantle NATO, invade Greenland, or start trade wars with allies for no reason.
- mrits 5mo agoFrom the a US perspective, EU hate each other and I see no way any temporary cohesiveness will last. Most EU countries are just as likely to elect a Trump in the next decade
- embedding-shape 5mo ago> EU hate each other What gave you the impression that EU members hate each other? It'd be a weird union if that was the case. Not saying it's not possible, I just haven't seen it myself, although I am a Swede so clearly I do hate the Danes and the Norrbaggar with passion, but it's love-hate, not hate-hate.
- rapnie 5mo agoLikely OP refers to individual countries and quarreling leaders often favoring national interests to what would be best for the union.
- embedding-shape 5mo ago> leaders often favoring national interests to what would be best for the union If we're talking about leaders for member states, then they're doing their job right :) They're not meant to figure out what's best for the union, we have separate elections for those people who go to EU and represent the country + care about the union. The national "leaders" of the country are quite expected to put national interests above what's best for the union :)
- jurgenburgen 5mo agoBecause of the convoluted way the EU works, those national leaders can have outsized power and even veto some decisions (Hungary, anyone?). The parliament needs to have more power if we want to make the EU more democratic.
- theICEBeardk 5mo agoWe love-hate you and the Norwegian Fjellaber as well, you Swedish drunkard. A Dane.
- GJim 5mo agoAs a Brit, I consider it my god given duty to take the piss out of the French; a duty I know is entirely mutual. Please don't however, consider this anything other than a slightly odd friendship.
- embedding-shape 5mo agoAh, as someone who live on the border to France, and every summer experience lost Frenchies asking for directions in French, when we're not in France, I agree :) Still, love em, let the weirdos eat their snails in peace and may we always be brothers and sisters <3
- palata 5mo ago> EU hate each other I see how it may look like this from the outside. But I think it would be like saying that siblings hate each other because you witnessed an argument. Most people in most EU countries consider the other EU countries as allies, even though they don't agree on everything. Now the fact that 27 countries argue means that they talk to each other. I think it's a lot less polarised than in the US. Or course there are extremes too.
- pjc50 5mo agoI have no idea how you'd measure it, but I suspect Republican states hate Democrat ones more than most European countries hate each other. Listen to the way they talk about California and New York.
- gmueckl 5mo agoThe EU needs to be more vigilant than ever, though. Russia has been trying to export their nationalistic totalitarianism to the EU for decades and now the US has openly declared a goal of exporting their brand of blind ignorant nationalism to the EU as well. Both influences will boost alt-right parties if successful. The obvious intended outcome for both powers is a EU that is breaking up from the inside. On the positive side, this shows that the EU has gained a level of international influence that is taken very seriously by other major powers. It's not 100% certain that it will survive this current wave of assaults, but if it does, it will be even stronger.
- j_maffe 5mo ago> Russia has been trying to export their nationalistic totalitarianism to the EU Let's not pretend that nationalism doesn't have deep roots in Europe.
- palata 5mo agoWell of course there is nationalism in Europe. The thing is, it weakens Europe. And nationalists outside of Europe are very happy to help them. Not only Russia: look at Elon Musk and his nazi salute and publicly endorsing neo-nazis in Germany...
- hvb2 5mo agoI don't think it's worse than Midwest vs the coasts or Republican vs Democrat. In the us these groups have just stopped talking to each other. The only time that happens is over Thanksgiving and that's when it stops for some of those conversations. At least in Europe the split is usually not within families... Are you referring to the time when the world Cup is going on? In that case, absolutely. We all turn into monkeys climbing onto our own rock lol
- crote 5mo agoIn the same way that the US hates itself, yes. How well do the various US states get along? Surely there is absolutely zero tension between, say, California and Alabama?
- rapnie 5mo agoLet's face it. Trump 2 is about dismantling democracy. The administration radiates hostility and aggression to anything democratic. In the new national security policy the EU is the adversary of the US. If that isn't a wake-up call.
- embedding-shape 5mo ago> Trump 2 is about dismantling democracy Seems strange to me that not everyone, including republicans, aren't aware of this, when he's pretty outspoken about not wanting any more elections, and how "if you vote for me this time, it'll be the last time you have to vote". If a presidential candidate anywhere else was openly talking about wanting to remove elections and democracy in the country (not to mention triggered an insurrection [?!]), I'm fairly sure they'd almost be automatically disqualified. Really strange situation all around.
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- frumplestlatz 5mo agoSources for those quotes would be very helpful for anyone interested in this, because I’ve certainly never heard this before. We’re two years into his term and democracy does not appear to be dismantled, or even remotely at risk of being dismantled. I also expect the same or similar accusations to be leveled at the next Republican candidate, who if elected, will also not “dismantle democracy”.
- Alacart 5mo agoHere is a video of him saying it: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bTm0du4kUH0 https://youtube.com/watch?v=bTm0du4kUH0
- frumplestlatz 5mo agoThanks for the context. He’s speaking to evangelical Christians that do not regularly vote, and in the context of instituting voter ID to secure future elections. ID is required to vote in most (all?) EU states.
- vga1 5mo agoAlso Trump 2 proves without a doubt that at least half of the american voters are absolutely insane or incredibly stupid. For 1 there used to be some doubt. We in Europe are enjoying roughly 15-20% insane/stupid ratings at this point, which is not great but still a bit better.
- rdiddly 5mo agoThis logic applies if you believe it was an honest and fair election.
- intended 5mo agoDoesn’t matter does it? If it wasn’t free of fair it still means the Trump team is the dominant team in America.
- rdiddly 5mo agoThe question wasn't which "team" (grow up!) is "dominant," it was whether the election result proves anything about the American public. It does if you think it was an honest and fair election. Simple as that.
- influx 5mo agoAnyone that doesn't agree with you politically is insane or stupid?