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"Wholesale population displacement, destruction of a significant percentage of civilian structures, bombings, raids, land and sea blockades," These are all thi

by hersko 5mo ago

"Wholesale population displacement, destruction of a significant percentage of civilian structures, bombings, raids, land and sea blockades," These are all things that happen during war. Explain why this war is different. All war is bad. I genuinely don't see how this is not a war but a genocide.

bhouston 5mo ago
> "Wholesale population displacement..." > These are all things that happen during war. You do realize that Israeli government officials openly talk about permanent relocation (expel, "voluntary migration", emigration, etc) of Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza all the time: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/smotrich-says-next-government-should-encourage-migration-of-palestinians-from-west-bank/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/smotrich-says-n... https://www.timesofisrael.com/occupy-expel-settle-minister-mks-at-far-right-rally-call-to-empty-gaza-of-gazans/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/occupy-expel-settle-minister-m... This woman was actually tasked with that job by Netanyahu: https://www.haaretz.com/gaza/2026-04-29/ty-article/.premium/source-netanyahu-adviser-led-push-for-voluntary-emigration-of-gazans/0000019d-d93a-d95a-afbd-f97a612a0000 https://www.haaretz.com/gaza/2026-04-29/ty-article/.premium/...
Supermancho 5mo ago
I have questions. What do you think are the definitions of genocide and war? (why are they different words) Do they overlap?
catlikesshrimp 5mo ago
You cathegorize that as genocide when it is directed at a very specific group. Like jews in WWII, now it is Palestinians in their own country.
- hersko 5mo ago
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  - catlikesshrimp 5mo ago
    https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition "Importantly, the victims of genocide are deliberately targeted - not randomly – because of their real or perceived membership of one of the four groups protected under the Convention (which excludes political groups, for example). This means that the target of destruction must be the group, as such, and not its members as individuals" In this case, the target includes Hamas members, but the target group is Palestinians. Israel recently passed a law to allow hanging of Palestinians when [conditions]
- george916a 5mo ago
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js8 5mo ago
You can think of genocide as a special case of a war, one where the party being genocided has no army or weapons to defend itself.
- unyttigfjelltol 5mo ago
  Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran— all of them have both an armed force and weapons to fight with. Hamas in particular, instigated the hot conflict that started Oct. 7 2023, and prolonged it through hostage-taking and active participation in armed conflict. All these Iran-backed forces are formally allied into an Axis of Resistance, and their main success so far has been to confuse people like you about who holds the moral and ethical high ground. The reason they sought to sow doubt and confusion is to isolate Israel so they can destroy the nation, the whole thing, as they continuously have campaigned to do for perhaps 70 years.
- hersko 5mo ago
  What do you mean no weapons to defend themselves? They have plenty of weapons...
  - js8 5mo ago
    No, Palestinians in Gaza hardly have food and shelter, let alone weapons. Maybe Hamas (which most Palestinians despise) had couple handguns they managed to smuggle in but that's useless against bombs, tanks and drones. Gaza has been under Israeli blockade for more than 2 decades now. Of course there is a resistance to that. It never had a regular army in any meaningful sense. Anyway, you're not really disproving my point. The original poster has already conceded that killing, even in war, is not humane. Genocide just happens to be a war where there are no effective combatants left on one of the sides, so what remains is killing of civilians.

by hersko 5mo ago

bhouston 5mo ago

> "Wholesale population displacement..." > These are all things that happen during war. You do realize that Israeli government officials openly talk about permanent relocation (expel, "voluntary migration", emigration, etc) of Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza all the time: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/smotrich-says-next-government-should-encourage-migration-of-palestinians-from-west-bank/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/smotrich-says-n... https://www.timesofisrael.com/occupy-expel-settle-minister-mks-at-far-right-rally-call-to-empty-gaza-of-gazans/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/occupy-expel-settle-minister-m... This woman was actually tasked with that job by Netanyahu: https://www.haaretz.com/gaza/2026-04-29/ty-article/.premium/source-netanyahu-adviser-led-push-for-voluntary-emigration-of-gazans/0000019d-d93a-d95a-afbd-f97a612a0000 https://www.haaretz.com/gaza/2026-04-29/ty-article/.premium/...

Supermancho 5mo ago

I have questions. What do you think are the definitions of genocide and war? (why are they different words) Do they overlap?

catlikesshrimp 5mo ago

You cathegorize that as genocide when it is directed at a very specific group. Like jews in WWII, now it is Palestinians in their own country.

hersko 5mo ago
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- catlikesshrimp 5mo ago
  https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition "Importantly, the victims of genocide are deliberately targeted - not randomly – because of their real or perceived membership of one of the four groups protected under the Convention (which excludes political groups, for example). This means that the target of destruction must be the group, as such, and not its members as individuals" In this case, the target includes Hamas members, but the target group is Palestinians. Israel recently passed a law to allow hanging of Palestinians when [conditions]
george916a 5mo ago
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js8 5mo ago

You can think of genocide as a special case of a war, one where the party being genocided has no army or weapons to defend itself.

unyttigfjelltol 5mo ago
Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran— all of them have both an armed force and weapons to fight with. Hamas in particular, instigated the hot conflict that started Oct. 7 2023, and prolonged it through hostage-taking and active participation in armed conflict. All these Iran-backed forces are formally allied into an Axis of Resistance, and their main success so far has been to confuse people like you about who holds the moral and ethical high ground. The reason they sought to sow doubt and confusion is to isolate Israel so they can destroy the nation, the whole thing, as they continuously have campaigned to do for perhaps 70 years.
hersko 5mo ago
What do you mean no weapons to defend themselves? They have plenty of weapons...
- js8 5mo ago
  No, Palestinians in Gaza hardly have food and shelter, let alone weapons. Maybe Hamas (which most Palestinians despise) had couple handguns they managed to smuggle in but that's useless against bombs, tanks and drones. Gaza has been under Israeli blockade for more than 2 decades now. Of course there is a resistance to that. It never had a regular army in any meaningful sense. Anyway, you're not really disproving my point. The original poster has already conceded that killing, even in war, is not humane. Genocide just happens to be a war where there are no effective combatants left on one of the sides, so what remains is killing of civilians.