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- SV_BubbleTime 5mo agoThat’s kind of just strawman with an origin story isn’t it?
- _diyar 5mo agoNo because the goomba is the average of two real opinions, and the strawman is a distortion/reduction of any opinion such that its easy to argue against.
- SV_BubbleTime 5mo agoAh, ok, so two real opinions made into a distortion. Right, I see how very dissimilar to an origin story of a strawman that is…
- nkingsy 5mo agoIf I only had a brain...
- tadfisher 5mo agoMore like a superposition of two opinions.
- Cthulhu_ 5mo agoSchrodinger's Goomba?
- wuliwong 5mo agoI think the Goomba is distinct. Strawman is disingenuously representing an argument, Goomba is assuming contradictions are coming from the same person, presumably b/c it's coming to the Goomba through the same app.
- Jensson 5mo ago> Goomba is assuming contradictions are coming from the same person, presumably b/c it's coming to the Goomba through the same app. Its because it comes from the same political faction. In general people are open about A when A seems palatable, and openly B when B seems palatable, but they almost never admit to do that when its obviously wrong to do so. That is the rational part of the fallacy, even if these are different sets of people you can still tell they are biased since they never appear in the threads where its obvious they are in the wrong. For example, lets say in a thread where a white cop shoots a black guy you find a lot of republicans say "this is just statistics, nothing to see here". Then in another thread where a black cop shoots a white guy republicans pour in and argue this must be racism and we should investigate! Maybe it isn't the same set of people, but its still a strong sign of problematic bias that they only choose to speak up in those particular threads and not the others. Every political side everywhere does this, and that is why people started calling that out.
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- SpicyLemonZest 5mo agoIs it true that they don't appear in the threads where you feel it's obvious they're in the wrong? Or do they just get upvoted less in those threads so you don't see it when they do appear?
- jmalicki 5mo agoIt's almost as if factions are made up of different people with different opinions in a loose alliance. But nah, clearly they're all goombas.
- mothballed 5mo agoThis is exactly it. You see it on HN all the time. You will debate someone. Then deep in thread, a second person appears with a gotcha. when you point out that the gotcha doesn't fit in with the prior argument, they point out that was a separate person. They knew damn well what they're doing with their little conniving deflection fuck-fuck game. They're acting for the same surrogate argument. The Goomba is real and the people playing the game are just too cowardly to be two-faced themselves so they act two-faced through a surrogate and deflect to the surrogate when it's pointed out.
- scarecrowbob 5mo agoOn some level, yes, but having words to describe sub-sets can be useful too. A "human" is just a "featherless biped", after all? I think the Goomba Fallacy captures something helpful to me- it's helpful to know the origin of a straw man if you want to un-stuff one.
- bluefirebrand 5mo agoI know this is off topic but I cannot resist. It's very funny to read a comment about un-stuffing a straw man written by "scarecrowbob" Gave me a good laugh, thank you. :)
- knollimar 5mo agoI learned here like a week ago so I'm here to evangelize.
- pydry 5mo agoThis was a perfect example.
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- robocat 5mo agoThe collective smarts on the Internet can't come up with a better name that might help our brains tag the concept? Although at least it has some cross-cultural references. Why is naming so hard.
- PakG1 5mo agoMemes help things to become popular. I guess the question would be how popular would it have been without the meme name? We'll never know.
- nemomarx 5mo agoWeirdly, the meme wasn't a goomba originally. The goomba edit just got way more popular?
- kevinmgranger 5mo agoOr the alternative explanation: there simply is no better name for it