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So interestingly, I know of at least one application in a charity that deals with trafficking where grok was happy to do one-shot classification tasks where all

by sudb 5mo ago

So interestingly, I know of at least one application in a charity that deals with trafficking where grok was happy to do one-shot classification tasks where all other models refused to cooperate. I think there's a surprising number of actually useful applications in this sort of grey area for a slightly-less guardrailed, near-frontier model (also the grok-fast models are cheap!).

2ndorderthought 5mo ago
There are lots of uncensored models out there. I don't think grok is leading in that front. They kind of pick and choose which things they want to support based on elons world views. Elon used to hang out with sex traffickers so of course grok is fine talking about it. Probably even offers strategies for them does free accounting has money laundering strategies etc...
- spiderfarmer 5mo ago
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  - user34283 5mo ago
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    - 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
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      - user34283 5mo ago
        On Artifical Analysis it shows only Kimi K2.6 and Mimo V2.5 Pro as better. Those models are 1T parameters total and 30B or 40B active, this might make abliteration impractical. About Musk, yes, there is correspondence. The only confirmed meeting appears to be a 30 minute visit at Epstein's house together with Musk's wife at the time. As for photos you mention, a quick search tells me there is one photo of Musk and Maxwell at a 2014 Vanity Fair Oscar Party. I find most commentary on here and other platform like Reddit extremely exaggerated compared to what is actually confirmed. Users seem hellbent on linking Musk to pedophilia-related allegations.
        2ndorderthought 5mo ago
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        mapontosevenths 5mo ago
        Elon publicaly claimed he had never corresponded with Epstein. that was a lie. When the documents were released they found several like thie one below. Saying things like "What day/night will be the wildest party on =our island?" [0] The "our" part is especially interesting as it implies he didnt just visit, but had an ownership stake. Other emails were found with Epstein making excuses to avoid having Musk visit, and Musks own child publically stated that the emails were authentic and aligned with her memory of the events. [1] [0] https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01762434.pdf https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01762... [1] https://www.threads.com/@vivllainous/post/DUMBh2Vkk8D?xmt=AQF0thOrQWJSowSvUQ4S-gE8dZlud7TNIx7hFfil6Sn9HQ https://www.threads.com/@vivllainous/post/DUMBh2Vkk8D?xmt=AQ...
        user34283 5mo ago
        My searches have not turned up a result showing that Musk "claimed he had never corresponded with Epstein". Can you source this? If not, can you explain why you did not check it before you posted the inaccurate claim?
        mikeyouse 5mo ago
        At minimum Musk repeatedly claimed that Epstein was the one reaching out trying to get Musk to visit his island, when in reality Musk was the one initiating and asking which nights would be the wildest parties. And after making plans to visit with his then-wife, when Epstein warned him that the ratio of women-to-men might upset Musk’s wife, Musk told Epstein it wouldn’t be a problem. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/30/elon-musk-epstein-files-island-visits https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/30/elon-musk... Musk has a long history of accusations (see the “I’ll buy you a horse” SpaceX lawsuit) as well as having fathered numerous children with women ~25 years younger than himself so not sure why you’d want to die on this particular hill.
      - gadders 5mo ago
        So did Bill Gates and Reid Hoffman.
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        sumeno 5mo ago
        Yes, lots of billionaires were involved with the pedophile sex trafficker. They are all bad
        Der_Einzige 5mo ago
        Elon, bill, Reid and Trump should share a prison cell. Democrats have no loyalty to their own sex offenders. Look how we treated the California governed candidate, or Anthony weiner, or literally every other sex pest found in our party. Some of them who didn’t even deserve it get canceled like Al Franklin. Diddling and then defending it and doubling down is literally a maga problem.
        gadders 5mo ago
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        felixgallo 5mo ago
        someone stole Biden's daughter's diary, which revealed that she had battled a substance abuse problem in the past, and that's disqualifying to Biden exactly how?
        gadders 5mo ago
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        KaiserPro 5mo ago
        > Ashley Biden diaries Unless they contain allegations about Biden the president, or indeed other people then they are irellevent no? The point is, if someone is breaking the law, they should be in jail. This applies to Clinton, Biden, Trump, anyone. The point is the law is meant to be without fear or favour. The problem for us is that its been proven if you pour enough shit on the floor, you can get away with raping children. Given the whole point of Qanon was to oust the peadophile ring in washington, its a bit sad that we are now supposed to disregard all that and blindly accept billionarse not seeing justice.
      - derangedHorse 5mo ago
        > so of course grok is fine talking about it. Probably even offers strategies for them does free accounting has money laundering strategies etc... The slander comes in when you assume Elon knew and was complicit with their crimes to the point he'd intentionally normalize it as a discussion topic in Grok. You even went so far as to say it's willing to assist in committing crimes.
        2ndorderthought 5mo ago
        He is aware of the csam generation. He blamed the users and the official stance from his team was not to offer any fixes. That is the last I heard. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-for-grok-generated-csam-no-fixes-announced/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-f... I do not see the slander. These are his viewpoints. He says him, grok, and his team aren't responsible for what users do. Other companies, countries and people feel differently about the responsibility for AI models generating csam for money. Grok and xais depictions of it are that it isn't woke and is maximally based and is politically incorrect by design. So yes, chosing to avoid being correct about policies like laws and avoid social norms lead me to believe that the generation of hate speech(some of which was illegal in certain localities), csam, etc are an expected outcome. Like Elon musk said, it's the users fault not groks. So I would not be surprised if it offered other illegal advice or helped criminals forward criminal activities. Especially more than has already been reported. Here are some of the crimes that grok is being implicated in as far as I know today: https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2026/03/03/number-of-garda-investigations-into-grok-ai-images-rises-to-244/ https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2026/03/03/number-of-ga... https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20251121-france-to-investigate-musk-s-grok-chatbot-after-holocaust-denial-claims https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20251121-france-to-invest... https://www.robertkinglawfirm.com/mass-torts/grok-lawsuit/ https://www.robertkinglawfirm.com/mass-torts/grok-lawsuit/ https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/grok-maker-xai-faces-non-consensual-sexual-deepfake-class-suit https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/grok-maker-xai-face... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/musk-testifies-xai-trained-grok-on-openai-s-models-raising-legal-firestorm/ar-AA22aKWj https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/musk-testifies-xai... Among others. I don't see that as slanderous. I see it as factual and an expected outcome for the stated goals of the product and the responses to the outcomes of the product itself by the company and its leadership. I legitimately do expect there to be more lawsuits and possibly criminal persecution against musk, xai, over grok and no I would not be surprised if the tool is currently being used for more crime. Especially given the response to the sexual crime allegations that have been made. I don't think Elon personally intends to normalize this. But I think that may happen anyways because I think the response was too soft. Yes I do think grok can be used to aid crimes and criminal activity like the many lawsuits and journalists currently suggest. I don't think grok is "willing" it's not a person. I know it currently has been implicated in generating material leading to the arrests of individuals. Which I would be very surprised if that was legal. https://factually.co/fact-checks/technology/grok-created-illegal-content-arrests-2f9467 https://factually.co/fact-checks/technology/grok-created-ill...
    - margalabargala 5mo ago
      You keep using that word, "slander". I do not think it means what you think it means.
- 1123581321 5mo ago
  What are the leading uncensored models? How well do they perform for you?
  - 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
    I don't use any but they do exist and there are scientific papers discussing them. I heard about them through r/localllama
- Scroll_Swe 5mo ago
  >There are lots of uncensored models out there. Like what? Something as easy where normal people can login to a website and app and just use?
  - 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
    I don't think companies are hosting them because imagine the liability. Could be wrong though. Again I don't know much about these things I just know they exist.
    - Scroll_Swe 5mo ago
      Yes that is my point. It is the dropbox comment all over again. "Well you can just self-host to get uncencored same as Grok without NAZI!! Elon Musk!!" Just like you can spin up an FTP to get your own Dropbox. Well... very few people are going to actually do that.
      - pixelmelt 5mo ago
        I've been working on my own misaligned model and grok is definitely different enough with a syspronpt compared to all the other frontier models that I've considered using it to generate synthetic training data, however it leans really heavy into LLMisms which makes it not really worth it. Tangentially I also really like the idea of llms as librarians they are trying out with grokapedia.
  - CJefferson 5mo ago
    Deepseek is fairly uncensored. I tried pushing it and reached my limits before it did.
    - RKearney 5mo ago
      Is this satire? Ask it about June 4 1989, Taiwan independence, or Winnie the Pooh.
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cameronh90 5mo ago
Gemini especially has a habit of blocking my pretty mundane requests, claiming they’re attempts to jailbreak or create malicious code. Grok also does quite well at code reviews in my experience because it’s not so aggressively ”aligned”.
- kitsune1 5mo ago
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tomp 5mo ago
I couldn't get Gemini nor ChatGPT to do OCR of children's books (I literally own the books, so there's no copyright issue - all just fair use!). The OCR was complex enough (bad quality photos) that "simple" OCR models couldn't do it. Fortunately, Claude obliged (as well as Mistral OCR was helpful!)
vorticalbox 5mo ago
I am software dev and i was doing a security check on my own application (work) I was running in localhost and gave it access to the code. every single model refused to attempt to run any sort of test to check if it was a n issue other than grok.
- dmix 5mo ago
  You couldn't even ask Claude how CopyFail worked. Even more general questions around it kept getting rejected.
- nico 5mo ago
  A couple of days ago, using codex at work, all of a sudden it said my session had been flagged for security reasons. I wasn’t doing anything cybersecurity related, nor testing any vulnerabilities or anything like that, just trying to build a pretty simple web app
  - tcoff91 5mo ago
    It seems really dumb for the models to not due security related things. What if I want it to do a security audit of my own software that I'm building?
    - vorticalbox 5mo ago
      codex will actually help you look but it will refuse to actually try and exploit it. it won't for example create a POC python script that you normally would use to prove the issue.

by sudb 5mo ago

2ndorderthought 5mo ago

There are lots of uncensored models out there. I don't think grok is leading in that front. They kind of pick and choose which things they want to support based on elons world views. Elon used to hang out with sex traffickers so of course grok is fine talking about it. Probably even offers strategies for them does free accounting has money laundering strategies etc...

spiderfarmer 5mo ago
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- user34283 5mo ago
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    - user34283 5mo ago
      On Artifical Analysis it shows only Kimi K2.6 and Mimo V2.5 Pro as better. Those models are 1T parameters total and 30B or 40B active, this might make abliteration impractical. About Musk, yes, there is correspondence. The only confirmed meeting appears to be a 30 minute visit at Epstein's house together with Musk's wife at the time. As for photos you mention, a quick search tells me there is one photo of Musk and Maxwell at a 2014 Vanity Fair Oscar Party. I find most commentary on here and other platform like Reddit extremely exaggerated compared to what is actually confirmed. Users seem hellbent on linking Musk to pedophilia-related allegations.
      - 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
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        mapontosevenths 5mo ago
        Elon publicaly claimed he had never corresponded with Epstein. that was a lie. When the documents were released they found several like thie one below. Saying things like "What day/night will be the wildest party on =our island?" [0] The "our" part is especially interesting as it implies he didnt just visit, but had an ownership stake. Other emails were found with Epstein making excuses to avoid having Musk visit, and Musks own child publically stated that the emails were authentic and aligned with her memory of the events. [1] [0] https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01762434.pdf https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01762... [1] https://www.threads.com/@vivllainous/post/DUMBh2Vkk8D?xmt=AQF0thOrQWJSowSvUQ4S-gE8dZlud7TNIx7hFfil6Sn9HQ https://www.threads.com/@vivllainous/post/DUMBh2Vkk8D?xmt=AQ...
        user34283 5mo ago
        My searches have not turned up a result showing that Musk "claimed he had never corresponded with Epstein". Can you source this? If not, can you explain why you did not check it before you posted the inaccurate claim?
        mikeyouse 5mo ago
        At minimum Musk repeatedly claimed that Epstein was the one reaching out trying to get Musk to visit his island, when in reality Musk was the one initiating and asking which nights would be the wildest parties. And after making plans to visit with his then-wife, when Epstein warned him that the ratio of women-to-men might upset Musk’s wife, Musk told Epstein it wouldn’t be a problem. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/30/elon-musk-epstein-files-island-visits https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/30/elon-musk... Musk has a long history of accusations (see the “I’ll buy you a horse” SpaceX lawsuit) as well as having fathered numerous children with women ~25 years younger than himself so not sure why you’d want to die on this particular hill.
    - gadders 5mo ago
      So did Bill Gates and Reid Hoffman.
      - deleted 5mo ago
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      - sumeno 5mo ago
        Yes, lots of billionaires were involved with the pedophile sex trafficker. They are all bad
      - Der_Einzige 5mo ago
        Elon, bill, Reid and Trump should share a prison cell. Democrats have no loyalty to their own sex offenders. Look how we treated the California governed candidate, or Anthony weiner, or literally every other sex pest found in our party. Some of them who didn’t even deserve it get canceled like Al Franklin. Diddling and then defending it and doubling down is literally a maga problem.
        gadders 5mo ago
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        felixgallo 5mo ago
        someone stole Biden's daughter's diary, which revealed that she had battled a substance abuse problem in the past, and that's disqualifying to Biden exactly how?
        gadders 5mo ago
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        KaiserPro 5mo ago
        > Ashley Biden diaries Unless they contain allegations about Biden the president, or indeed other people then they are irellevent no? The point is, if someone is breaking the law, they should be in jail. This applies to Clinton, Biden, Trump, anyone. The point is the law is meant to be without fear or favour. The problem for us is that its been proven if you pour enough shit on the floor, you can get away with raping children. Given the whole point of Qanon was to oust the peadophile ring in washington, its a bit sad that we are now supposed to disregard all that and blindly accept billionarse not seeing justice.
    - derangedHorse 5mo ago
      > so of course grok is fine talking about it. Probably even offers strategies for them does free accounting has money laundering strategies etc... The slander comes in when you assume Elon knew and was complicit with their crimes to the point he'd intentionally normalize it as a discussion topic in Grok. You even went so far as to say it's willing to assist in committing crimes.
      - 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
        He is aware of the csam generation. He blamed the users and the official stance from his team was not to offer any fixes. That is the last I heard. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-for-grok-generated-csam-no-fixes-announced/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-f... I do not see the slander. These are his viewpoints. He says him, grok, and his team aren't responsible for what users do. Other companies, countries and people feel differently about the responsibility for AI models generating csam for money. Grok and xais depictions of it are that it isn't woke and is maximally based and is politically incorrect by design. So yes, chosing to avoid being correct about policies like laws and avoid social norms lead me to believe that the generation of hate speech(some of which was illegal in certain localities), csam, etc are an expected outcome. Like Elon musk said, it's the users fault not groks. So I would not be surprised if it offered other illegal advice or helped criminals forward criminal activities. Especially more than has already been reported. Here are some of the crimes that grok is being implicated in as far as I know today: https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2026/03/03/number-of-garda-investigations-into-grok-ai-images-rises-to-244/ https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2026/03/03/number-of-ga... https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20251121-france-to-investigate-musk-s-grok-chatbot-after-holocaust-denial-claims https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20251121-france-to-invest... https://www.robertkinglawfirm.com/mass-torts/grok-lawsuit/ https://www.robertkinglawfirm.com/mass-torts/grok-lawsuit/ https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/grok-maker-xai-faces-non-consensual-sexual-deepfake-class-suit https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/grok-maker-xai-face... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/musk-testifies-xai-trained-grok-on-openai-s-models-raising-legal-firestorm/ar-AA22aKWj https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/musk-testifies-xai... Among others. I don't see that as slanderous. I see it as factual and an expected outcome for the stated goals of the product and the responses to the outcomes of the product itself by the company and its leadership. I legitimately do expect there to be more lawsuits and possibly criminal persecution against musk, xai, over grok and no I would not be surprised if the tool is currently being used for more crime. Especially given the response to the sexual crime allegations that have been made. I don't think Elon personally intends to normalize this. But I think that may happen anyways because I think the response was too soft. Yes I do think grok can be used to aid crimes and criminal activity like the many lawsuits and journalists currently suggest. I don't think grok is "willing" it's not a person. I know it currently has been implicated in generating material leading to the arrests of individuals. Which I would be very surprised if that was legal. https://factually.co/fact-checks/technology/grok-created-illegal-content-arrests-2f9467 https://factually.co/fact-checks/technology/grok-created-ill...
  - margalabargala 5mo ago
    You keep using that word, "slander". I do not think it means what you think it means.
1123581321 5mo ago
What are the leading uncensored models? How well do they perform for you?
- 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
  I don't use any but they do exist and there are scientific papers discussing them. I heard about them through r/localllama
Scroll_Swe 5mo ago
>There are lots of uncensored models out there. Like what? Something as easy where normal people can login to a website and app and just use?
- 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
  I don't think companies are hosting them because imagine the liability. Could be wrong though. Again I don't know much about these things I just know they exist.
  - Scroll_Swe 5mo ago
    Yes that is my point. It is the dropbox comment all over again. "Well you can just self-host to get uncencored same as Grok without NAZI!! Elon Musk!!" Just like you can spin up an FTP to get your own Dropbox. Well... very few people are going to actually do that.
    - pixelmelt 5mo ago
      I've been working on my own misaligned model and grok is definitely different enough with a syspronpt compared to all the other frontier models that I've considered using it to generate synthetic training data, however it leans really heavy into LLMisms which makes it not really worth it. Tangentially I also really like the idea of llms as librarians they are trying out with grokapedia.
- CJefferson 5mo ago
  Deepseek is fairly uncensored. I tried pushing it and reached my limits before it did.
  - RKearney 5mo ago
    Is this satire? Ask it about June 4 1989, Taiwan independence, or Winnie the Pooh.
    - 5mo ago

cameronh90 5mo ago

Gemini especially has a habit of blocking my pretty mundane requests, claiming they’re attempts to jailbreak or create malicious code. Grok also does quite well at code reviews in my experience because it’s not so aggressively ”aligned”.

kitsune1 5mo ago
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tomp 5mo ago

I couldn't get Gemini nor ChatGPT to do OCR of children's books (I literally own the books, so there's no copyright issue - all just fair use!). The OCR was complex enough (bad quality photos) that "simple" OCR models couldn't do it. Fortunately, Claude obliged (as well as Mistral OCR was helpful!)

vorticalbox 5mo ago

I am software dev and i was doing a security check on my own application (work) I was running in localhost and gave it access to the code. every single model refused to attempt to run any sort of test to check if it was a n issue other than grok.

dmix 5mo ago
You couldn't even ask Claude how CopyFail worked. Even more general questions around it kept getting rejected.
nico 5mo ago
A couple of days ago, using codex at work, all of a sudden it said my session had been flagged for security reasons. I wasn’t doing anything cybersecurity related, nor testing any vulnerabilities or anything like that, just trying to build a pretty simple web app
- tcoff91 5mo ago
  It seems really dumb for the models to not due security related things. What if I want it to do a security audit of my own software that I'm building?
  - vorticalbox 5mo ago
    codex will actually help you look but it will refuse to actually try and exploit it. it won't for example create a POC python script that you normally would use to prove the issue.