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The Neo as well, I just need a Mac to test with and finding one is ridiculous. Hackintoshes are hell to setup and run like crap. I tried https://www.macincloud.

The Neo as well, I just need a Mac to test with and finding one is ridiculous. Hackintoshes are hell to setup and run like crap. I tried https://www.macincloud.com/ https://www.macincloud.com/ and that was a waste of time. Someone take my money.

morphle 6mo ago
If you send me an email I might have a machine or MacOS VM on that machine you can use.
- bottlepalm 6mo ago
  Thanks for the offer, think I'm gonna go the eBay route.
hurricanepootis 6mo ago
I remember 4 years ago I was able to setup MacOS in a virtual machine. Maybe you can setup an Intel copy of MacOS on a qemu/kvm virtual machine?
- bottlepalm 6mo ago
  I tried this, https://oneclick-macos-simple-kvm.notaperson535.is-a.dev/ https://oneclick-macos-simple-kvm.notaperson535.is-a.dev/, it wasn't bad for 'one click install' and got the VM running, it was just unusably slow and burning up my machine. Seems like I need graphics acceleration in the VM which doesn't work on my Ryzen GPU - QEMU running on Windows, and I don't want to deal with dual booting. Literally would rather buy a Mac (if I could).
- mitjam 6mo ago
  You need Mac hardware for this but I run a MacOS VM on Parallels, not connected to my iCloud account. I think it’s nice for OpenClaw and CI.
montebicyclelo 6mo ago
Ever considered second hand slightly older gens? Even M1 is still great for many use cases. E.g. often corps are selling them on Ebay, in pretty good condition.
- morphle 6mo ago
  Indeed, ton's of refurbished for $250-$300
  - bottlepalm 6mo ago
    Yea it does look like 5 year old M1's are going for $300 on eBay, but man that's painful a 5 year old machine for that much when you could get a new Neo or Mini for $600, if only you could buy them. I probably should just get the M1, test and sell it back on eBay. Thanks.
    - yreg 6mo ago
      Neo isn't much better than M1.
      - kalleboo 6mo ago
        M1 is even better in some ways, like it has Thunderbolt ports (plural even!).
      - wang_li 6mo ago
        In my personal experience, 13” M1 MacBook Air, 15” M4 Macbook Air, M4 Pro Mac Mini, and MacBook Neo, the Neo is the fastest for single threaded and strictly CPU bound tasks. E.g. calculating 200x200, 1000 max iterations Mandelbrot fractals it does ~785 in ten seconds compared to ~760 on the M4s and somewhere in the 600s for the M1. Given its RAM size I’m not going to be spinning up VMs, but in terms of general purpose computing it’s more than adequate. And, out of the box, you get a word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, video editing, digital audio, web browser, and a bunch of other things. Xcode is free. This is easily a laptop you can buy and use for years in 90% of settings.
scboffspring 6mo ago
Not sure what happened to you with macincloud, but I used scaleway hosted Mac mini M1 a couple years ago for a self hosted CI server, and it was working very nicely.
- bottlepalm 6mo ago
  They don't really advertise that you can install nothing on the machine. It's super restricted.
  - ZiiS 6mo ago
    I think you can at $50/month
    - bottlepalm 6mo ago
      You're right! That pay as you go plan burned me, $30 to not install any software, but with the dedicated server I can, and I was able to successfully test my app, thanks! You saved me a lot of time and money!
dyauspitr 6mo ago
I don’t even think you can do hackintoshes anymore post Apple silicon right? I remember having one about 10 years ago and it was absolutely fantastic and ran really well. Wish we could do that now so I wouldn’t have to develop apps on my M3 MacBook Air, which constantly runs out of memory and is a huge pain.
- forsalebypwner 6mo ago
  You can for now, but in the very near future (macOS 27 I think?) Apple will completely drop support for Intel, and Hackintosh will be dead
Reviving1514 6mo ago
What issues did you have with macinacloud? In was considering using that to build and sign some dmgs and test my app and would love to know what your experience was like
- bottlepalm 6mo ago
  Ok, I actually tried MacinCloud again and had much better luck. Instead of the pay as you go plan which you need to spend $30 minimum on, I got the $60 dedicated server which allows me to install software, and in turn I was able to test my software without buying a Mac, yay!
  - Reviving1514 6mo ago
    Hah funny I ended up giving it a go and ended up having a lot of trouble - connection issues, display issues, etc. They tried rebooting the machine but no luck. Just bough a used mac today!

morphle 6mo ago

If you send me an email I might have a machine or MacOS VM on that machine you can use.

bottlepalm 6mo ago
Thanks for the offer, think I'm gonna go the eBay route.

hurricanepootis 6mo ago

I remember 4 years ago I was able to setup MacOS in a virtual machine. Maybe you can setup an Intel copy of MacOS on a qemu/kvm virtual machine?

bottlepalm 6mo ago
I tried this, https://oneclick-macos-simple-kvm.notaperson535.is-a.dev/ https://oneclick-macos-simple-kvm.notaperson535.is-a.dev/, it wasn't bad for 'one click install' and got the VM running, it was just unusably slow and burning up my machine. Seems like I need graphics acceleration in the VM which doesn't work on my Ryzen GPU - QEMU running on Windows, and I don't want to deal with dual booting. Literally would rather buy a Mac (if I could).
mitjam 6mo ago
You need Mac hardware for this but I run a MacOS VM on Parallels, not connected to my iCloud account. I think it’s nice for OpenClaw and CI.

montebicyclelo 6mo ago

Ever considered second hand slightly older gens? Even M1 is still great for many use cases. E.g. often corps are selling them on Ebay, in pretty good condition.

morphle 6mo ago
Indeed, ton's of refurbished for $250-$300
- bottlepalm 6mo ago
  Yea it does look like 5 year old M1's are going for $300 on eBay, but man that's painful a 5 year old machine for that much when you could get a new Neo or Mini for $600, if only you could buy them. I probably should just get the M1, test and sell it back on eBay. Thanks.
  - yreg 6mo ago
    Neo isn't much better than M1.
    - kalleboo 6mo ago
      M1 is even better in some ways, like it has Thunderbolt ports (plural even!).
    - wang_li 6mo ago
      In my personal experience, 13” M1 MacBook Air, 15” M4 Macbook Air, M4 Pro Mac Mini, and MacBook Neo, the Neo is the fastest for single threaded and strictly CPU bound tasks. E.g. calculating 200x200, 1000 max iterations Mandelbrot fractals it does ~785 in ten seconds compared to ~760 on the M4s and somewhere in the 600s for the M1. Given its RAM size I’m not going to be spinning up VMs, but in terms of general purpose computing it’s more than adequate. And, out of the box, you get a word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, video editing, digital audio, web browser, and a bunch of other things. Xcode is free. This is easily a laptop you can buy and use for years in 90% of settings.

scboffspring 6mo ago

Not sure what happened to you with macincloud, but I used scaleway hosted Mac mini M1 a couple years ago for a self hosted CI server, and it was working very nicely.

bottlepalm 6mo ago
They don't really advertise that you can install nothing on the machine. It's super restricted.
- ZiiS 6mo ago
  I think you can at $50/month
  - bottlepalm 6mo ago
    You're right! That pay as you go plan burned me, $30 to not install any software, but with the dedicated server I can, and I was able to successfully test my app, thanks! You saved me a lot of time and money!

dyauspitr 6mo ago

I don’t even think you can do hackintoshes anymore post Apple silicon right? I remember having one about 10 years ago and it was absolutely fantastic and ran really well. Wish we could do that now so I wouldn’t have to develop apps on my M3 MacBook Air, which constantly runs out of memory and is a huge pain.

forsalebypwner 6mo ago
You can for now, but in the very near future (macOS 27 I think?) Apple will completely drop support for Intel, and Hackintosh will be dead

Reviving1514 6mo ago

What issues did you have with macinacloud? In was considering using that to build and sign some dmgs and test my app and would love to know what your experience was like

bottlepalm 6mo ago
Ok, I actually tried MacinCloud again and had much better luck. Instead of the pay as you go plan which you need to spend $30 minimum on, I got the $60 dedicated server which allows me to install software, and in turn I was able to test my software without buying a Mac, yay!
- Reviving1514 6mo ago
  Hah funny I ended up giving it a go and ended up having a lot of trouble - connection issues, display issues, etc. They tried rebooting the machine but no luck. Just bough a used mac today!