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Surprisingly, the vote on limiting Switzerland's population to 10 million may actually pass. Usually votes for things that will hurt the economy don't come clos
by comrade1234 6mo ago
Surprisingly, the vote on limiting Switzerland's population to 10 million may actually pass. Usually votes for things that will hurt the economy don't come close to passing but right now the limit is a few percent ahead.
- sidewndr46 6mo agohow would that even work? mandatory contraception or something?
- ceejayoz 6mo agoImmigration and naturalization restrictions.
- esperent 6mo agoSo if they hit ten million do they start kicking people out for every native baby born?
- thefounder 6mo agoNo, they just stop accepting immigrants.
- crote 6mo agoSwitzerland's fertility rate has been below the replacement rate of 2.1 babies / woman since the 1970s. There is zero chance of births pushing it above the 10M count. If anything, immigration is the sole reason the Swiss aren't going extinct.
- nalaj 6mo ago[flagged]
- ryoshoe 6mo agoWhat counts as a Swiss person? Would children of immigrants growing up in Swiss society, going to Swiss schools, and speaking the national languages of Switzerland count?
- crote 6mo agoFollowing the same logic: everyone who isn't a Native American doesn't count as American. And how are you going to count someone with one Swiss parent and one immigrant parent? Three Swiss grandparents and one immigrant grandparent? What are you going to do about all those people in Genève who had a forefather move over from Annecy 5 generations ago? The fact that most Swiss people speak languages pretty damn close to German, French, and Italian should be a good indication that immigration does, in fact, create Swiss people.
- cybrox 6mo agoIt's just a buzzword to say limit immigration with rising population. I'll leave out my opinion on the topic but Switzerland has become noticeably more crowded in the last 20 years.
- sidewndr46 6mo agoI was surprised to learn that Switzerland's population is still that small.
- bakies 6mo agoYour opinion is showing
- cybrox 6mo agoI expected this comment to be made anyways, so I didn't even bother rephrasing. If it helps you, I don't support the initiative. Doesn't change the fact that rental property is scarse, public transport is full and children/teacher ratio is horrendous.
- fainpul 6mo agoThe birth rate in Switzerland (just as in many highly developed countries) is already way below 2.1 children per woman, which would be required to sustain the population. Any population growth comes from immigrants. Xenophobic people are scared by that.
- senordevnyc 6mo agoSorry, but it’s not xenophobic to care about your culture and not want it to shift too fast. The left’s inability to grasp this is part of why right populism has taken hold all over the world over the last decade.
- Gud 6mo agoI am an immigrant to Switzerland. Switzerland has undergone an enormous transformation in just a few decades due to immigration. You don’t have to be “xenophobic” to be sceptical of this massive change.
- comrade1234 6mo agoIf the population hits 10 million they would try to limit the freedom of movement agreement with the eu, which means they would lose free trade with the eu. Kind of like brexit.
- HPsquared 6mo ago"A good economy" means different things to different people. Expensive houses and low wages, vs appreciating assets and low labour costs.
- GeoAtreides 6mo ago>the vote on limiting Switzerland's population to 10 million google searches 10 minutes after it passes: what is EU guillotine clause
- peterfirefly 6mo agoSwitzerland has treaties with the EU. The EU would prefer a single treaty, Switzerland prefers lots of piecemeal treaties. Current political climate in Switzerland is a bit like Brexit before Brexit: lots of populist blathering about how the EU exploits Switzerland so there are lots of votes in being anti-EU and in demanding "fair" deals ("fair" always means "more for me, less for you"). These treaties are currently being renegotiated -- I think some of them technically expired but both sides pretend they are still valid during the negotiations. There are forces in Switzerland that would like to break one or more of the treaties and keep the others. The EU won't like that so we got guillotine clauses = if one treaty is no longer valid, none of them are valid, to prevent the Swiss from playing funny games. One of the Swiss complaints is fair: they provide roads for lots and lots of EU transit traffic.
- benhurmarcel 6mo ago> they provide roads for lots and lots of EU transit traffic Not for free though