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This was evident everywhere except within the AI industry itself. The rhetoric from many of the industry’s top leaders has been “this technology will eliminate

This was evident everywhere except within the AI industry itself. The rhetoric from many of the industry’s top leaders has been “this technology will eliminate millions of jobs, fundamentally reshape countless other jobs, and automate the use of lethal force, but we’re going to develop it anyways”. Many of the current economic woes, including mass layoffs, have been blamed on AI by the very executives conducting said layoffs. In addition, the major AI companies have shamelessly stole intellectual property to train their models and shoveled AI down everyone’s throats. Is it any wonder that the general public hates AI? The AI industry isn’t exactly doing its best to appear likable.

yoyohello13 5mo ago
I’m frankly more shocked that people in the industry are surprised the general public hates them. Like it’s been non-stop fear mongering and hype from them for years, AI has basically done nothing to improve the lives of normal people, wtf did they expect?
- SpicyLemonZest 5mo ago
  They didn't expect anything else and aren't surprised. "The X industry is discovering..." is one of those stock phrases that people just kinda deploy willy-nilly; the article contains no argument that anyone in the AI industry didn't know or didn't expect this.
  - emp17344 5mo ago
    Presumably these companies on the verge of an IPO don’t want the public to hate them or their product. It wasn’t exactly a calculated maneuver - they made a decision to leverage fear-based marketing and it backfired.
    - SpicyLemonZest 5mo ago
      It wasn't any sort of maneuver! It's what they genuinely believe! Both OpenAI and Anthropic have been telling people about the existential risk of powerful AI since the very day they were founded; OpenAI has been at it since 2015, 8 years before they had any meaningful product to market. Sam Altman still says, after being the victim of anti-AI violence, that "the fear and anxiety about AI is justified" and "it will not all go well". People simply refuse to believe that AI companies are serious about this, and get twisted into knots trying to understand why AI companies would choose this messaging under the premise that they can't be serious.
- operatingthetan 5mo ago
  If they are in a cult that shuns outside opinions, it could be a surprise when they find out...
autaut 5mo ago
I think tech ceo got a little bit too excited and their mask fell off and started saying “oh yeah, you don’t like it? Too bad nothing you can do about it”. You’ll see them quickly backpedal to woke 1.0 when it turns out they were a bit too quick about it.
- Gigachad 5mo ago
  And when people showed up at Sam Altmans house.
z3c0 5mo ago
Not to mention, it doesn't actually create the productivity promised at the lower rates promised. The most enthusiastic proponents are middle-management, not actual doers. It's an expensive route to mediocrity, which doesnt offer an edge in a market where everyone is using the same snakeoil.
- EA-3167 5mo ago
  Unreliable mediocrity, because you simply can never be sure when the damned thing lies/hallucinates unless you double-check everything. So now you're wrangling an "AI" system and you're doing most of the work you would have had to anyway. ...And when you don't it can get really embarrassing. https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/elite-wall-street-law-firm-apologizes-for-error-laden-motion-created-by-ai https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/elite-wall-street-la... Not the first time, surely not the last. The problem is that so much money is tied up in this thing, and the moment the music stops the bag holders are going to be utterly doomed.
  - girvo 5mo ago
    > the bag holders are going to be utterly doomed Good news, the plan is for us to be the bag holders as they rush to IPO.
- the_snooze 5mo ago
  They got way over their skis on this one. There's a difference between "impressive" tech vs. "operational" tech. That difference usually boils down to prioritizing engineering rigor over marketing.
dominotw 5mo ago
not to mention all the AI boosters seems to have the most hatable scammy personalities. why are they all so smug. magnet for scum like boosters on X, middle managment types, linkedin ai influences, ppl making fake videos on facebook.
- guzfip 5mo ago
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rvz 5mo ago
Not a surprise. Seems like AI is more hated than crypto and this shows that the AI industry is in a bubble. At least crypto does not take away more jobs than it creates, where as we all know AI takes away more jobs and no-one can give a solution or explain what the "new jobs" are. Because the value from AI is to automate the jobs from humans. Claiming otherwise is being intellectually dishonest. Same goes for defining "AGI".
- binyu 5mo ago
  > At least crypto does not take away more jobs than it creates Except sometimes when there's a huge black swan event, or when the bubble pops. Such things can result in significant layoffs even though it's a completely different mechanism.
- YZF 5mo ago
  Crypto sucks energy and creates no value. It's complete and utter speculative garbage that also destroys the planet. AI has real value. We can argue about whether the cost is worth the value, whether we're on an exponential improvement curve or not, whether it ends up creating jobs or destroying jobs, but AI is mind blowing science fiction that nobody would have believed you will exist 10 years ago.
  - rvz 5mo ago
    > Crypto sucks energy and creates no value. It's complete and utter speculative garbage that also destroys the planet. All of what you said is false. Stablecoins are not speculative and have value, and you can send money at a low fee, low cost, worldwide to wallets on the same day, right now with far less energy than today's "AI". > AI has real value. What do you mean by "AI" specifically? LLMs in data centers? The value in for this mysterious "AI" or even "AGI" paradise is not even for you. It is actually used against you. > We can argue about whether the cost is worth the value, whether we're on an exponential improvement curve or not You understand that the current iteration of "AI" needs tens of gigawatts of energy and hundreds of billions of dollars and wasteful amounts of water which causes electricity prices in certain cities to skyrocket? The way that it is financed appears to be close to fraudulent with vague "commitments" and mountains of debt that would take almost a trillion dollars in revenue to pay off the data centre build out. > whether it ends up creating jobs or destroying jobs, but AI is mind blowing science fiction that nobody would have believed you will exist 10 years ago. Assuming after the data centers will be built (if they ever will be), can you name what are those new jobs that will be created from "AI"?
monksy 5mo ago
Roy Sutherland has a really good take on AI. Most of the AI companies are targeting a cost cutting proposoition where they should target a value creation one. Targeting and pushing towards a regressive elimination route is tox and destructive to those around it. Then again the CEOs of these companies want to get their company at all cost to society.
- ncouture 5mo ago
  The title of the original article feels like click-baiut to me. It's covering an act of violence under the pretext that people hate AI. In fact it's a very sad story about a 20 year old throwing their life away instead of fighting for what he believes is right through non-violent activism and/or regulations. Last year I wrote an article asking the very question "Who will be the next Luddites?", National Geographics followed-up months later. I'm sure many before, after or in-between covered the same topic. There is truth to it, we will be impacted but let's not forget we went through this during the industial revolution and we should be better equipped than ever to fight using meaningful non-violent acts and operations. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/who-neo-luddites-more-importantly-terminator-nicolas-couture-1vfde/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/who-neo-luddites-more-importa... http://nationalgeographic.com/history/article/luddite-industrial-revolution-anti-technology http://nationalgeographic.com/history/article/luddite-indust... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Luddism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Luddism
  - estimator7292 5mo ago
    Non-violent means don't work and get you killed by cops. This is what the people are left with.
    - globalnode 5mo ago
      but violence doesnt work either, even if you conquer a whole nation (or social class or insert w/e here), you didnt really win and oneday they will get their revenge, so you're better off trying the non-violent way
threethirtytwo 5mo ago
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- nmeagent 5mo ago
  > Now my company... Which company is that? Do let us know so I can make sure to never be your customer.
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- salawat 5mo ago
  >People hate admitting the truth. Everything you said here is utter bs that people say to lie to themselves. Stares at poster silently from a lotus position waiting for the enlightenment lightbulb >I’m sick and tired of AI hatred without people facing the truth. People hate AI because AI is on a trajectory to replace them and become better than a human. That is the fundamental reality. Nu-bie, come, sit, be silent & reflect. When was the last time a tool was made that truly replaced the wielder? Without the wielder, a tool is nothing, without the tool, the wielder still strides as a beacon of divine potential. >Look don’t get angry at me. If you are on HN chances are you’re most likely delusional and completely wrong about AI. Continues staring in silence awaiting the moment of enlightenment >Now my company won’t even hire someone who hasn’t used Claude and I haven’t touched a text editor or ide in half a year. Same with the teeming hordes of experts on HN who said driverless cars will never come. All wrong. People on this site need to stop jumping on these band wagons of stupidity and pointless blame games. Nu-bie. Does the man disappear because the machine exists? Or is he redirected according to his nature? What nature consumes a man abandoned by his tribe? Surrounded by hoarders of the necessities & means of life? Reflect on this. Reflect also on the potential capabilities of a group of people that through attention to detail, great patience, and acts of artifice on behalf of their fellows once enabled the animation and thinking of rocks. Think very carefully about this. >Can we talk about that rather than blame corporations for being what they’ve been since before AI? Yeah corporations are psychopaths and corrupt and nobody cares. Same story till the end of time. We are on a cusp of a paradigm shift and your skills as a programmer are about to be utterly trashed because an AI is on trajectory to dominate your skills. The corporation is as a cup. It's direction is controlled and agency guided by men. It is the oldest form of AI, with us for hundreds of years. The only thing keeping it in check being the occasional times of great strife during which generations of men wrestle the beast, to remind ourselves of wherein our problems truly originate. >Face reality. Nu-bie, it is time for you to resume your chores. You have not been enlightened.

yoyohello13 5mo ago

I’m frankly more shocked that people in the industry are surprised the general public hates them. Like it’s been non-stop fear mongering and hype from them for years, AI has basically done nothing to improve the lives of normal people, wtf did they expect?

SpicyLemonZest 5mo ago
They didn't expect anything else and aren't surprised. "The X industry is discovering..." is one of those stock phrases that people just kinda deploy willy-nilly; the article contains no argument that anyone in the AI industry didn't know or didn't expect this.
- emp17344 5mo ago
  Presumably these companies on the verge of an IPO don’t want the public to hate them or their product. It wasn’t exactly a calculated maneuver - they made a decision to leverage fear-based marketing and it backfired.
  - SpicyLemonZest 5mo ago
    It wasn't any sort of maneuver! It's what they genuinely believe! Both OpenAI and Anthropic have been telling people about the existential risk of powerful AI since the very day they were founded; OpenAI has been at it since 2015, 8 years before they had any meaningful product to market. Sam Altman still says, after being the victim of anti-AI violence, that "the fear and anxiety about AI is justified" and "it will not all go well". People simply refuse to believe that AI companies are serious about this, and get twisted into knots trying to understand why AI companies would choose this messaging under the premise that they can't be serious.
operatingthetan 5mo ago
If they are in a cult that shuns outside opinions, it could be a surprise when they find out...

autaut 5mo ago

I think tech ceo got a little bit too excited and their mask fell off and started saying “oh yeah, you don’t like it? Too bad nothing you can do about it”. You’ll see them quickly backpedal to woke 1.0 when it turns out they were a bit too quick about it.

Gigachad 5mo ago
And when people showed up at Sam Altmans house.

z3c0 5mo ago

Not to mention, it doesn't actually create the productivity promised at the lower rates promised. The most enthusiastic proponents are middle-management, not actual doers. It's an expensive route to mediocrity, which doesnt offer an edge in a market where everyone is using the same snakeoil.

EA-3167 5mo ago
Unreliable mediocrity, because you simply can never be sure when the damned thing lies/hallucinates unless you double-check everything. So now you're wrangling an "AI" system and you're doing most of the work you would have had to anyway. ...And when you don't it can get really embarrassing. https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/elite-wall-street-law-firm-apologizes-for-error-laden-motion-created-by-ai https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/elite-wall-street-la... Not the first time, surely not the last. The problem is that so much money is tied up in this thing, and the moment the music stops the bag holders are going to be utterly doomed.
- girvo 5mo ago
  > the bag holders are going to be utterly doomed Good news, the plan is for us to be the bag holders as they rush to IPO.
the_snooze 5mo ago
They got way over their skis on this one. There's a difference between "impressive" tech vs. "operational" tech. That difference usually boils down to prioritizing engineering rigor over marketing.

dominotw 5mo ago

not to mention all the AI boosters seems to have the most hatable scammy personalities. why are they all so smug. magnet for scum like boosters on X, middle managment types, linkedin ai influences, ppl making fake videos on facebook.

guzfip 5mo ago
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rvz 5mo ago

Not a surprise. Seems like AI is more hated than crypto and this shows that the AI industry is in a bubble. At least crypto does not take away more jobs than it creates, where as we all know AI takes away more jobs and no-one can give a solution or explain what the "new jobs" are. Because the value from AI is to automate the jobs from humans. Claiming otherwise is being intellectually dishonest. Same goes for defining "AGI".

binyu 5mo ago
> At least crypto does not take away more jobs than it creates Except sometimes when there's a huge black swan event, or when the bubble pops. Such things can result in significant layoffs even though it's a completely different mechanism.
YZF 5mo ago
Crypto sucks energy and creates no value. It's complete and utter speculative garbage that also destroys the planet. AI has real value. We can argue about whether the cost is worth the value, whether we're on an exponential improvement curve or not, whether it ends up creating jobs or destroying jobs, but AI is mind blowing science fiction that nobody would have believed you will exist 10 years ago.
- rvz 5mo ago
  > Crypto sucks energy and creates no value. It's complete and utter speculative garbage that also destroys the planet. All of what you said is false. Stablecoins are not speculative and have value, and you can send money at a low fee, low cost, worldwide to wallets on the same day, right now with far less energy than today's "AI". > AI has real value. What do you mean by "AI" specifically? LLMs in data centers? The value in for this mysterious "AI" or even "AGI" paradise is not even for you. It is actually used against you. > We can argue about whether the cost is worth the value, whether we're on an exponential improvement curve or not You understand that the current iteration of "AI" needs tens of gigawatts of energy and hundreds of billions of dollars and wasteful amounts of water which causes electricity prices in certain cities to skyrocket? The way that it is financed appears to be close to fraudulent with vague "commitments" and mountains of debt that would take almost a trillion dollars in revenue to pay off the data centre build out. > whether it ends up creating jobs or destroying jobs, but AI is mind blowing science fiction that nobody would have believed you will exist 10 years ago. Assuming after the data centers will be built (if they ever will be), can you name what are those new jobs that will be created from "AI"?

monksy 5mo ago

Roy Sutherland has a really good take on AI. Most of the AI companies are targeting a cost cutting proposoition where they should target a value creation one. Targeting and pushing towards a regressive elimination route is tox and destructive to those around it. Then again the CEOs of these companies want to get their company at all cost to society.

ncouture 5mo ago
The title of the original article feels like click-baiut to me. It's covering an act of violence under the pretext that people hate AI. In fact it's a very sad story about a 20 year old throwing their life away instead of fighting for what he believes is right through non-violent activism and/or regulations. Last year I wrote an article asking the very question "Who will be the next Luddites?", National Geographics followed-up months later. I'm sure many before, after or in-between covered the same topic. There is truth to it, we will be impacted but let's not forget we went through this during the industial revolution and we should be better equipped than ever to fight using meaningful non-violent acts and operations. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/who-neo-luddites-more-importantly-terminator-nicolas-couture-1vfde/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/who-neo-luddites-more-importa... http://nationalgeographic.com/history/article/luddite-industrial-revolution-anti-technology http://nationalgeographic.com/history/article/luddite-indust... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Luddism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Luddism
- estimator7292 5mo ago
  Non-violent means don't work and get you killed by cops. This is what the people are left with.
  - globalnode 5mo ago
    but violence doesnt work either, even if you conquer a whole nation (or social class or insert w/e here), you didnt really win and oneday they will get their revenge, so you're better off trying the non-violent way

threethirtytwo 5mo ago

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nmeagent 5mo ago
> Now my company... Which company is that? Do let us know so I can make sure to never be your customer.
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salawat 5mo ago
>People hate admitting the truth. Everything you said here is utter bs that people say to lie to themselves. Stares at poster silently from a lotus position waiting for the enlightenment lightbulb >I’m sick and tired of AI hatred without people facing the truth. People hate AI because AI is on a trajectory to replace them and become better than a human. That is the fundamental reality. Nu-bie, come, sit, be silent & reflect. When was the last time a tool was made that truly replaced the wielder? Without the wielder, a tool is nothing, without the tool, the wielder still strides as a beacon of divine potential. >Look don’t get angry at me. If you are on HN chances are you’re most likely delusional and completely wrong about AI. Continues staring in silence awaiting the moment of enlightenment >Now my company won’t even hire someone who hasn’t used Claude and I haven’t touched a text editor or ide in half a year. Same with the teeming hordes of experts on HN who said driverless cars will never come. All wrong. People on this site need to stop jumping on these band wagons of stupidity and pointless blame games. Nu-bie. Does the man disappear because the machine exists? Or is he redirected according to his nature? What nature consumes a man abandoned by his tribe? Surrounded by hoarders of the necessities & means of life? Reflect on this. Reflect also on the potential capabilities of a group of people that through attention to detail, great patience, and acts of artifice on behalf of their fellows once enabled the animation and thinking of rocks. Think very carefully about this. >Can we talk about that rather than blame corporations for being what they’ve been since before AI? Yeah corporations are psychopaths and corrupt and nobody cares. Same story till the end of time. We are on a cusp of a paradigm shift and your skills as a programmer are about to be utterly trashed because an AI is on trajectory to dominate your skills. The corporation is as a cup. It's direction is controlled and agency guided by men. It is the oldest form of AI, with us for hundreds of years. The only thing keeping it in check being the occasional times of great strife during which generations of men wrestle the beast, to remind ourselves of wherein our problems truly originate. >Face reality. Nu-bie, it is time for you to resume your chores. You have not been enlightened.