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It's nice as always, but I have some issues. * Select - Middle-click paste does not seem to work * When something requires a password (ie just tried a bitlock

by teekert 6mo ago

It's nice as always, but I have some issues. * Select - Middle-click paste does not seem to work * When something requires a password (ie just tried a bitlocker volume) the whole screen is blocked, so no password manager for you (unless you copy it before, or cancel - unplug drive-copy password - replug drive - paste.) * The default tiling does not jive with me, sometimes I don't even know what it wants (it always tries to force you to also set a left windows if you tile right and vice versa) so I disabled it `gnome-extensions disable tiling-assistant@ubuntu.com`. Default Gnome tiling is ok (but missing quarter tiling (and 1/8th would be nice on my ultra-wide) imho so I use [0] * I've been trying to use Nix home-manager for packages but I have GPU errors, need workarounds, icons that just remain generic. But I guess that is not Ubuntu's fault. Ubuntu remains my nr. 2 choice, after NixOS (but I didn't get the latter to install on this Nuc, perhaps a bios update will help). The installer offered (under experimental) to run root on zfs, I didn't end up selecting it because only on the forth try (and by that time you're clicking at a fast rate just taking defaults) I understood that it would only download packages via wifi, not the cable (same for NixOS installer, so must be my network). [0] https://github.com/troyready/quarterwindows https://github.com/troyready/quarterwindows

WD-42 6mo ago
Select middle click not working is a stupid decision from GNOME to disable in 50. You can turn it back on with the tweak tool.
- Gigachad 6mo ago
  Probably changed to work the same as macos. Not sure if windows does middle click paste.
  - NekkoDroid 6mo ago
    > Not sure if windows does middle click paste. It doesn't. X was the only place I know of where that was a thing.
    - kleiba2 6mo ago
      ...and it's a great thing. Turning it off is another one of those GNOME decisions that are only made because the same feature does not exist in MacOS.
      - linmob 6mo ago
        As a trackpoint user, I am glad it's off by default. Because of scrolling on Thinkpad keyboards (using the middle click), I had to turn that feature of every time, especially while working on longer documents I would otherwise accidentally paste stuff at random places. (It's not just macOS.)
        hdgvhicv 6mo ago
        I’ve used a thinkpad for 26 years, 18 with Ubuntu. I’ve always had middle click enabled.
        lproven 6mo ago
        No way, José. From where I sit I have 5 Thinkpads set up within reach, and I have a few more in other rooms. They are by far my preferred laptop. Most run Ubuntu as their default OS, most have the trackpad disabled because I usually use the trackpoint for everything, and on all of them I use middle-click to paste extensively.
        linmob 6mo ago
        Glad you're less clumsy than I am. :-) The accidental pasting definitely kept happening to me, likely due to my bad habit of highlighting sections while to focus on them.
        Izkata 6mo ago
        I'm guessing you have touchpad corners enabled. Usually by default lower-right is 2nd mouse button and upper-right is 3rd mouse button (middle click). I only use the touchpad, but knowing where it is I can avoid it and almost never trigger it accidentally. It can also be disabled without affecting two-finger and three-finger tap, which I do use. (This applies to all laptops, not just Thinkpads)
- jl6 6mo ago
  Did they publish some rationale somewhere? It’s a useful feature.
  - deleted 6mo ago
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  - nine_k 6mo ago
    Neither Windows nor macOS have it, so it's surprising to new users. If your target market (as in support contracts) is EU public servants, it's sort of understandable.
    - scns 6mo ago
      it's surprising to new users (in a good way, i was happy when i found it) let's remove it.
- Sol- 6mo ago
  Jesus, do the people who work on GNOME even like Linux?
  - tuna74 6mo ago
    Maybe they all use some BSD distro?
  - LtWorf 6mo ago
    In Icaza's case I think he just always wanted to work for Microsoft. I don't know about the less famous developers though.
    - ossusermivami 6mo ago
      icaza hasn't dev or used gnome for like decades.... and i am not sure why you assume the intent of miguel like that.
    - littlecranky67 6mo ago
      Well he did, in the end until he quit Microsoft (and Linux) and moved to macOS/iOS and Swift development.
- PaoloBarbolini 6mo ago
  Why do we still put up with GNOME? I've spent the last 10 years off and on from Linux. Had I used something other than GNOME, I believe my experience would have been better. I've been on KDE for the last 3-4 years and things work so well I could never imagine going back to GNOME.
  - XorNot 6mo ago
    Because Cinnamon exists and has a delightful commitment to functional minimalism.
  - SkiFire13 6mo ago
    > Why do we still put up with GNOME? Because maybe not all people have the same preferences as you?
    - dijit 6mo ago
      Preferences don't form in a vacuum though. There's a perception that GNOME is the "good environment" which means its decisions get treated as more important than other DEs' when things change: and that's somewhat self-reinforcing. Distro: "The most used DE needs first class support, we should probably bend to it" → Distro: "We should probably make this DE the default since it's so widely used and supported" → User: "I choose the default" → Distro: "The most used DE…" So yes, people have different preferences; but if your preference is GNOME today, it might not be GNOME tomorrow, and "I picked the default" isn't quite the neutral signal it looks like.
      - tuna74 6mo ago
        A desktop/workstation/whatever should have a graphical user interface. If you want another GUI you can choose another distro (like Kubuntu etc).
        dijit 6mo ago
        where exactly did I say anything contrary to what you said. Are you implying that GNOME is the only thing that should be considered graphical? That everything else has to be an alternative? That GNOME, by virtue of existing has infinite reprieve to change the definition of user interfaces at their leisure; even if it means breaking muscle memory hundreds of thousands of times over decades. I don’t follow the point of what you said.
- littlecranky67 6mo ago
  It is a preference - and not everyones. I always hated middle click paste, middle click is amongst the first thing I remap on my systems to do the macOS "exposé"-style of window rearrangements. Other people will have other preferences.
  - sph 6mo ago
    I suppose you use Super+Middle Click? Not a bad idea, I dislike hot corners, and the "exposé" feature of niri is quite good. I might actually remap it to Super+Middle Click. (I use Super+side mouse buttons to move between workspaces, I hate the keyboard-centric workflow when one hand is always on the mouse)
    - littlecranky67 6mo ago
      I don't use Super. Middle click (Button 3) = expose, Button 4 = workspace to the left, Button 5 = workspace to the right. Requires a good mouse with accessible button 4/5 of course. No key modifier.
      - sph 6mo ago
        What about software that uses those buttons? I.e. web browser? (middle click = open link in a tab, side buttons = forward/back history)
        littlecranky67 6mo ago
        No software I use, uses these buttons for anything integral by default, neither on Linux nor Mac. And if they do, the OS has precedence. On macOS I use BetterTouchTool for those mapping, you can define exceptions for individual apps.
  - giancarlostoro 6mo ago
    I hate that its somehow different from ctrl v paste, that's what makes me angry more.
- teekert 6mo ago
  THANX! I don't know how people live on platforms that don't have this :) As for the negative Gnome feedback (not from you but others) I do like Gnome, it's just enough window manager for me, I like the defaults and I like the touchpad gestures etc. Generally looks and works well for all I do. I always feel swamped by KDE.
- giancarlostoro 6mo ago
  I just use KDE on arch, though for a little while it was glitching out on me frequently, idk if I've been too busy to notice it recently or if they finally patched it up. I miss KDE 3.5 it felt drastically more stable than KDE today. I've tried other DE's but they get weird if your Distro is not built for them.
LtWorf 6mo ago
> * Select - Middle-click paste does not seem to work They did it on purpose for some reason. If I were you I'd give Plasma a try.
- dotancohen 6mo ago
  Plasma, meaning KDE. I've been using the Kubuntu 26.04 prereleases for a few weeks. No surprises from KDE, but Wayland has broken a few things. Autotype in Keepass does not work, keynav and even the Wayland keynav forks don't work, and Wayland does not support priority keyboard layouts for switching between two specific layouts.
  - LtWorf 6mo ago
    It's called plasma now :) KDE is the association, the desktop is plasma. I still mostly use Xorg though, I only have wayland on a tablet.
    - ButlerianJihad 6mo ago
      It seems that KDE is fairly consistent in calling this “Plasma” and specifically, “Plasma Desktop”, but English Wikipedia insists on prefixing the names of their products with “KDE”. Especially Plasma 4, 5, and 6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Plasma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Plasma https://kde.org/plasma-desktop/ https://kde.org/plasma-desktop/ Is this, like, a “GNU/Linux controversy” thing?
      - zamadatix 6mo ago
        "KDE Plasma" can be interpreted as "The KDE organization's Plasma" and probably saves on some article title consistency while avoiding the need to disambiguate the main Plasma article title with (Desktop Environment) or the like. Likely more trouble to try to change than it helps anything as a result. It's really only calling it "KDE" in isolation that is a bit off. On the GNOME side, such a reference makes sense because the desktop environment is named GNOME and it's run by the GNOME Project/GNOME Foundation. I.e. a bit reversed which word in the order refers to the org's vs DE's name. Most of the time people will probably figure it out at the end of the day via context either way though.
kstenerud 6mo ago
> Select - Middle-click paste does not seem to work Good. It shouldn't be on by default. It's surprising behavior, too easy to fat-finger, and too disruptive when it accidentally triggers.
- reedciccio 6mo ago
  What???? That's the most expected feature of any *nix user since the dawn of X Window!
  - deleted 6mo ago
    [deleted]
  - marshray 6mo ago
    The X Window developers were mostly just making it up as they went along. Practically no one expects mouse buttons to work like that.
    - reedciccio 6mo ago
      Unix workstations had mice with 3 buttons. The Mac had only one. Windows, Amiga, Atari had two. The Unix developers had choice that others didn't have. They came up with a use that existed forever. Now someone decided to remove the default for no apparent reason. It's like the Android product managers continuing to change the color, size and gesture to answer a phone call: every release, the first call is an exercise in managing frustration.
      - marshray 6mo ago
        The number of graphical Unix workstation users during at the time of widespread adoption of Windows and Mac was utterly insignificant. You cannot compare it to Android.
AntonFriberg 6mo ago
For Nix Home-Manager on non-nixos you need to fix the driver integration. https://nix-community.github.io/home-manager/index.xhtml#sec-usage-gpu-sudo https://nix-community.github.io/home-manager/index.xhtml#sec... Nowadays it is quite easy https://github.com/AntonFriberg/dotfiles/blob/master/modules/home.nix#L61 https://github.com/AntonFriberg/dotfiles/blob/master/modules... Note that the way this works is that after you activate your home manager generation it outputs a script path that you need to run manually as root which installs a Systemd service which ensures that the drivers are linked correctly.

by teekert 6mo ago

WD-42 6mo ago

Select middle click not working is a stupid decision from GNOME to disable in 50. You can turn it back on with the tweak tool.

Gigachad 6mo ago
Probably changed to work the same as macos. Not sure if windows does middle click paste.
- NekkoDroid 6mo ago
  > Not sure if windows does middle click paste. It doesn't. X was the only place I know of where that was a thing.
  - kleiba2 6mo ago
    ...and it's a great thing. Turning it off is another one of those GNOME decisions that are only made because the same feature does not exist in MacOS.
    - linmob 6mo ago
      As a trackpoint user, I am glad it's off by default. Because of scrolling on Thinkpad keyboards (using the middle click), I had to turn that feature of every time, especially while working on longer documents I would otherwise accidentally paste stuff at random places. (It's not just macOS.)
      - hdgvhicv 6mo ago
        I’ve used a thinkpad for 26 years, 18 with Ubuntu. I’ve always had middle click enabled.
      - lproven 6mo ago
        No way, José. From where I sit I have 5 Thinkpads set up within reach, and I have a few more in other rooms. They are by far my preferred laptop. Most run Ubuntu as their default OS, most have the trackpad disabled because I usually use the trackpoint for everything, and on all of them I use middle-click to paste extensively.
        linmob 6mo ago
        Glad you're less clumsy than I am. :-) The accidental pasting definitely kept happening to me, likely due to my bad habit of highlighting sections while to focus on them.
        Izkata 6mo ago
        I'm guessing you have touchpad corners enabled. Usually by default lower-right is 2nd mouse button and upper-right is 3rd mouse button (middle click). I only use the touchpad, but knowing where it is I can avoid it and almost never trigger it accidentally. It can also be disabled without affecting two-finger and three-finger tap, which I do use. (This applies to all laptops, not just Thinkpads)
jl6 6mo ago
Did they publish some rationale somewhere? It’s a useful feature.
- deleted 6mo ago
  [deleted]
- nine_k 6mo ago
  Neither Windows nor macOS have it, so it's surprising to new users. If your target market (as in support contracts) is EU public servants, it's sort of understandable.
  - scns 6mo ago
    it's surprising to new users (in a good way, i was happy when i found it) let's remove it.
Sol- 6mo ago
Jesus, do the people who work on GNOME even like Linux?
- tuna74 6mo ago
  Maybe they all use some BSD distro?
- LtWorf 6mo ago
  In Icaza's case I think he just always wanted to work for Microsoft. I don't know about the less famous developers though.
  - ossusermivami 6mo ago
    icaza hasn't dev or used gnome for like decades.... and i am not sure why you assume the intent of miguel like that.
  - littlecranky67 6mo ago
    Well he did, in the end until he quit Microsoft (and Linux) and moved to macOS/iOS and Swift development.
PaoloBarbolini 6mo ago
Why do we still put up with GNOME? I've spent the last 10 years off and on from Linux. Had I used something other than GNOME, I believe my experience would have been better. I've been on KDE for the last 3-4 years and things work so well I could never imagine going back to GNOME.
- XorNot 6mo ago
  Because Cinnamon exists and has a delightful commitment to functional minimalism.
- SkiFire13 6mo ago
  > Why do we still put up with GNOME? Because maybe not all people have the same preferences as you?
  - dijit 6mo ago
    Preferences don't form in a vacuum though. There's a perception that GNOME is the "good environment" which means its decisions get treated as more important than other DEs' when things change: and that's somewhat self-reinforcing. Distro: "The most used DE needs first class support, we should probably bend to it" → Distro: "We should probably make this DE the default since it's so widely used and supported" → User: "I choose the default" → Distro: "The most used DE…" So yes, people have different preferences; but if your preference is GNOME today, it might not be GNOME tomorrow, and "I picked the default" isn't quite the neutral signal it looks like.
    - tuna74 6mo ago
      A desktop/workstation/whatever should have a graphical user interface. If you want another GUI you can choose another distro (like Kubuntu etc).
      - dijit 6mo ago
        where exactly did I say anything contrary to what you said. Are you implying that GNOME is the only thing that should be considered graphical? That everything else has to be an alternative? That GNOME, by virtue of existing has infinite reprieve to change the definition of user interfaces at their leisure; even if it means breaking muscle memory hundreds of thousands of times over decades. I don’t follow the point of what you said.
littlecranky67 6mo ago
It is a preference - and not everyones. I always hated middle click paste, middle click is amongst the first thing I remap on my systems to do the macOS "exposé"-style of window rearrangements. Other people will have other preferences.
- sph 6mo ago
  I suppose you use Super+Middle Click? Not a bad idea, I dislike hot corners, and the "exposé" feature of niri is quite good. I might actually remap it to Super+Middle Click. (I use Super+side mouse buttons to move between workspaces, I hate the keyboard-centric workflow when one hand is always on the mouse)
  - littlecranky67 6mo ago
    I don't use Super. Middle click (Button 3) = expose, Button 4 = workspace to the left, Button 5 = workspace to the right. Requires a good mouse with accessible button 4/5 of course. No key modifier.
    - sph 6mo ago
      What about software that uses those buttons? I.e. web browser? (middle click = open link in a tab, side buttons = forward/back history)
      - littlecranky67 6mo ago
        No software I use, uses these buttons for anything integral by default, neither on Linux nor Mac. And if they do, the OS has precedence. On macOS I use BetterTouchTool for those mapping, you can define exceptions for individual apps.
- giancarlostoro 6mo ago
  I hate that its somehow different from ctrl v paste, that's what makes me angry more.
teekert 6mo ago
THANX! I don't know how people live on platforms that don't have this :) As for the negative Gnome feedback (not from you but others) I do like Gnome, it's just enough window manager for me, I like the defaults and I like the touchpad gestures etc. Generally looks and works well for all I do. I always feel swamped by KDE.
giancarlostoro 6mo ago
I just use KDE on arch, though for a little while it was glitching out on me frequently, idk if I've been too busy to notice it recently or if they finally patched it up. I miss KDE 3.5 it felt drastically more stable than KDE today. I've tried other DE's but they get weird if your Distro is not built for them.

LtWorf 6mo ago

> * Select - Middle-click paste does not seem to work They did it on purpose for some reason. If I were you I'd give Plasma a try.

dotancohen 6mo ago
Plasma, meaning KDE. I've been using the Kubuntu 26.04 prereleases for a few weeks. No surprises from KDE, but Wayland has broken a few things. Autotype in Keepass does not work, keynav and even the Wayland keynav forks don't work, and Wayland does not support priority keyboard layouts for switching between two specific layouts.
- LtWorf 6mo ago
  It's called plasma now :) KDE is the association, the desktop is plasma. I still mostly use Xorg though, I only have wayland on a tablet.
  - ButlerianJihad 6mo ago
    It seems that KDE is fairly consistent in calling this “Plasma” and specifically, “Plasma Desktop”, but English Wikipedia insists on prefixing the names of their products with “KDE”. Especially Plasma 4, 5, and 6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Plasma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Plasma https://kde.org/plasma-desktop/ https://kde.org/plasma-desktop/ Is this, like, a “GNU/Linux controversy” thing?
    - zamadatix 6mo ago
      "KDE Plasma" can be interpreted as "The KDE organization's Plasma" and probably saves on some article title consistency while avoiding the need to disambiguate the main Plasma article title with (Desktop Environment) or the like. Likely more trouble to try to change than it helps anything as a result. It's really only calling it "KDE" in isolation that is a bit off. On the GNOME side, such a reference makes sense because the desktop environment is named GNOME and it's run by the GNOME Project/GNOME Foundation. I.e. a bit reversed which word in the order refers to the org's vs DE's name. Most of the time people will probably figure it out at the end of the day via context either way though.

kstenerud 6mo ago

> Select - Middle-click paste does not seem to work Good. It shouldn't be on by default. It's surprising behavior, too easy to fat-finger, and too disruptive when it accidentally triggers.

reedciccio 6mo ago
What???? That's the most expected feature of any *nix user since the dawn of X Window!
- deleted 6mo ago
  [deleted]
- marshray 6mo ago
  The X Window developers were mostly just making it up as they went along. Practically no one expects mouse buttons to work like that.
  - reedciccio 6mo ago
    Unix workstations had mice with 3 buttons. The Mac had only one. Windows, Amiga, Atari had two. The Unix developers had choice that others didn't have. They came up with a use that existed forever. Now someone decided to remove the default for no apparent reason. It's like the Android product managers continuing to change the color, size and gesture to answer a phone call: every release, the first call is an exercise in managing frustration.
    - marshray 6mo ago
      The number of graphical Unix workstation users during at the time of widespread adoption of Windows and Mac was utterly insignificant. You cannot compare it to Android.

AntonFriberg 6mo ago

For Nix Home-Manager on non-nixos you need to fix the driver integration. https://nix-community.github.io/home-manager/index.xhtml#sec-usage-gpu-sudo https://nix-community.github.io/home-manager/index.xhtml#sec... Nowadays it is quite easy https://github.com/AntonFriberg/dotfiles/blob/master/modules/home.nix#L61 https://github.com/AntonFriberg/dotfiles/blob/master/modules... Note that the way this works is that after you activate your home manager generation it outputs a script path that you need to run manually as root which installs a Systemd service which ensures that the drivers are linked correctly.