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pretty much none of these big providers are offering the guarantees needed to be taken seriously in workplaces right now. the technology itself isn't offering t

by trueno 6mo ago

pretty much none of these big providers are offering the guarantees needed to be taken seriously in workplaces right now. the technology itself isn't offering the deterministic guarantees that should warrant it in the workplace right now. problem is everyone's foot is just on the gas. even if your workplace isnt paying for it, people are just straight up rolling their own personal claude accounts to do work at orgs. ive been trying to make the case all year that if we're going to let employees do shit with ai, lets try claude. in the past like.. 2-3 weeks all that goodwill has basically evaporated. local inference needs to take off asap because all of these entities actually suck and i wouldn't trust a single sla with anthropic. they are not acting like a serious company right now, this is a joke.

solenoid0937 6mo ago
Anthropic is absolutely taken seriously in workplaces, what are you even talking about? No serious business uses Pro or Max, they are all on Anthropic API billing. In fact with this move it is plainly obvious that Anthropic is moving compute from prosumers towards enterprise.
- edg5000 6mo ago
  But the API is incredibly expensive. I calculated that I would have spent 3000 EUR the last month, a lot more than the 100 I pay now.
  - mewpmewp2 6mo ago
    Nothing for large companies though.
    - ElectricalUnion 6mo ago
      I am pretty sure that a hole in the pocket in the order of 50 000 000 USD/month (assuming around 20 000 people using AI in not the smartest or most optimized way possible, therefore burning A LOT of tokens) will be noticeable by even the largest companies.
      - mewpmewp2 6mo ago
        It is noticeable and even promoted, large companies do pay such sums for the API, like $5k+ per person per month. Not every eng is using AI that much already, but companies are clearly willing to pay those sums.
    - surgical_fire 6mo ago
      Per employee? This not nothing.
- port11 6mo ago
  I know of a very serious business that deployed Max to all of their developers. API pricing, from what I see, can become more expensive than just hiring another dev.
  - mewpmewp2 6mo ago
    Well yes it is expensive, but companies are paying for that. It is far more expensive than the Max and it does go up to or more in some cases compared to the employee salary. Larger companies are using Claude through AWS Bedrock and are willing to easily pay $5k+ per engineer per month for it.
    - fauigerzigerk 6mo ago
      The thinking appears to be that a model that can do the work of a developer must be worth a significant share of a developer salary. I think this idea is flawed. Developer salaries are driven up by scarcity - scarcity of developer skills overall and scarcity of developer skills in specific places like California. If AI models destroy the scarcity then the price worth paying for a coding agent will drop dramatically. Maybe Anthropic can get away with it for a couple of months. But this will not last.
      - mewpmewp2 6mo ago
        But if e.g. a developer can do 50% more, shouldn't it be worth it to pay up to 50% of developer salary for the product? So the % is debatable of course. There's cases where an AI agent can save weeks worth of investigation, there's cases where you are mainly blocked due to processes, and many different circumstances. It's up to every company on their own to decide it. But if they decide it's 50%, why shouldn't they spend 50% of salary on it? Like imagine a large company with thousands of microservices. You need to build a feature, before you had to setup cross timezone team meetings to figure out who owns what, what is happening in each microservice, how it all connects together. But now you can essentially send an AI Agent to scour and prepare all this material for you, which theoretically in this planning could save hours of back and forth meetings. If 1 hour / 1 eng costs $200, then a 10 people 1h meeting avoided would save $200 x 10 = $2000 alone. I don't see it as a replacement for dev, it's more of a multiplier.
- quietsegfault 6mo ago
  I work for a "very serious" company with many billions of dollars of revenue. All our SWEs have max subscriptions.
- cultofmetatron 6mo ago
  My startup just rolled out MAX plans for our engineers. we literally jumped into AI last week. Been in operation for 6 years and are profitable.
adam_patarino 6mo ago
What are you guys subscribed to if not Claude? Copilot? Or is everyone legit bringing their own license?
- spiderfarmer 6mo ago
  I have the basic subscriptions for Copilot, Claude and Codex. About €50 per month. I enjoy Codex the most But like Claude I’m not loyal to any of them.
- 0xffff2 6mo ago
  Copilot's per-prompt pricing model is overwhelmingly the best value for money right now, although they more than doubled the price of Opus 4.7 compared to 4.6 and completely removed 4.5 and 4.6, which erodes their lead somewhat. Copilot restricts context much more than CC, but I still find it to be plenty capable. I've occasionally managed to give Copilot/Opus 4.6 a prompt that kept it productive for a full work day for a cost of just ~$0.10.
- chillfox 6mo ago
  I got a claude api key from work that I use with zed. It works really well and usually ends up costing $25/day if I use it all day. I did recently experiment with copilot for personal stuff, but will cancel it now that opus is no longer available on the $10/month plan.
- rurban 6mo ago
  My company has Github Business, which provides all major models. Claude runs out of tokens usually in the middle of the month. I can use it with opencode. Then one extra Claude Pro. Then also: Codex business for a test month. gpt-5.4 was excellent. And since kimi-2.6 I bought their monthly for testing. Works fine. Not as excellent as opus, but usable. Fixes tricky problems by its own. Not an OpenRouter subscription yet. Those models are either free on opencode anyway, or not good enough. The free MinMax 2.5 on opencode is pretty usable also.

by trueno 6mo ago

solenoid0937 6mo ago

Anthropic is absolutely taken seriously in workplaces, what are you even talking about? No serious business uses Pro or Max, they are all on Anthropic API billing. In fact with this move it is plainly obvious that Anthropic is moving compute from prosumers towards enterprise.

edg5000 6mo ago
But the API is incredibly expensive. I calculated that I would have spent 3000 EUR the last month, a lot more than the 100 I pay now.
- mewpmewp2 6mo ago
  Nothing for large companies though.
  - ElectricalUnion 6mo ago
    I am pretty sure that a hole in the pocket in the order of 50 000 000 USD/month (assuming around 20 000 people using AI in not the smartest or most optimized way possible, therefore burning A LOT of tokens) will be noticeable by even the largest companies.
    - mewpmewp2 6mo ago
      It is noticeable and even promoted, large companies do pay such sums for the API, like $5k+ per person per month. Not every eng is using AI that much already, but companies are clearly willing to pay those sums.
  - surgical_fire 6mo ago
    Per employee? This not nothing.
port11 6mo ago
I know of a very serious business that deployed Max to all of their developers. API pricing, from what I see, can become more expensive than just hiring another dev.
- mewpmewp2 6mo ago
  Well yes it is expensive, but companies are paying for that. It is far more expensive than the Max and it does go up to or more in some cases compared to the employee salary. Larger companies are using Claude through AWS Bedrock and are willing to easily pay $5k+ per engineer per month for it.
  - fauigerzigerk 6mo ago
    The thinking appears to be that a model that can do the work of a developer must be worth a significant share of a developer salary. I think this idea is flawed. Developer salaries are driven up by scarcity - scarcity of developer skills overall and scarcity of developer skills in specific places like California. If AI models destroy the scarcity then the price worth paying for a coding agent will drop dramatically. Maybe Anthropic can get away with it for a couple of months. But this will not last.
    - mewpmewp2 6mo ago
      But if e.g. a developer can do 50% more, shouldn't it be worth it to pay up to 50% of developer salary for the product? So the % is debatable of course. There's cases where an AI agent can save weeks worth of investigation, there's cases where you are mainly blocked due to processes, and many different circumstances. It's up to every company on their own to decide it. But if they decide it's 50%, why shouldn't they spend 50% of salary on it? Like imagine a large company with thousands of microservices. You need to build a feature, before you had to setup cross timezone team meetings to figure out who owns what, what is happening in each microservice, how it all connects together. But now you can essentially send an AI Agent to scour and prepare all this material for you, which theoretically in this planning could save hours of back and forth meetings. If 1 hour / 1 eng costs $200, then a 10 people 1h meeting avoided would save $200 x 10 = $2000 alone. I don't see it as a replacement for dev, it's more of a multiplier.
quietsegfault 6mo ago
I work for a "very serious" company with many billions of dollars of revenue. All our SWEs have max subscriptions.
cultofmetatron 6mo ago
My startup just rolled out MAX plans for our engineers. we literally jumped into AI last week. Been in operation for 6 years and are profitable.

adam_patarino 6mo ago

What are you guys subscribed to if not Claude? Copilot? Or is everyone legit bringing their own license?

spiderfarmer 6mo ago
I have the basic subscriptions for Copilot, Claude and Codex. About €50 per month. I enjoy Codex the most But like Claude I’m not loyal to any of them.
0xffff2 6mo ago
Copilot's per-prompt pricing model is overwhelmingly the best value for money right now, although they more than doubled the price of Opus 4.7 compared to 4.6 and completely removed 4.5 and 4.6, which erodes their lead somewhat. Copilot restricts context much more than CC, but I still find it to be plenty capable. I've occasionally managed to give Copilot/Opus 4.6 a prompt that kept it productive for a full work day for a cost of just ~$0.10.
chillfox 6mo ago
I got a claude api key from work that I use with zed. It works really well and usually ends up costing $25/day if I use it all day. I did recently experiment with copilot for personal stuff, but will cancel it now that opus is no longer available on the $10/month plan.
rurban 6mo ago
My company has Github Business, which provides all major models. Claude runs out of tokens usually in the middle of the month. I can use it with opencode. Then one extra Claude Pro. Then also: Codex business for a test month. gpt-5.4 was excellent. And since kimi-2.6 I bought their monthly for testing. Works fine. Not as excellent as opus, but usable. Fixes tricky problems by its own. Not an OpenRouter subscription yet. Those models are either free on opencode anyway, or not good enough. The free MinMax 2.5 on opencode is pretty usable also.