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Did a trial for a month. It's indeed very impressive but at the same time, it's also very stressful because you don't know how the car is going to react. So I w
by hazelnut 6mo ago
Did a trial for a month. It's indeed very impressive but at the same time, it's also very stressful because you don't know how the car is going to react. So I was on constant alert if there were any tricky situations. After some time, it became exhausting and more draining then manual driving.
- twothreeone 6mo agoThat was my impression as well. You have to babysit the AI the whole time and if you fail to do that it's basically your life (and others' of course) on the line.
- 6510 6mo agowhat do you think it is train drivers do?
- rzzzt 6mo agoDoing their absolute best with the steering wheel not to go off those pencil-thin tracks?
- bloggie 6mo agoShould Tesla pay people to use Autopilot?
- taylodl 6mo agoGetting paid to babysit. Tesla asks you to pay to babysit.
- c0balt 6mo agoRun on premade, static tracks with clearly divided "roads" from the rest of road participants. Their role is to stop the train in an emergency and adjust to speed etc. to track/driving conditions. Automating their job probably wouldn't even need the complex ML used for self-driving because the context is significantly simpler and relatively well defined. Maybe a team in city might need such a model but it would still be a significantly simpler task than driving a car.
- Mawr 6mo agoTrains are really unpredictable. Even in the middle of a forest two rails can appear out of nowhere, and a 1.5-mile fully loaded coal drag, heading east out of the low-sulfur mines of the PRB, will be right on your ass the next moment. I was doing laundry in my basement, and I tripped over a metal bar that wasn't there the moment before. I looked down: "Rail? WTF?" and then I saw concrete sleepers underneath and heard the rumbling. Deafening railroad horn. I dumped my wife's pants, unfolded, and dove behind the water heater. It was a double-stacked Z train, headed east towards the fast single track of the BNSF Emporia Sub (Flint Hills). Majestic as hell: 75 mph, 6 units, distributed power: 4 ES44DC's pulling, and 2 Dash-9's pushing, all in run 8. Whole house smelled like diesel for a couple of hours! Fact is, there is no way to discern which path a train will take, so you really have to be watchful. If only there were some way of knowing the routes trains travel; maybe some sort of marks on the ground, like twin iron bars running along the paths trains take. You could look for trains when you encounter the iron bars on the ground, and avoid these sorts of collisions. But such a measure would be extremely expensive. And how would one enforce a rule keeping the trains on those paths? A big hole in homeland security is railway engineer screening and hijacking prevention. There is nothing to stop a rogue engineer, or an ISIS terrorist, from driving a train into the Pentagon, the White House or the Statue of Liberty, and our government has done fuck-all to prevent it.
- not_a_bot_4sho 6mo agoA while back, Tesla gave me free FSD for a month and so I tried it out. It drove me to work just fine, and I was impressed. Then, on the way home it drove me home on the wrong side of the street and I had to take over. Such a silly mistake. Similar to what you said; from there on out, it was more trouble than it's worth because you can't let your guard down.
- gwbas1c 6mo agoThat was exactly my experience with the free trial. I figure if I'm going to have to pay thousands of dollars to still have to pay full attention when I drive, I might as well keep the money and drive the car. FWIW: My 2026 Huyndai's driver assistance is better than my old 2018 Tesla Model 3's enhanced autopilot.
- stringfood 6mo ago2026 hyundai driver assist is ok but the lines have to be very clearly defined on the road and won't do much under 25 mph
- robotresearcher 6mo agoSame here. Car took a left turn through an orange filter light, detected oncoming traffic and decided 'nope' to the turn and just ... stopped ... in the oncoming lanes. I find it less cognitive load to drive it myself. It's easier to predict what other vehicles will do than my own. Boo. I have sympathy with the challenges as I worked in the field.
- SilverSlash 6mo agoWas this a Tesla with HW3 or HW4? Also, was it in the US or outside the US?
- wofo 6mo agoSounds like babysitting an LLM, with the alarming difference that this AI can kill you if you are not paying enough attention
- tialaramex 6mo agoOh don't worry the LLMs absolutely can kill us, just slightly more indirectly. Triggering psychosis is not difficult and the LLM is easily capable of doing that. For a person they soon get freaked out and are likely to summon help. "Johnny started acting crazy and I'm not sure what to do, please come". But the LLM isn't a person, Johnny needs to know more about the CIA's programme to cross breed Venusians with Hollywood stars? Here's an itinerary with the address of a real hotel in LA and an entirely hallucinated CIA officer's schedule. Next thing you know, Johnny is shot dead by officers responding to a maniac with a fire axe who broke into an LA hotel and was screaming about space aliens.
- razingeden 6mo ago>Johnny is shot dead by officers responding to a maniac with a fire axe who broke into an LA hotel and was screaming about space aliens. I’m pretty sure LAPD is too used to this sort of thing to get spooked by it?
- Hikikomori 6mo agoThey'll shoot you for much less.
- wookmaster 6mo agoSame here phantom braking on the highway, randomly turned off in the middle of an intersection turn and didn’t get over in time for exit and decided to brake in the left lane to try and force over. While it was fun to try it’s not reliable for me to trust. That and If I lean my head the wrong direction resting it I start getting yelled at by it.
- iamjake648 6mo agoI hear this a lot, and I'm genuinely curious why you think it might take more energy to be on alert for tricky situations. Wouldn't you already be doing that for your own manual driving?
- whiplash451 6mo agoBecause constantly switching between full attention and degraded attention (which the FSD promises) is more tiring that staying on full attention continuously.
- rented_mule 6mo agoIt's easier to predict, understand, and react to your own driving behavior.
- californical 6mo agoI’m guessing that predicting the failure modes of a computer is more taxing than your brain using pattern recognition of what it needs to react to. If you’re driving, your brain can automatically prioritize the importance of things that you see. But since a computer fails in different ways than a human, you lose all automatic prioritization
- lateforwork 6mo agoThink about a junior coworker you offloaded some of your tasks to. It turns out the coworker frequently makes mistakes. At some point you are going to say it is easier to just do this myself. Especially if a single mistake can cost you your life!
- burnte 6mo agoThis is the real trick about 95% accurate or 99% accurate, if you never know when that 1% incident will occur, you ALWAYS have to watch for it. And eventually we'll have to live with the fact it'll never hit 100% accuracy, just as we don't have 100% accuracy today with human driving.
- jerlam 6mo agoIt's not just "tricky situations", sometimes FSD will do things that no normal driver would ever do, and it will do them inconsistently. Sometimes it's brilliant and sometimes it's drunk.
- elictronic 6mo agoThis was my experience. Kept getting told just try the new version. When I would the issues I had weren’t fixed and I bounced off it again. For very long trips it’s nice, but so is lane assist. It always had the feeling of being outside with your toddler by the pool. I can look away but I have 50/50 odds of a dead toddler if I do it for to long.
- ryandrake 6mo agoThis is what the Tesla fans have been saying for years. "Oh, you're on the previous software version, bro. You gotta try the latest version, bro, trust me bro it's so much better. FSD on the current version is totally working for me, bro." "Oh, you're on today's software version? Don't worry, bro, the next one is going to be so much better, just wait for it bro, trust me bro we're going to have working FSD in the next version, bro."
- Mawr 6mo agoBonus: Replacing "Tesla fans" with "AI fans" and "FSD" with "model" works too.
- slfnflctd 6mo agoThere are too many things that can go wrong, you should never look away from the road for more than a second or two. Adaptive cruise control, lane keeping, blind spot detection and emergency braking are all the modern automation I want in a personal vehicle at this point. Other drivers are unpredictable, I want to choose how I respond to their various forms of idiocy and not delegate to a black box.
- LightBug1 6mo agoExactly. Said it before and I'll say it again. I do not want to be the 'manager of my car'. That'd be a downgrade from being an actual driver. Lane Assist, auto-stop-start, cruise control are enough for me and have been available mostly for decades and require a similar amount of attention. FSD is a busted flush and I can't believe those who got conned by it aren't more vocal.
- dzhiurgis 6mo ago300k people subscribe every month tho.
- JPKab 6mo agoThis is where teaching my teenage son how to drive was a great preparation. Also my wife is not a great driver and I've been married to her for 20 years. Compared to either one of them, FSD is way less stressful and is a vastly better driver.