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I guess our conscience of OpenAI working with the Department of War has an expiry date of 6 weeks.
by desugun 6mo ago
I guess our conscience of OpenAI working with the Department of War has an expiry date of 6 weeks.
- adamtaylor_13 6mo agoMost people just want to use a tool that works. Not everything has to be a damn moral crusade.
- martimarkov 6mo agoYes, let take morality out of our daily lives as much as possible... That seems like a great categorical imperative and a recipe for social success
- adamtaylor_13 6mo agoThat's an incredibly uncharitable take on what I said. But that kind of proves my point. Foist your morality upon everyone else and burden them with your specific conscience; sounds like a fun time.
- some_furry 6mo agoYeah, why actually engage with moral issues when we can just defer to a status quo that happens to benefit me?
- freak42 6mo agoWhat is the charitable way to look at it then?
- adamtaylor_13 6mo agoHow about assuming the positive intent of what I actually said? Not everything has to be a moral crusade. Let me use the tool without pushing your personal moral opinions on me. The same person wringing their hands over OpenAI, buys clothing made from slave labor and wrote that comment using a device with rare earth materials gotten from slave labor. Why is OpenAI the line? Why are they allowed to "exploit people" and I'm not? Taken to its logical conclusion it's silly. And instead of engaging with that, they deflect with oH yEaH lEtS hAvE nO mOrAlS which is clearly not what I'm advocating.
- someguyiguess 6mo agoMy most charitable interpretation of what you are saying is: Two wrongs make a right. If others exploit people that makes it an acceptable thing for me to do. No one can criticize me for doing a bad thing because others also do bad things. Is that what you are saying? I genuinely cannot see how to interpret it in a way that is positive.
- cmrdporcupine 6mo agoThere's nothing moral about Anthropic. Especially to those of us who are not American citizens and to which Dario's pronouncements about ethics apparently do not apply, as stated in his own press release. To me it just looks like a big sanctimonious festival of hypocrisy.
- causal 6mo ago"Not everything" - sure, but mass surveillance and autonomous killing are kind of big things to sweep under that rug no?
- arcanemachiner 6mo agoThat number is generous, and is also a pretty decent lifespan for a socially-conscious gesture in 2026.
- Der_Einzige 6mo agoLonger than how long anyone cared about epstein.
- PunchTornado 6mo agoneah, I believe most people here, which immediately brag about codex, are openai employees doing part of their job. otherwise I couldn't possibly phantom why would anyone use codex. In my company 80% is claude and 15% gemini. you can barely see openai on the graph. and we have >5k programmers using ai every day.
- EQmWgw87pw 6mo agoI’m thinking the same thing, Codex literally ruined the codebases that I experimented with it on.
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- Klayy 6mo agoYou can believe whatever you want. I found claude unusable due to limits. Codex works very well for my use cases.
- scottyah 6mo agoOpenAI replaced its founding engineers with Meta PMs. The shift towards consumer engagement metrics and marketing is apparent.
- muyuu 6mo agoCurrently GPT just works much better, and so does Gemini but it's more expensive right now. Going through Opencode stats, their claim is that Gemini is the current best model followed by GPT 5.4 on their benchmarks, but the difference is slim. My personal experience is best with GPT but it could be the specific kind of work I use it for which is heavy on maths and cpp (and some LISP).
- Findeton 6mo agoWe all liked the Terminator movies. Hopefully the stay as movies.
- nothinkjustai 6mo agoNot everyone is American, and people who are not see Anthropic state they are willing to spy on our countries and shrug about OAI saying the same about America. What’s the difference to us?
- riffraff 6mo agoif you're not american you should be worried about the bit of using AI to kill people which was the other major objection by Anthropic. (not that I think the US DoD wouldn't do that anyway, ToS or not.)
- nothinkjustai 6mo agoNot only is Anthropic perfectly happy to let the DoD use their products to kill people, but they are partners with Palantir and were apparently instrumental in the strikes against Iran by the US military. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/03/04/anthropic-ai-iran-campaign/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/03/04/anthrop... So uh, yeah, the only difference I see between OAI and Anthropic is that one is more honest about what they’re willing to use their AI for.
- pdimitar 6mo agoOK, I am worried. Now, what can I actually do?
- ArmadilloGang 6mo agoVote with your dollar. Ask others to do the same and explain why. If we all did this, it might matter. There’s not a lot else an individual can do.
- cmrdporcupine 6mo agoDario in fact said it was ok to spy and drone non-US citizens, and in fact endorsed American foreign policy generally. So, no, I'm not voting with my wallet for one American country versus the other. I'll pick the best compromise product for me, and then also boost non-American R&D where I can.
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- cmrdporcupine 6mo agoThing is that Anthropic was always working with DoD, too, and the line in the sand they drew looked really noble until I found it didn't not apply to me, a non-US citizen. Dario made it clear that was the case. And so the difference, to me, was irrelevant. I'll buy based on value, and keep a poker in the fire of Chinese & European open weight models, as well.
- yoyohello13 6mo agoI quoted 2 weeks at the time. I think even that was generous.