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I agree with the general sentiment that the structure of society is going to change, but I don't know what the satisfying solution is. It's hard to imagine not

by airza 6mo ago

I agree with the general sentiment that the structure of society is going to change, but I don't know what the satisfying solution is. It's hard to imagine not participating will work, or even be financially viable for me, for long.

wedemmoez 6mo ago
I agree. I'm the AI luddite on my team of red team security engineers, but I'm still using it in very limited use cases. As much as I disagree with how the guardrails around AI are being handled, I still need to use it to stay relevant in my field and not get canned.
- hootz 6mo ago
  I'm already adding "Agentic Workflows" as a skill in my LinkedIn profile. Cringed hard at that, but oh well...
  - pydry 6mo ago
    What if the hiring managers at the jobs you'd actually prefer to work at also cringe when they see it on your profile?
    - hootz 6mo ago
      That's actually a really good point.
    - hn_throwaway_99 6mo ago
      It's becoming so ubiquitous, I highly doubt it. At worst I think a manager would just see it as fluff, but not a negative.
      - bluefirebrand 6mo ago
        I hope the hiring managers I would actually want to work for would see it as a red flag on resumes
        MarcelOlsz 6mo ago
        Why? It's just the name of the game, everyone gets it. Especially if you're a generalist/frontend type.
        bluefirebrand 6mo ago
        It's simply not a game I'm interested in playing. I'll find something else to do instead, leave the AI jockeying to others.
        pesus 6mo ago
        At this point, I'd assume those hiring managers are also being forced to use AI in their jobs (or pretend, at least) and probably wouldn't read too much into it if it's not a substantial portion of their resume. I do feel the same way, though.
      - pydry 6mo ago
        I asked coz know several managers who would look upon it as a red flag and I suspect OP would probably prefer to work for them rather than AI sheep.
- miltonlost 6mo ago
  I'm using claude but then refuse to do much cleaning up of what it spews. Im leaving that for the PR reviewers who love AI and going through slop. If they want slop, I'll give them the slop they want.
  - whstl 6mo ago
    Not advocating that people should follow this but: As someone that loves cleaning up code, I'm actually asking the vibe coders in the team (designer, PM and SEO guy) to just give me small PRs and then I clean up instead of reviewing. I know they will just put the text back in code anyway, so it's less work for me to refactor it. With a caveat: if they give me >1000 lines or too many features in the same PR, I ask them to reduce the scope, sometimes to start from scratch. And I also started doing this with another engineer: no review cycle, we just clean up each other's code and merge. I'm honestly surprised at how much I prefer this to the traditional structure of code reviews. Additionally, I don't have to follow Jira tickets with lengthy SEO specs or "please change this according to Figma". They just the changes themselves and we go on with our lives.
    - grvdrm 6mo ago
      Favorited. I was talking to someone (non-dev) yesterday who prototypes with Claude and then goes back/forth with the lead engineer to clean it up and make it production worthy (or at least more robust). I like that model.
  - kelzier 6mo ago
    I thought the de facto policy was that the individual remains responsible in a team context.
    - notpachet 6mo ago
      Sweet summer child.
    - duskdozer 6mo ago
      That attitude is so last-month, get with the program!
chungusamongus 6mo ago
That's exactly it. This person does not understand the coercive competition of the market. If you don't use new tech, you are going to be undercut by people who do. And every HR dept is going to expect to to have experience with AI even if the department that’s hiring doesn't really use it. If the author's supposed solution to the problem has negative personal consequences, why would you do it? To be nice?
- miltonlost 6mo ago
  Because I don't like the feeling my conscience gives me by doing something I think is evil and bad. Some people have moral lines that they won't cross when finding jobs. If my competitors are filling their flour with sawdust, guess I got to just do the same?
  - fnimick 6mo ago
    No, we won't do the same, but enough people will that it doesn't matter. Such is the way it goes.
  - nradov 6mo ago
    Your moral compass is skewed. Customers don't care what tools we use, they just want products that work. Is a wheat farmer who ploughs a field with horses more moral than one who uses a tractor? The resulting flour tastes the same either way.
  - Glemllksdf 6mo ago
    Its not the same. Its clearly shit to replace flour with sawdust. Having different opinions on AI/LLMs doesn't make the use of it the same as replacing flour with sawdust. The AI 'image' slop for example, i don't think its bad. But i also don't think it takes anything from a real artist. It takes jobs from people with drawing skills but it doesn't change anything for an artist.
- throwanem 6mo ago
  No. I'm doing it because I care more whether I can live with myself than whether I impress people with the name of who I work for. Hence much of my recent comment history here, for example. I don't want any of these people getting the idea they should want me to work with them, either. I do want my name on every industry blacklist I can possibly get it on. Those will eventually be revealed - remember Franklin's dictum, fellas! That shit always comes out in the end - and I look forward to that day with pleased and eager anticipation. At the moment I'm more looking at menial work for one of the local universities. Money is money, and my needs are small; the work is honest, I still should have a decade or so of physical labor left in me, and it carries the perk of free tuition for the degree I never had time for. I would have the time and energy to write, perhaps, even! And, however badly the people in charge are running things lately, the world will always need someone good at cleaning a toilet. (And I am already pretty good at cleaning a toilet!)

by airza 6mo ago

wedemmoez 6mo ago

I agree. I'm the AI luddite on my team of red team security engineers, but I'm still using it in very limited use cases. As much as I disagree with how the guardrails around AI are being handled, I still need to use it to stay relevant in my field and not get canned.

hootz 6mo ago
I'm already adding "Agentic Workflows" as a skill in my LinkedIn profile. Cringed hard at that, but oh well...
- pydry 6mo ago
  What if the hiring managers at the jobs you'd actually prefer to work at also cringe when they see it on your profile?
  - hootz 6mo ago
    That's actually a really good point.
  - hn_throwaway_99 6mo ago
    It's becoming so ubiquitous, I highly doubt it. At worst I think a manager would just see it as fluff, but not a negative.
    - bluefirebrand 6mo ago
      I hope the hiring managers I would actually want to work for would see it as a red flag on resumes
      - MarcelOlsz 6mo ago
        Why? It's just the name of the game, everyone gets it. Especially if you're a generalist/frontend type.
        bluefirebrand 6mo ago
        It's simply not a game I'm interested in playing. I'll find something else to do instead, leave the AI jockeying to others.
      - pesus 6mo ago
        At this point, I'd assume those hiring managers are also being forced to use AI in their jobs (or pretend, at least) and probably wouldn't read too much into it if it's not a substantial portion of their resume. I do feel the same way, though.
    - pydry 6mo ago
      I asked coz know several managers who would look upon it as a red flag and I suspect OP would probably prefer to work for them rather than AI sheep.
miltonlost 6mo ago
I'm using claude but then refuse to do much cleaning up of what it spews. Im leaving that for the PR reviewers who love AI and going through slop. If they want slop, I'll give them the slop they want.
- whstl 6mo ago
  Not advocating that people should follow this but: As someone that loves cleaning up code, I'm actually asking the vibe coders in the team (designer, PM and SEO guy) to just give me small PRs and then I clean up instead of reviewing. I know they will just put the text back in code anyway, so it's less work for me to refactor it. With a caveat: if they give me >1000 lines or too many features in the same PR, I ask them to reduce the scope, sometimes to start from scratch. And I also started doing this with another engineer: no review cycle, we just clean up each other's code and merge. I'm honestly surprised at how much I prefer this to the traditional structure of code reviews. Additionally, I don't have to follow Jira tickets with lengthy SEO specs or "please change this according to Figma". They just the changes themselves and we go on with our lives.
  - grvdrm 6mo ago
    Favorited. I was talking to someone (non-dev) yesterday who prototypes with Claude and then goes back/forth with the lead engineer to clean it up and make it production worthy (or at least more robust). I like that model.
- kelzier 6mo ago
  I thought the de facto policy was that the individual remains responsible in a team context.
  - notpachet 6mo ago
    Sweet summer child.
  - duskdozer 6mo ago
    That attitude is so last-month, get with the program!

chungusamongus 6mo ago

That's exactly it. This person does not understand the coercive competition of the market. If you don't use new tech, you are going to be undercut by people who do. And every HR dept is going to expect to to have experience with AI even if the department that’s hiring doesn't really use it. If the author's supposed solution to the problem has negative personal consequences, why would you do it? To be nice?

miltonlost 6mo ago
Because I don't like the feeling my conscience gives me by doing something I think is evil and bad. Some people have moral lines that they won't cross when finding jobs. If my competitors are filling their flour with sawdust, guess I got to just do the same?
- fnimick 6mo ago
  No, we won't do the same, but enough people will that it doesn't matter. Such is the way it goes.
- nradov 6mo ago
  Your moral compass is skewed. Customers don't care what tools we use, they just want products that work. Is a wheat farmer who ploughs a field with horses more moral than one who uses a tractor? The resulting flour tastes the same either way.
- Glemllksdf 6mo ago
  Its not the same. Its clearly shit to replace flour with sawdust. Having different opinions on AI/LLMs doesn't make the use of it the same as replacing flour with sawdust. The AI 'image' slop for example, i don't think its bad. But i also don't think it takes anything from a real artist. It takes jobs from people with drawing skills but it doesn't change anything for an artist.
throwanem 6mo ago
No. I'm doing it because I care more whether I can live with myself than whether I impress people with the name of who I work for. Hence much of my recent comment history here, for example. I don't want any of these people getting the idea they should want me to work with them, either. I do want my name on every industry blacklist I can possibly get it on. Those will eventually be revealed - remember Franklin's dictum, fellas! That shit always comes out in the end - and I look forward to that day with pleased and eager anticipation. At the moment I'm more looking at menial work for one of the local universities. Money is money, and my needs are small; the work is honest, I still should have a decade or so of physical labor left in me, and it carries the perk of free tuition for the degree I never had time for. I would have the time and energy to write, perhaps, even! And, however badly the people in charge are running things lately, the world will always need someone good at cleaning a toilet. (And I am already pretty good at cleaning a toilet!)