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Two big tech FAANG jobs, org is 95% h1b engineers from china/india. Tons of resumes from american grads somehow never hit my desk, continue to interview random
by mikert89 6mo ago
Two big tech FAANG jobs, org is 95% h1b engineers from china/india. Tons of resumes from american grads somehow never hit my desk, continue to interview random candidates from india with some low quality USA masters from missisipi state. Candidate has spent the last year locked in a room memorizing algorithm interview questions
- Madmallard 6mo agoWhy are we letting tech companies in the USA do this?
- mikert89 6mo agohonestly i have no idea, in some cases, they are working weekends/are hyper focused on extremely boring, somewhat manual work. some of the systems are complicated and break constantly, so they are almost just oncall fodder for manually fixing a constantly breaking high scale service
- ang_cire 6mo agoBecause we live in a techno-oligarchy now? Because the leaders of the top tech companies (by revenue) literally sat behind the President at his inauguration? Because they can afford to buy the 'right' to do what they want, and you can't, and what they want is cheaper labor who they have more control over, and H1B workers will never rock the boat because the visa is a sword hanging over their heads. Downvote all you want, it's the truth.
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- dozerly 6mo agoYou can’t just write off everyone downvoting you for being conspiratorial as government plants lol
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- layer8 6mo agoIt’s arguably consistent with the past: https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/essays/history-times-nation-immigrants https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/essays/histo...
- raincole 6mo agoTo do what, attract talents from the rest of the world?
- lateforwork 6mo agoBecause if we didn't we wouldn't have a tech industry? The main problem with immigrant talent in computer field is that legislators don't understand the difference between IT and Tech product development jobs. IT jobs don't need immigrant talent, so companies like Accenture, Infosys etc. should not be given H-1B visas. But tech companies like Google, Meta, Apple, OpenAI etc. absolutely need immigrant talent, or they will lose to Chinese competitors.
- shimman 6mo agoWe had a tech industry prior to H1Bs before the 90s. What we didn't have was Silicon Valley corporatism that doesn't value American labor nor American education. It's why SV is so gun-ho on charter schools and devaluing American labor. Let's not act like we need to import 80k "high tech" workers that amount to writing react components and spring endpoints. Hardly anything hard that we couldn't force companies to train workers to do, but they don't want to ever help people they just want to suck up all the money in the room while decimating entire populations.zzzzzzz Also, as an American I don't really benefit if US corporations are doing "better." How does that help the person that can't pay for healthcare or afford to go to school, but they sure can get their serving of Zuckerberg slop? I'm supposed to care about these companies success? Really? I hope they go down in flames. The problem is that the rich and elite have captured and dictated American tech policy for far too long.
- thesmtsolver2 6mo agoDo you share the same thoughts for blue collar immigrants?
- shimman 6mo agoNo, because blue collar immigrants aren't working for cartels that hold deeply undemocratic views.
- munksbeer 6mo agoIt is interesting to see the different views on immigration. Here in the UK, leading up to the brexit vote, everyone said blue collar workers were the problem, because they depressed wages for the poor and made the middle class richer because they could build cheaper houses, pick cheaper crops, etc. In Singapore, the rage is mostly against higher earner immigrants, because they take all the good jobs, making the middle class in Singapore poorer. I'm sensing a bit of a mix in your US centric argument. All in all, a lot of people just hate immigration, always have, always will. It is a topic as old as time.
- Spooky23 6mo agoIt generates economic activity and taxes in the US and suppresses wages. Most of the H1 candidates are in shitty roles that are well defined low/moderate skill jobs for giant companies. Hire people whom you can’t actively exploit and those are the kind of jobs where unions can organize. The alternative is offshoring the work, not hiring Americans. The smart thing would be to just let people immigrate. Instead we have a weird tiered system with a small number of highly skilled specialists and an army of serfs facing deportation if they piss off the bosses.
- ethanwillis 6mo agoOffshoring isn't a given. It's simply permitted.
- Longlius 6mo agoThen offshore the work. Americans aren't getting the jobs anyway and the imported labor now competes for things like groceries, gas, housing, etc. which drives up prices.
- Spooky23 6mo ago.
- Longlius 6mo agoKeep up with that rhetoric. I'm sure it will go well for you come election season.
- ethanwillis 6mo ago"listless rednecks" Yea, keep that same energy and see how it plays out.
- ethanwillis 6mo agoJust so people know since the user above wanted to edit their comment away to hide how they really see things. It was this: "They also pay the social security and Medicare taxes so listless rednecks can collect SSDI for being unable to work."
- bigyabai 6mo agoWhy would we stop them? Labor is a free market.
- throwaway422432 6mo agoIt's not just the USA, all Western countries are on a path of mass immigration: software, engineering and health services in particular. A big factor has been diversity quotas to make organisations DSG numbers meet the requirements of institutional investors, political pressure and activists. Problem is: pushing diversity into traditional male roles didn't result in boys diversifying into non-traditional roles such as nursing and teaching, and now you have those other roles being filled with immigrants to make up for the shortfall. And those immigrants don't care for diversity.
- seanmcdirmid 6mo agoI’ve seen two interns through to FTE jobs at a FAANG, both were at least second generation immigrants (so citizens I guess, though I never asked). So kids are still getting jobs, they come from reasonable universities, I haven’t seen UW resumes yet (my Alma mater), for some reasons those kids are all scooped up before I can take a look (I work at an office in Seattle so I find it weird that we can hire from the local university).
- mikert89 6mo agothe weird thing is seeing american kids from a top 20 american school (duke, carnegie melon, etc) mixed with a much larger majority of h1bs from absolute no name schools. its almost like the bar for americans is higher
- tennisflyi 6mo ago100% is
- y0eswddl 6mo agoAmericans are more expensive. More pressure to justify yourself these days.
- mikert89 6mo agono they get paid the same
- seanmcdirmid 6mo agoI guess it’s different since I mostly deal with interns. But I haven’t noticed a lot of H1s being hire at my FAANG, at least ones that are obviously F1? We aren’t an AI tech group or anything like that. I was on a Z (working) visa in China for 9 years though. I knew an H1 in another group from an obviously second rate school in China and a masters from a no name in America. He was pretty successful in his career so I guess school brand doesn’t mean that much. Likewise when I was in China some of the PhDs from second rate Chinese universities also did very well.
- throwaway422432 6mo agoI think the issue could also be this: - Tech or engineering company hires foreign resident engineer. - That engineer works their way up in the company to a position where they are in control of hiring. - They hire more people like them. We used to accuse start-ups for hiring for cultural fit (people like them) which looked like sexism and ageism. Same thing, different group.
- pojzon 6mo agoOne rabin says “preference” another says “discrimination”. At this point everyone should know “cultural fit” is synonymous to “preference”/“discrimination”.
- tennisflyi 6mo agoYup. ATS has always been a problem. Even worse with AI
- clapthewind 6mo agoDSA itself may now not be as indicative, but grinding is absolutely a key trait in good hires. That type of person will put in very effort at work.