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Heh, lucky you, at least you get a message. My ISP just drops traffic to the affected IPs. No ping, no traceroute, just a spinner in the browser until it says "
by danirod 6mo ago
Heh, lucky you, at least you get a message. My ISP just drops traffic to the affected IPs. No ping, no traceroute, just a spinner in the browser until it says "page not found".
Every response and comment from LaLiga, the football organization responsible for this, has been so far that this is a minor issue that only affects a few bunch of nerds who talk about "docker images" or "github repositories" or "whatever that means".
Meanwhile, there are testimonies of smart home devices like anti-theft alarms or automatic doors, that stop working whenever there is a football match, because their backends rely on Cloudflare.
Last week, a woman asked for help on social media, as the GPS tracking app she uses to see where her father with dementia is, went offline during a match. It was getting late and he still wasn't back home, and she couldn't locate the tag he was wearing to find him: https://www.infobae.com/america/agencias/2026/04/05/laliga-desmiente-que-sus-sistemas-antipirateria-hayan-hecho-fallar-un-dispositivo-de-localizacion-personal/ https://www.infobae.com/america/agencias/2026/04/05/laliga-d...
It's hard to say this, because no one should experience an event like this, but as stressful as these are, it's the only way to make the mainstream people care about this censorship. "I cannot pull a docker image" will never be on nightly news, but safety and personal security is a more powerful driver for discourses.
- freetanga 6mo agoAll people affected should file a complaint with your ISP and with Oficina de Atención al Usuario de Telecomunicaciones claiming financial loss for arbitrary service censorship.
- pixl97 6mo agoYep, flood them with complaints.
- bakugo 6mo agoSadly, it won't accomplish anything. La Liga seems to have enough political power in the country to bury all of that. Probably bribing everyone involved.
- cluckindan 6mo agoCorruption at that level could mean organized crime. Is there a culture of betting through illegal bookies, are they fixing matches, or ¿porque no los dos?
- embedding-shape 6mo agoWell, I think when the organized crime is registered as proper businesses and they have the judges on their side even if the law isn't, I think we just call that "for-profit capitalism" nowadays.
- dualvariable 6mo agopenalti para el real madrid!
- cdelsolar 6mo agoreal vardrid
- hunterpayne 6mo agoNo, its worse than that. If you wish, learn about FIFA and how it works. At least the mafia fears the government somewhat...FIFA doesn't.
- hdgvhicv 6mo agoFIFA makes the mafia look like a bake sale committee
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- embedding-shape 6mo agoI've been filing complaints since a year ago, told others to do the same too, nothing happens. There been moments I've meant to deploy fixes to issues but I cannot, because some tooling goes offline. I've claimed financial loss, claimed sanity loss and everything in-between, but I'm afraid unless something reaches the European/EU courts, Spain will continue to be in the pocket of the La Liga owners. Straight up fucking censorship with wide collateral being completely accepted in a Western country in 2026, beyond comprehension how this is allowed.
- lentil_soup 6mo agohow do you make claims, here: https://usuariosteleco.digital.gob.es/ https://usuariosteleco.digital.gob.es/? Can't find a way of doing it with Cl@ve
- GranPC 6mo agoI think this is it: https://reg.redsara.es/#login https://reg.redsara.es/#login
- embedding-shape 6mo agoI've used this: https://usuariosteleco.digital.gob.es/reclamaciones/telefonia-e-internet https://usuariosteleco.digital.gob.es/reclamaciones/telefoni... Used my digital certificate (which is installed in the browser), but AFAIK, you can use Cl@ve on that page above too. In the past, I've cited BOE-A-2022-10757 (https://www.boe.es/buscar/act.php?id=BOE-A-2022-10757 https://www.boe.es/buscar/act.php?id=BOE-A-2022-10757), done a reclamació for the repeated loss of lawful access on my connection, and a denúncia about a broader overblocking practice affecting access to lawful services. Also, supposedly, we should be able to make claims to CNMC as well, but haven't figured out how. Also of course, been complaining to my ISP every time it happens too.
- ryandrake 6mo agoWhenever I get a little down over how much power unelected corporations have in my country, I can at least cheer myself up a little by being thankful that something as stupid as football doesn't have enough power here to control whether or not I have internet access.
- loloquwowndueo 6mo agoIt would be great if there was a webpage with clear instructions on how to do this, maybe fill out a few questions and get a printable pdf you can mail, or at least telling you how to file an online complaint. Making complaints very low friction will lead to more of those and perhaps more attention to the issue. Snail mail uses up physical space so it might get more attention, it would be hilarious to see news reports of truckloads of complaint mail being dumped in front of the whatever office.
- embedding-shape 6mo ago> It would be great if there was a webpage with clear instructions on how to do this, maybe fill out a few questions and get a printable pdf you can mail, or at least telling you how to file an online complaint. Making complaints very low friction will lead to more of those and perhaps more attention to the issue. This is a great idea, we definitively should make this happen! If people are curious on collaborating on something, reach out, email in profile (English or Spanish emails welcome!).
- estebarb 6mo agoAt this point the protests should be against the matches themselves. But let's be honest: nobody cares anymore.
- bluecalm 6mo agoIt's Spain man. Nothing will happen, maybe they will call their buddies in La Liga to ask what's up if the complains pile up and then will ignore all of them if they are assured everything works as expected.
- pxc 6mo ago> Heh, lucky you, at least you get a message. My ISP just drops traffic to the affected IPs. No ping, no traceroute, just a spinner in the browser until it says "page not found". This is generally how the GFW works in China. Instead of an overbearing nanny like a school or corporation's DNS blocker, you're left with a sense that you're on a version of the Internet that is just intermittently and somewhat mysteriously broken. And indeed, in China, a lot of things that probably aren't fully intended to be blocked are not reliably accessible. Implementation varies, so you get strange routing and peering issues. It feels like an Internet that isn't fully formed, that hasn't finished coming together yet. Nation states and corporations obviously gain some things sometimes by having Internet censorship/blocking frameworks in place. Maybe, sometimes, ordinary people even benefit, too, if it helps shut down illegal and genuinely harmful businesses. But it feels like the whole world is gradually trending towards more and more Internet censorship without realizing that we are un-building a miraculous thing that took enormous effort and cleverness and expense to build. I wish we could think about this not only in terms of freedom (and we absolutely should think about it in terms of freedom), but how we are disintegrating the infrastructure of communication and computing.
- nrds 6mo ago> a version of the Internet that is just intermittently and somewhat mysteriously broken. That's actually just how the Internet is. Nothing to do with the great firewall.
- RiverCrochet 6mo agoYour last paragraph: it is sad. But we had successful global networks before the Internet (the PSTN, telegraph) and we'll certainly have global networks after this at some point in human history. Perhaps in the the time between the Internet and what's next, the world will become a bit more mature about a few things.
- mschuster91 6mo ago> But we had successful global networks before the Internet (the PSTN, telegraph) These were ripe with espionage, wiretapping and sabotage. Access to it used to be highly restricted as well, up until the 90s for example you were only allowed to connect government-licensed modems to the German PSTN directly.
- the_gipsy 6mo agoIt's ridiculous and wrong what LaLiga does. But it's also a weakeup call to consider ditching cloudflare's centralization.
- estebank 6mo agoThe companies relying on cloudflare won't be in Spain. If you buy a GPS tracker by a Canadian company, developed in India, manufactured in China, they are unlikely to know, even it they cared, that a single country that accounts for a tiny percentage of their sales breaks fundamental internet infrastructure on the regular "because fútbol y dinero". And when purchasing a product, there's no "bill of materials" telling you about the services it relies on, beyond "internet connection" at best.
- encom 6mo ago>fundamental internet infrastructure I'm not saying this situation isn't bullshit, but the bigger problem is that CloudFlare is now "fundamental internet infrastructure". This is precisely the situation that the internet was designed to prevent. Yesterday I got stuck in endless CloudFlare CAPTCHA's, trying to access theretroweb.com. I had to give up. Many such cases. I hate CloudFlare so much, it's unreal.
- embedding-shape 6mo ago> This is precisely the situation that the internet was designed to prevent Right, but on the other hand, our constitution and laws are supposed to give us the rights to access a internet where the government cannot block entire companies who host websites, because a few bad websites are hosted there. Not to mention all us freelancers, contractors and just in general computing users, who sometimes want to continue working although 90% of the country is watching football, we should be able to do so even if pirates use Cloudflare for shitty stuff. I agree that Cloudflare sucks, people should avoid defaulting to putting Cloudflare in front of absolutely everything they do and I too get stuck at the CAPTCHAs sometimes. But that doesn't remove the fact that Cloudflare, just like every other lawful company, should be allowed to be visited during La Liga matches.
- boredatoms 6mo agoPerhaps its time to put a VPN into all your CI jobs
- tryauuum 6mo agoYou can't fight political issues with clever technical solutions
- psychoslave 6mo agoThat's actually part of rebellion modus operandi, so totally something realistic. But not within the frame of law and not in the sweet position of someone away from the "I'll die for the just cause" mindset.
- tryauuum 6mo agocan you rephrase your idea please. What's realistic, fighting stupid laws or corporations with a VPN? Yes, but not for long. They are always stronger than you, they can switch from blacklisting to whitelisting and your VPN becomes useless. What is this "sweet position" you talk about?
- psychoslave 6mo agoSorry for being unclear. I was trying to refer to an actual rebel position, which is actors which use illegal practices to achieve their goals agaisnt institutions in place. Which might have the cool attitude imagery attached to it, but which is certainly not an easy one in reality.
- peanut-walrus 6mo agoYes you can. Fight with clever technical solutions and the politics will follow once the solution becomes common or displays its usefulness. It is in fact the most effective way to fight dumb political issues.
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- tobz1000 6mo ago> there are testimonies of smart home devices like anti-theft alarms or automatic doors, that stop working whenever [...] because their backends rely on Cloudflare. The fault here lies 100% with horribly designed IoT devices that turn into bricks when they lose internet connection.
- shibapuppie 6mo agoYeah the horribly designed alarm system that can't alert a central authority that something has gone wrong. Maybe we should just put huge air raid sirens on our homes instead?
- subscribed 6mo agoIn this case it would be a huge air siren on the list father's head when his tracker is blocked form the upstream. What a wonderful idea!
- xp84 6mo agoWho cares if she can’t find her elderly father? A small price to pay to preserve the stratospheric prices on football TV rights!!!!
- vasco 6mo agoThe thing is it doesn't protect anything. All it does is funnel money to VPN providers
- xp84 6mo agoIt does something: the people who pay for the TV rights threaten the league or whoever if they don’t try to push for this type of BS. It’s not about whether it’s actually effective at stopping those who do pirate. It’s about placating whatever media conglomerate paid €XXX million for those TV rights.
- matheusmoreira 6mo ago> Every response and comment from LaLiga, the football organization responsible for this, has been so far that this is a minor issue that only affects a few bunch of nerds who talk about "docker images" or "github repositories" or "whatever that means". Translation: go away kid, we're trying to make money here.
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