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US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached
- chirau 6mo agohttps://archive.is/gWW5N https://archive.is/gWW5N
- OhioMan2943 6mo ago[flagged]
- worthless-trash 6mo ago[flagged]
- dietr1ch 6mo agoAre you talking about the US or Iran?
- worthless-trash 6mo agoUnless i read the request incorrectly, iran.
- chii 6mo agoTo the surprise of no one.
- ndiddy 6mo agoAli Gholhaki, an Iranian journalist who often publishes first-hand news about impending developments with the IRGC, has reported that the US's demands were the removal of Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium, no nuclear enrichment whatsoever, and US management of the Strait of Hormuz. In exchange they were not offering any commitment regarding Lebanon. https://x.com/aghplt/status/2043092254416605522 https://x.com/aghplt/status/2043092254416605522 Given that the US failed to seize Iran's uranium stockpile and failed to open the Strait of Hormuz militarily, I find it bizarre that they thought they would have any sort of leverage at the negotiating table regarding these demands. All the peace talks did was lower oil prices a bit for a few days.
- postsantum 6mo agoIt looks like a face-saving effort rather than negotiations. Especially considering Vance arrived with his supervisors
- drnick1 6mo ago> Given that the US failed to seize Iran's uranium stockpile and failed to open the Strait of Hormuz militarily The U.S. hasn't even come close to trying to seize the uranium and open the Straight militarily. When a country had most of its air force and navy destroyed, it is not in a position to demand anything. The Iranians have some missiles and drones left, but they are increasingly isolated and on their last legs economically. These "talks" have to be understood as a negotiated surrender that would leave what is left of the regime in place in exchange for complete disarmament.
- ElProlactin 6mo agoComments like this ignore all the lessons from Vietnam and, to a large extent, Afghanistan. There's a reason "the U.S. hasn't even come close to trying to seize the uranium and open the Straight militarily".
- megamike 6mo ago"History does not repeat itself, it rhymes"
- __patchbit__ 6mo agoBigWar and BigAI may install surprise on the storyline.
- mempko 6mo agoIran has showed it's neighbors something powerful which is US military can not protect you. The damage Iran did to us military bases is under reported.
- bawolff 6mo agoNot really surprising to me. Neither side had really backed down from their conflicting demands, at least publicly (albeit keeping track of what trumps public position is, is basically impossible). Maybe something different was being said privately, but it really seemed unlikely a deal would be reached. Not to mention the constraints US is under from its partners. Even if US wants to wrap things up and is willing to give Iran whatever it wants to get that, i can't imagine that gulf countries would be thrilled by iran essentially taxing their oil exports, and Israel seems pretty intent on finishing off Hezbollah. USA might have significant influence among its partners, but they aren't its puppets and are unlikely to go along with plans significantly against their own interests just because america said so.
- dh2022 6mo agoJD Vance will find himself under the proverbial bus in 3, 2, …
- petesergeant 6mo agoHe’s the one guy Trump can’t fire though
- ElProlactin 6mo agoHe doesn't want to fire him. He wants to scapegoat him and make him unelectable in 28.
- dh2022 6mo agoGenuinely interested: why not? Thanks!
- wat10000 6mo agoThe Vice President is an elected official just like the President. He doesn’t work for the President and he’s not subordinate, he just has almost no power. The only way to remove a VP is death or impeachment. I suppose the President could induce death, but that’s not really firing per se.
- padjo 6mo agoHe could literally throw him under a bus and not suffer any legal consequences. It's probably 50/50 whether or not senate Republican would vote to impeach him after that.
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- Epa095 6mo agoBecause he is the elected vice president, he answers to the people, not the president.
- gmokki 6mo agoThe negotiatons can be considered a big success because Israeli leaders did not order the murder of the negotiators this time. This will open doors for more realistic negotiations in the future.
- surgical_fire 6mo agoI think that murdering the negotiators on Pakistani soil would risk bringing a very big country that has nukes to the conflict, and they would not be siding with Israel. Israel is vile enough to want to do this, but probably not suicidal enough to actually do this.
- FunnyUsername 6mo agoHitler regularly negotiated with other leaders, should he have been off-limits as a target? Why should it be any different with Hamas leaders, who sometimes negotiate and sometimes organize terror attacks?
- beloch 6mo ago“The bad news is that we have not reached an agreement, and I think that’s bad news for Iran much more than it’s bad news for the United States of America,” Vance said. “So we go back to the United States having not come to an agreement. We’ve made very clear what our red lines are.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/12/jd-vance-says-no-deal-us-iran-pakistan-talks-islamabad https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/12/jd-vance-says-... -------------- It was clear the U.S. was not serious about these negotiations when they sent Vance. It's also clear the U.S. doesn't have the cards to end this conflict by force. They can use drones to clear the straight of Hormuz of mines, but that won't address all the other methods Iran has to threaten shipping. Any military measure short of the full occupation of Iran will likely fail to reopen the straight. The U.S. plainly lacks the resources to occupy a country four times the size of Iraq without allies, and the Iranians know it. The U.S. is going to have to bend on some of its red lines and actually negotiate in order to reach a deal. Many countries are standing back and waiting for the Americans to fix their own mess, but for how long will they wait? At what point do these nations lose patience with the constant economic disruption and look for coercive measures to force the U.S. back to the table?
- kumarvvr 6mo ago> when they sent Vance It was Iran's demand that they will not speak to Witkoff or Kushner, who were the original morons in this fiasco. They wanted only Vance on the table, most likely because he was against this war and has kept himself away from the whole thing. > They can use drones to clear the straight of Hormuz of mines, but that won't address all the other methods Iran has to threaten shipping Iran does not have to even mine or bomb the strait. Them just declaring that they will hit is enough to stop traffic. > Any military measure short of the full occupation of Iran will likely fail to reopen the straight I highly doubt even this. Iranian drones have a range of about 1000 km. They can continue to block the strait, even with a ground force. Not to mention that ground forces blitzing through the whole territory will take at-least a year, if not more. That is enough time to plunge the whole world into a recession. > At what point do these nations lose patience with the constant economic disruption and look for coercive measures to force the U.S. back to the table? Most nations cannot coerce the US, at least not Trump. What they will most likely do is have secret or open deals with Iran to let their oil through, with a toll tax of course.
- kumarvvr 6mo agoWhat leverage does US actually have here? Even Israel for that matter? The only options left for US are large scale bombing, like in Vietnam or Cambodia OR putting soldiers on the ground. Going on for years. Or drop a nuke. Bombing will be of limited use and extremely costly, because is Iran is too large. Its a geographical fortress, mostly large mountain ranges, or deserts. Soldiers on the ground means a large scale logistics setup, bases, buildup, etc. Its costly and deadly. US soldiers will start dying from day 1. And then, Iran has total control over the strait. It can decimate the livable conditions in the GCC countries. Mind you, Iran gets about 5% of its water from desalination plants. Almost all GCC countries get more than 50%, sometimes upto 85% of their water from desalination plants. Couple that with hits on their power infra, and the population will be left thirsty in the middle of the desert. None of them can survive without their Air conditioners and water supply. With those countries dying out, Iran emerges as the super power in the region.
- bawolff 6mo ago> What leverage does US actually have here? Even Israel for that matter? Arguably, in a continous war setting Iran eventually runs out of money to pay its soldiers or build new misiles. Especially if their oil facilities are bombed. I dont think iran can physically keep this up long term. The counter balance to that is usa cannot keep this up politically even in the short term.
- kumarvvr 6mo agoThe money thing is true. But China and Russia will extend support. Iran is collecting about 2 million USD from each vessel through the strait. And they are about 50 passing through them each day. That's 100 million USD per day. Or about 30 odd Bullion USD per year. Plenty of money to spend on war and some more. Not to mention the money it earns from selling it's oil and blocking GCC oil.
- YZF 6mo agoRussia is in no position to support anyone. See their support of their friend Assad where they actually had military presence. They'll provide intelligence and targeting info like they've been doing. China doesn't seem that interested to help the regime. They'll get their oil from any regime. They'll sell them stuff but I don't see them paying the salaries of the IRGC. There are not 50 vessels passing per day and also the US is now threatening a blockade. If Iran's oil terminal is bombed as is the threat then it's unlikely Iran will allow other vessels through. Likely most of the few vessels that are passing today are carrying Iranian oil. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3w39lg84w2o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3w39lg84w2o 19 ships since the ceasefire by 17:00 BST on 10 April.
- submeta 6mo agoNegotiation was just a pretext for preparing ground troops. Netanjahu is calling the shots here. Not Trump who sent (his son in law) Kushner and Wittkoff to „negotiate“, Kushner, whose parents have hosted Netanyahu whenever he visited the US. And he doesn’t want the war to end. He wants to destroy Iran‘s industrial infrastructure. And while this war is not over, he and Israeli figures are hinting at their next target: Türkiye.
- swarnie 6mo agoWhy would you even agree to talks if your starting negotiation position is going to be so unreasonable, its pointless. Attempting to deny a country security in the form of controlling their own water ways, controlling their own energy independence or holding a deterrent to prevent genocidal neighbours from attacking is simply wrong.
- __patchbit__ 6mo agoGaza is the reservation for Arabs and Aryans
- rGqt187 6mo agoThat was expected. The previous article in the NYT about internal opposition against Trump's war policies, which specifically protected Vance, was a farce and probably a deliberate fake leak. Vance has a big mouth about isolationism, but will follow the permanent bureaucracy like anyone else. The Iran war was on the agenda since 1979, they just needed someone crazy enough to do it when Russia is weakened. The agenda 2025 wants to hurt Europe and China, so that goal is reached by a prolonged war. The EU leaders are children who are too stupid to negotiate on their own. The EU press is owned by pro-US corporations, like Springer in Germany that makes journalists sign an agreement that "Atlanticism" is one of the core values of "Die Welt" and "Bild". Previously Green party anti-war magazines like TAZ have gone neocon. Unfortunately, "Atlanticism" is a one way street. We are now in the situation that the US threatens the EU to withdraw from NATO when it cannot even protect the Gulf States. The EU "leaders" nod fearfully and isolate themselves from all of Asia and the Middle East instead of negotiating on their own.
- ActorNightly 6mo agoHope yall are ready for the decade of terrorist attacks against US.
- ur-whale 6mo agohttps://archive.is/gWW5N https://archive.is/gWW5N
- megamike 6mo agoWhat China Just Learned From the Iran War: Beijing watched America bomb Iran and drew its own conclusions about red lines, deterrence, and Taiwan. The lessons are not the ones Washington wants China to learn: A blockade of Taiwan would hurt the global economy more than Iran’s blockade of the Strait of Hormuz. https://www.theatlantic.com/national-security/2026/04/china-taiwan-trump-iran-war/686738/ https://www.theatlantic.com/national-security/2026/04/china-...
- scoofy 6mo agoWhy do articles like this get written that pretend that governments are dumb? Iran knew what an oil disruption would do, that’s why they did it. China knows what a semiconductor blockade would do. That’s why they’ve done a dozen practice runs.
- M95D 6mo agoWhat blocade? The invasion will be over in a day, or a weekend at most. On Monday, business as usual.
- megamike 6mo agoThe US is wasting time and resources in overseas conflicts, National security should be built on domestic strength, specifically by securing our power grid and reducing global oil dependence. We have the technology, tools, solar, wind, advanced battery storage, nuclear power and electric vehicles to make this happen. We have the wrong people in place to make this happen.
- megamike 6mo agoThe Trump administration’s account of an incident on Saturday involving two U.S. Navy destroyers near the Strait of Hormuz appeared to be undercut Sunday as Iranian state media released footage contradicting claims made by the Department of Defense. On Saturday, U.S. Central Command claimed that two U.S. Navy destroyers had successfully “transited the Strait of Hormuz” and began operations to clear the waterway of sea mines placed by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. President Donald Trump repeated the claim in a social media post, while a U.S. official also said destroyers had not received a threat from the IRGC, per Axios' Barak Ravid. Tehran refuted the Trump administration’s claim, however, with a report from Bloomberg suggesting that the two destroyers were “forced to turn back” after receiving threats from the IRGC, and that the destroyers had not passed through the strait.
- JohnTHaller 6mo agoMarco Rubio (who should have been there doing this) and Trump were busy sitting ringside watching a UFC fight