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I watched some of the videos. I think that the New Yorker does its readers a disservice by not pointing out that they also contain blatant lies, just like the p

I watched some of the videos. I think that the New Yorker does its readers a disservice by not pointing out that they also contain blatant lies, just like the propaganda they're supposedly countering. For example the "Victory Chronicles" video really misrepresents how much damage Iranian drones were able to do in Dubai and Saudi Arabia.

altmanaltman 7mo ago
Its a regime that killed 10s of thousands of its own people for protesting. Ofc its all blatant lies, cute legos or not. There's literally no good sides to this war (anymore)
- elzbardico 7mo ago
  Again, are you sure of it?
  - UltraSane 7mo ago
    I'm sure that the Shia Theocracy that runs Iran is a very bad government and is willing to and has killed many Iranians to stay in power.
    - Mythli 7mo ago
      So u have been there? That country was safe, had a decent standard of living and high life expectancy and that despite the sanctions. Without sanctions & active support I guess it might have surpassed UAE. It seems to me, the US government that makes the citiziens of other countries as miserable as possible and despite these attempts Iran managed just fine.
      - UltraSane 7mo ago
        The Islamic Revolutionary Guards are extremely bloodthirsty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981%E2%80%931982_Iran_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981%E2%80%931982_Iran_massacr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahshahr_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahshahr_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_murders_of_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_murders_of_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_political_prisoners https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_pol... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres
    - elzbardico 7mo ago
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      - UltraSane 7mo ago
        I'm gonna blow your mind here: Both the US AND the Shia Theocracy controlling Iran can BOTH suck! The Islamic Revolutionary Guards are extremely bloodthirsty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981%E2%80%931982_Iran_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981%E2%80%931982_Iran_massacr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahshahr_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahshahr_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_murders_of_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_murders_of_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_political_prisoners https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_pol... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres
- aogaili 7mo ago
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- alsetmusic 7mo ago
  > 10s of thousands I sorta doubt those numbers. > (anymore) Oh, so you're ideologically captured by an admin that's proven to be full of liars. There was never a good side. There's no good side to war in nearly any case (limited exceptions and this is not (was never) one of those). The most powerful country in history attacked a smaller country that wasn't a threat to the stronger country. Had the USA (and Israel) not attacked, it's unlikely that Iran would have struck first. And Iran firing missiles on Israel in response to genocide in Gaza isn't really a credible threat. Israel could stop massacring civilians at any time to make Iran stop firing upon them.
  - aogaili 7mo ago
    It is crazy that comments like this are getting downvoted when it is clearly the truth.
    - tru3_power 7mo ago
      Is it really crazy though? Sad, but given the state of everything I don’t find this crazy.
      - aogaili 7mo ago
        I'm just really puzzled by people frankly, one would expect Hacker News to be of higher caliber. Read the history, watch real geo-political analysis. But even without that, a presidents in who screams profanity on social media, threaten to take oil and resources of other countries and bomb to the dark ages..even without any political background, this a real low for any position let alone the president of the US. I think Social Media truly brought the worse in people. People are not trying to be decent anymore.
        scarecrowbob 7mo ago
        To be honest, this forum is where I come to take th temperature of the US "centrists" who brought us to this point. I've quit other social media, so this is one of the few places where I can hear what folks (who are often quite clever in quite a few dimensions) spout rather vicious thoughts. The other spot I get exposure to this part of the US political spectrum is the comment section of a youtube guy who is pretty far to the right but who has a seemingly (at least to me) well-informed understanding of the facts- he's interesting because it's kind of wild to hear the more lumpen version of this site and what their concerns are: they are really mad that this war is happening instead of further domestic crackdowns on immigration. In both cases, it's helpful to understand where folks who have some pretty misinformed understandings of history and politics are sitting with their opinions. It doesn't seem surprising to me that a bunch of aspiring venture capitalists, who have probably have been or are on the cusp of having a small taste of the massive wealth that their work in building out the surveillance state has brought to their masters, have totally shitty politics.
- aogaili 7mo ago
  I keep getting downvoted and flagged, but there is noway anyone in good faith would support this war crime. A president who threaten to send a country to stone age, saying in front of everyones face that he wants to take the oil.. I don't understand how any human in good faith could look at Iran's government and say they are the evil regime, when we have on other hand, someone who is vocally saying that he is willing to destroy the country's infrastructure and steal their oil. Well, sure I don't mind getting flagged or downvoted. But at least I speak my mind and what I believe is true.
  - 2Gkashmiri 7mo ago
    Hegseth saying no quarter is a war crime but no one seems to care. Why is that?
    - YZF 7mo ago
      Saying things is not a war crime. So if Iranian soldiers surrendered to US soldiers and they were shot that would be a war crime. I don't think that happened? Hegseth statements could be used to support the claim of war crime under such circumstances if they were to arise. [EDIT: As a commenter suggests it is possible that simply saying this is a war crime, or at least there are some legal opinions suggesting it] Attacking civilian targets with cluster bombs has happened and Iran is doing that as we speak. That is a war crime. Attacking infrastructure is not a war crime if that infrastructure serves a military purpose. Attacking purely civilian use infrastructure is a war crime. Threatening to attack civilian use infrastructure is not a war crime. Threatening to attack infrastructure used for military purposes is also not a war crime. Mowing down protestors with machines guns is not a war crime but maybe we should consider it a crime against humanity. EDIT: FWIW I do care about what Hegseth said. It's wrong and he shouldn't have said that. But people say stuff- what matters are the actions.
      - etc-hosts 7mo ago
        I think the US destroyed a strategically important elementary school on the first day of the war.
- enceladus06 7mo ago
  Killed 10s of thousands of civilians, you mean Iran or Israel?
- faizmokh 7mo ago
  Trump literally admitting that he was the one arming the protestors. It'S US regime change playbook. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-guns-protesters-iran-kurds-b2952178.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
  - linkregister 7mo ago
    It's not exculpatory for the independently-verified claims[1] of tens of thousands of those murdered by the Iranian regime. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council_resolution_on_Iran_(January_2026) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Co...
    - vkou 7mo ago
      Okay, let's make a deal. Iranian regime faces trials and consequences, and so does the American executive. Once they are locked up in the same cage, we all get to move on. Sounds good?
      - linkregister 7mo ago
        I'd be satisfied with that!
- aaa_aaa 7mo ago
  "Its a regime that killed 10s of thousands of its own people for protesting. " This information is simply not true.
  - throwaway290 7mo ago
    Actually is true
    - aaa_aaa 7mo ago
      Show two independent source.
      - throwaway290 7mo ago
        any source I show you'll say is propaganda right? friend of a friend was there during but that's "anecdotal" right?
  - _DeadFred_ 7mo ago
    The regime's own published number is 3,000. If you look to how the regime provably undercounts the executions it commits with them normally reporting only 10%, going by historical precedent you would come out to 30,000 dead.
    - aaa_aaa 7mo ago
      You completely made up that 10 percent number.
- lenkite 7mo ago
  > Its a regime that killed 10s of thousands of its own people for protesting. Nearly a thousand insurrectionists armed by the U.S., as Trump admitted, and crowds seeded with Mossad agents - as Mossad boasted about on both X and TV, were instructed to create as much death & havoc as possible to set the stage for regime change. Though several thousand died, the number was below 3k, and the Epstein coalition didn't get their regime change. All those bloated 10k-60k numbers are imaginary. Hell, Trump was angry as there were supposed to be even more deaths, but he says the Kurds looted the weapons meant for the "protestors". If this was done in the U.S,, it would be a 9/11 moment and your nation would go to world-war. But alas, the U.S. directly & indirectly owns the majority of the world media and the truth trickles down only days & weeks later. Thankfully, Trump is so stupid that he can never keep his mouth shut. And Mossad is so arrogant and protected that they boast about their wetwork missions on their official social media & Israeli TV channels.
  - Terr_ 7mo ago
    > as Trump admitted Trump is noise, not signal. He has "admitted" plenty of things which are untrue, and sometimes self-contradictory. Even trying to model him as a rational liar is a nonstarter.
elzbardico 7mo ago
Are you sure of it?
2Gkashmiri 7mo ago
Oh poor Dubai and Saudi Arabia. Im sure my pet animal is shedding a tear or two for them
nashashmi 7mo ago
Propaganda videos are not meant to tell the truth. They are meant to exaggerate the facts. You know, like CNN exaggerates how terrible iran is.
- Fricken 7mo ago
  Sophisticated propaganda is designed to radicalize people into having an emotional reaction to something before they have a chance to think rationally. Many US citizens experienced an outpouring of emotion over Tank Man 37 years ago, and now all you have to do is wave around a picture of Tank Man and reflexively blue flames start shooting out of American asses and they go into conniptions and start howling like rabid Meerkats. They've been radicalized. So long as Tank Man still works, US state media will keep using it. It doesn't have to be a lie. The important thing is that it's hard to reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. Chinese and Iranian propaganda is not nearly as effective as in the US can, where the advertising industry alone spends a half-trillion dollars annually in an effort to fool people into doing things they wouldn't normally do. It is an art and a science.
  - linkregister 7mo ago
    This post: "If you have an emotional reaction to the symbol of a mass murder in the Beijing city square, you've been radicalized" Same account 2 days ago: "Mark Zuckerberg and Meta are complicit in the Rohingya genocide"[1] I knew I would find a contradictory post within the first page, because this account has the hallmarks of a troll. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47640251 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47640251
    - Fricken 7mo ago
      Bringing up Meta's complicity in the Rohingya Genocide on HN is like bringing up the Nanking Massacre in Japan, it's not a responsibility anyone is going to face, I get it. I brought it up in a thread about the careless things Meta has done so it was on point. One thing to keep in mind is that neither Japan, China or Iran have been engaged in any imperial misadventures lately. If you haven't noticed, one theme that has been dominating world affairs as of late is the absolute shitshow that is the American political situation. Iran is a literate nation and the US is blowing up universities and schools. Call me a troll but that's all some super depraved stuff going on right now so forgive me if I'm not particularly sensitive to the feelings of the people who are cheering for it.
wat10000 7mo ago
Is it really necessary to mention something so obvious?
- MisterTea 7mo ago
  The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
etc-hosts 7mo ago
Iranian drones just hit the 30 billion dollar Aramco facility in Jubail. They are definitely a threat.
- expedition32 7mo ago
  Arab countries have US military bases inside their countries. Cry me a fucking river. You sided on with a mad men- who didn't even bother to consult you on the shit storm he was going to unleash. And now you reap the whirlwind. It all makes fire lord Xi look good. As sad as that is.
aaa_aaa 7mo ago
Contains more truth than US media and current admin.
gib444 7mo ago
Propaganda contains lies? Is water wet? Does the average reader of this publication need to be told this?
- thomassmith65 7mo ago
  Bad propaganda contains falsehoods. Good propaganda lies by omission. Great propaganda tells the truth, compellingly. Edit: on the other hand, great propaganda is probably wasted on time periods like ours. Great propaganda isn't always effective propaganda.
ece 7mo ago
The 2nd paragraph of the story states numerous techniques of propaganda the videos contain and several examples.

altmanaltman 7mo ago

Its a regime that killed 10s of thousands of its own people for protesting. Ofc its all blatant lies, cute legos or not. There's literally no good sides to this war (anymore)

elzbardico 7mo ago
Again, are you sure of it?
- UltraSane 7mo ago
  I'm sure that the Shia Theocracy that runs Iran is a very bad government and is willing to and has killed many Iranians to stay in power.
  - Mythli 7mo ago
    So u have been there? That country was safe, had a decent standard of living and high life expectancy and that despite the sanctions. Without sanctions & active support I guess it might have surpassed UAE. It seems to me, the US government that makes the citiziens of other countries as miserable as possible and despite these attempts Iran managed just fine.
    - UltraSane 7mo ago
      The Islamic Revolutionary Guards are extremely bloodthirsty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981%E2%80%931982_Iran_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981%E2%80%931982_Iran_massacr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahshahr_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahshahr_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_murders_of_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_murders_of_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_political_prisoners https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_pol... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres
  - elzbardico 7mo ago
    [flagged]
    - UltraSane 7mo ago
      I'm gonna blow your mind here: Both the US AND the Shia Theocracy controlling Iran can BOTH suck! The Islamic Revolutionary Guards are extremely bloodthirsty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981%E2%80%931982_Iran_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981%E2%80%931982_Iran_massacr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahshahr_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahshahr_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_murders_of_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_murders_of_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_political_prisoners https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_pol... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres
aogaili 7mo ago
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alsetmusic 7mo ago
> 10s of thousands I sorta doubt those numbers. > (anymore) Oh, so you're ideologically captured by an admin that's proven to be full of liars. There was never a good side. There's no good side to war in nearly any case (limited exceptions and this is not (was never) one of those). The most powerful country in history attacked a smaller country that wasn't a threat to the stronger country. Had the USA (and Israel) not attacked, it's unlikely that Iran would have struck first. And Iran firing missiles on Israel in response to genocide in Gaza isn't really a credible threat. Israel could stop massacring civilians at any time to make Iran stop firing upon them.
- aogaili 7mo ago
  It is crazy that comments like this are getting downvoted when it is clearly the truth.
  - tru3_power 7mo ago
    Is it really crazy though? Sad, but given the state of everything I don’t find this crazy.
    - aogaili 7mo ago
      I'm just really puzzled by people frankly, one would expect Hacker News to be of higher caliber. Read the history, watch real geo-political analysis. But even without that, a presidents in who screams profanity on social media, threaten to take oil and resources of other countries and bomb to the dark ages..even without any political background, this a real low for any position let alone the president of the US. I think Social Media truly brought the worse in people. People are not trying to be decent anymore.
      - scarecrowbob 7mo ago
        To be honest, this forum is where I come to take th temperature of the US "centrists" who brought us to this point. I've quit other social media, so this is one of the few places where I can hear what folks (who are often quite clever in quite a few dimensions) spout rather vicious thoughts. The other spot I get exposure to this part of the US political spectrum is the comment section of a youtube guy who is pretty far to the right but who has a seemingly (at least to me) well-informed understanding of the facts- he's interesting because it's kind of wild to hear the more lumpen version of this site and what their concerns are: they are really mad that this war is happening instead of further domestic crackdowns on immigration. In both cases, it's helpful to understand where folks who have some pretty misinformed understandings of history and politics are sitting with their opinions. It doesn't seem surprising to me that a bunch of aspiring venture capitalists, who have probably have been or are on the cusp of having a small taste of the massive wealth that their work in building out the surveillance state has brought to their masters, have totally shitty politics.
aogaili 7mo ago
I keep getting downvoted and flagged, but there is noway anyone in good faith would support this war crime. A president who threaten to send a country to stone age, saying in front of everyones face that he wants to take the oil.. I don't understand how any human in good faith could look at Iran's government and say they are the evil regime, when we have on other hand, someone who is vocally saying that he is willing to destroy the country's infrastructure and steal their oil. Well, sure I don't mind getting flagged or downvoted. But at least I speak my mind and what I believe is true.
- 2Gkashmiri 7mo ago
  Hegseth saying no quarter is a war crime but no one seems to care. Why is that?
  - YZF 7mo ago
    Saying things is not a war crime. So if Iranian soldiers surrendered to US soldiers and they were shot that would be a war crime. I don't think that happened? Hegseth statements could be used to support the claim of war crime under such circumstances if they were to arise. [EDIT: As a commenter suggests it is possible that simply saying this is a war crime, or at least there are some legal opinions suggesting it] Attacking civilian targets with cluster bombs has happened and Iran is doing that as we speak. That is a war crime. Attacking infrastructure is not a war crime if that infrastructure serves a military purpose. Attacking purely civilian use infrastructure is a war crime. Threatening to attack civilian use infrastructure is not a war crime. Threatening to attack infrastructure used for military purposes is also not a war crime. Mowing down protestors with machines guns is not a war crime but maybe we should consider it a crime against humanity. EDIT: FWIW I do care about what Hegseth said. It's wrong and he shouldn't have said that. But people say stuff- what matters are the actions.
    - etc-hosts 7mo ago
      I think the US destroyed a strategically important elementary school on the first day of the war.
enceladus06 7mo ago
Killed 10s of thousands of civilians, you mean Iran or Israel?
faizmokh 7mo ago
Trump literally admitting that he was the one arming the protestors. It'S US regime change playbook. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-guns-protesters-iran-kurds-b2952178.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
- linkregister 7mo ago
  It's not exculpatory for the independently-verified claims[1] of tens of thousands of those murdered by the Iranian regime. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council_resolution_on_Iran_(January_2026) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Co...
  - vkou 7mo ago
    Okay, let's make a deal. Iranian regime faces trials and consequences, and so does the American executive. Once they are locked up in the same cage, we all get to move on. Sounds good?
    - linkregister 7mo ago
      I'd be satisfied with that!
aaa_aaa 7mo ago
"Its a regime that killed 10s of thousands of its own people for protesting. " This information is simply not true.
- throwaway290 7mo ago
  Actually is true
  - aaa_aaa 7mo ago
    Show two independent source.
    - throwaway290 7mo ago
      any source I show you'll say is propaganda right? friend of a friend was there during but that's "anecdotal" right?
- _DeadFred_ 7mo ago
  The regime's own published number is 3,000. If you look to how the regime provably undercounts the executions it commits with them normally reporting only 10%, going by historical precedent you would come out to 30,000 dead.
  - aaa_aaa 7mo ago
    You completely made up that 10 percent number.
lenkite 7mo ago
> Its a regime that killed 10s of thousands of its own people for protesting. Nearly a thousand insurrectionists armed by the U.S., as Trump admitted, and crowds seeded with Mossad agents - as Mossad boasted about on both X and TV, were instructed to create as much death & havoc as possible to set the stage for regime change. Though several thousand died, the number was below 3k, and the Epstein coalition didn't get their regime change. All those bloated 10k-60k numbers are imaginary. Hell, Trump was angry as there were supposed to be even more deaths, but he says the Kurds looted the weapons meant for the "protestors". If this was done in the U.S,, it would be a 9/11 moment and your nation would go to world-war. But alas, the U.S. directly & indirectly owns the majority of the world media and the truth trickles down only days & weeks later. Thankfully, Trump is so stupid that he can never keep his mouth shut. And Mossad is so arrogant and protected that they boast about their wetwork missions on their official social media & Israeli TV channels.
- Terr_ 7mo ago
  > as Trump admitted Trump is noise, not signal. He has "admitted" plenty of things which are untrue, and sometimes self-contradictory. Even trying to model him as a rational liar is a nonstarter.

elzbardico 7mo ago

Are you sure of it?

2Gkashmiri 7mo ago

Oh poor Dubai and Saudi Arabia. Im sure my pet animal is shedding a tear or two for them

nashashmi 7mo ago

Propaganda videos are not meant to tell the truth. They are meant to exaggerate the facts. You know, like CNN exaggerates how terrible iran is.

Fricken 7mo ago
Sophisticated propaganda is designed to radicalize people into having an emotional reaction to something before they have a chance to think rationally. Many US citizens experienced an outpouring of emotion over Tank Man 37 years ago, and now all you have to do is wave around a picture of Tank Man and reflexively blue flames start shooting out of American asses and they go into conniptions and start howling like rabid Meerkats. They've been radicalized. So long as Tank Man still works, US state media will keep using it. It doesn't have to be a lie. The important thing is that it's hard to reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. Chinese and Iranian propaganda is not nearly as effective as in the US can, where the advertising industry alone spends a half-trillion dollars annually in an effort to fool people into doing things they wouldn't normally do. It is an art and a science.
- linkregister 7mo ago
  This post: "If you have an emotional reaction to the symbol of a mass murder in the Beijing city square, you've been radicalized" Same account 2 days ago: "Mark Zuckerberg and Meta are complicit in the Rohingya genocide"[1] I knew I would find a contradictory post within the first page, because this account has the hallmarks of a troll. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47640251 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47640251
  - Fricken 7mo ago
    Bringing up Meta's complicity in the Rohingya Genocide on HN is like bringing up the Nanking Massacre in Japan, it's not a responsibility anyone is going to face, I get it. I brought it up in a thread about the careless things Meta has done so it was on point. One thing to keep in mind is that neither Japan, China or Iran have been engaged in any imperial misadventures lately. If you haven't noticed, one theme that has been dominating world affairs as of late is the absolute shitshow that is the American political situation. Iran is a literate nation and the US is blowing up universities and schools. Call me a troll but that's all some super depraved stuff going on right now so forgive me if I'm not particularly sensitive to the feelings of the people who are cheering for it.

wat10000 7mo ago

Is it really necessary to mention something so obvious?

MisterTea 7mo ago
The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

etc-hosts 7mo ago

Iranian drones just hit the 30 billion dollar Aramco facility in Jubail. They are definitely a threat.

expedition32 7mo ago
Arab countries have US military bases inside their countries. Cry me a fucking river. You sided on with a mad men- who didn't even bother to consult you on the shit storm he was going to unleash. And now you reap the whirlwind. It all makes fire lord Xi look good. As sad as that is.

aaa_aaa 7mo ago

Contains more truth than US media and current admin.

gib444 7mo ago

Propaganda contains lies? Is water wet? Does the average reader of this publication need to be told this?

thomassmith65 7mo ago
Bad propaganda contains falsehoods. Good propaganda lies by omission. Great propaganda tells the truth, compellingly. Edit: on the other hand, great propaganda is probably wasted on time periods like ours. Great propaganda isn't always effective propaganda.

ece 7mo ago

The 2nd paragraph of the story states numerous techniques of propaganda the videos contain and several examples.