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Well, we are already rolling over and dying (literally) on everything from vaccine denial to climate change. So, yes, we are. Obviously yes.

dragontamer 6mo ago
In the US it is dying off. Not so in plenty of other countries. Hopefully US reverses the anti-science trend before it's too late
- conception 6mo ago
  These movements are growing in every western nation. The trend has been growing over decades. It would be nice to see it reverse but seems unlikely before calamity.
  - adriand 6mo ago
    It’s a deliberate process powered by rightwing and capitalist interests designed to create a dumber, less educated and more distracted population. A war as stupid as the one with Iran would not have been possible three decades ago. As ill-advised as the Iraq war was, Bush at least spent months explaining the rationale and building support for it, successfully. Now that’s not needed. I saw interviews with young Americans on spring break and they were so utterly uninformed it was mind-blowing. Their priorities are getting drunk and getting laid while their country bombs a nation “into the stone ages”, according to their president. And it’s not their fault: they are the product of a media environment and education system designed for exactly this outcome.
    - vinceguidry 6mo ago
      I was there for that war. Kids weren't listening and didn't care back then either. If anything, Gen Z is the most politically-aware generation we've had since we started keeping track. Trump doesn't have to justify a single thing because the billionaires behind him know that every last bet is off and their very livelihoods are at risk, and his entire base of support up and down the chain are either complicit or fooled. What the world does when they finally realize Democrats and Republicans are simply two sides of the vast apparatus suppressing the will of the people by any means necessary will be... spectacular.
      - foobarchu 6mo ago
        I was there as well, the bush presidency lasted my entire middle and high school career, and I got the chance to vote for Obama in my senior year. I remember things very differently. Everyone cared about the Iraq war, gay-straight alliance was one of the most up and coming clubs, and political music was everywhere. Green Day had their big second wave with American Idiot, System Of A Down was on top of the world, Rock Against Bush was huge, anarcho-punk like Rise Against was getting big. I'm not a teenager anymore obviously, so it's entirely possible I'm just missing it, but I've seen very little that compares to those sort of movements. On the other hand, most millennials I know are still wildly politically active.
        bandofthehawk 6mo ago
        In 2002, there war in Iraq had large popular support, something like 70-80 percent. It took a few years for people to realize it was based on a lie and was a massive mistake. It was also morally reprehensible, but that part is not often discussed in mainstream US politics. If you compare that to the current Iran war, a majority of the population is already against it, however the current administration doesn't seem to care much about public opinion, and there doesn't seem to be much that the public can do about it.
        CPLX 6mo ago
        Yeah I was there too and I don’t know what this guy is talking about. Gen X was highly politically active. This was the era of violent in the street anti-globalization clashes like the WTO protests.
        vinceguidry 6mo ago
        I mean, yeah, we made music and staged protests. Gen Z is conducting revolutions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Nepalese_Gen_Z_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Nepalese_Gen_Z_protests
      - iwontberude 6mo ago
        Where exactly because in the Midwest we were very vocal about it. We have tons of military families out there and we were poor enough to feel almost like military service was inevitable if we didn’t get scholarships for school. You know the band NOFX had an album, the War on Errorism that was quite successful based on the fuckery of the bush administration. Punk rock and protest music was huge then.
    - Nasrudith 6mo ago
      That canard about a vast conspiracy to explain why people don't agree with you? It sounds exactly like conservatives blaming the liberal schools for in essence the same thing, not agreeing with them. Schools must be quite busy and schizophrenic what with the completely ideologically inconsistent indoctrination they are apparently doing. Not to mention judging engagement in spring break goers is kind of a major selection bias. Those who are upset about it wouldn't be in the mood to vacation.
- throwaway27448 6mo ago
  The replication crisis is hardly unique to the US and is greatly exacerbated with the use of AI.

dragontamer 6mo ago

In the US it is dying off. Not so in plenty of other countries. Hopefully US reverses the anti-science trend before it's too late

conception 6mo ago
These movements are growing in every western nation. The trend has been growing over decades. It would be nice to see it reverse but seems unlikely before calamity.
- adriand 6mo ago
  It’s a deliberate process powered by rightwing and capitalist interests designed to create a dumber, less educated and more distracted population. A war as stupid as the one with Iran would not have been possible three decades ago. As ill-advised as the Iraq war was, Bush at least spent months explaining the rationale and building support for it, successfully. Now that’s not needed. I saw interviews with young Americans on spring break and they were so utterly uninformed it was mind-blowing. Their priorities are getting drunk and getting laid while their country bombs a nation “into the stone ages”, according to their president. And it’s not their fault: they are the product of a media environment and education system designed for exactly this outcome.
  - vinceguidry 6mo ago
    I was there for that war. Kids weren't listening and didn't care back then either. If anything, Gen Z is the most politically-aware generation we've had since we started keeping track. Trump doesn't have to justify a single thing because the billionaires behind him know that every last bet is off and their very livelihoods are at risk, and his entire base of support up and down the chain are either complicit or fooled. What the world does when they finally realize Democrats and Republicans are simply two sides of the vast apparatus suppressing the will of the people by any means necessary will be... spectacular.
    - foobarchu 6mo ago
      I was there as well, the bush presidency lasted my entire middle and high school career, and I got the chance to vote for Obama in my senior year. I remember things very differently. Everyone cared about the Iraq war, gay-straight alliance was one of the most up and coming clubs, and political music was everywhere. Green Day had their big second wave with American Idiot, System Of A Down was on top of the world, Rock Against Bush was huge, anarcho-punk like Rise Against was getting big. I'm not a teenager anymore obviously, so it's entirely possible I'm just missing it, but I've seen very little that compares to those sort of movements. On the other hand, most millennials I know are still wildly politically active.
      - bandofthehawk 6mo ago
        In 2002, there war in Iraq had large popular support, something like 70-80 percent. It took a few years for people to realize it was based on a lie and was a massive mistake. It was also morally reprehensible, but that part is not often discussed in mainstream US politics. If you compare that to the current Iran war, a majority of the population is already against it, however the current administration doesn't seem to care much about public opinion, and there doesn't seem to be much that the public can do about it.
      - CPLX 6mo ago
        Yeah I was there too and I don’t know what this guy is talking about. Gen X was highly politically active. This was the era of violent in the street anti-globalization clashes like the WTO protests.
      - vinceguidry 6mo ago
        I mean, yeah, we made music and staged protests. Gen Z is conducting revolutions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Nepalese_Gen_Z_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Nepalese_Gen_Z_protests
    - iwontberude 6mo ago
      Where exactly because in the Midwest we were very vocal about it. We have tons of military families out there and we were poor enough to feel almost like military service was inevitable if we didn’t get scholarships for school. You know the band NOFX had an album, the War on Errorism that was quite successful based on the fuckery of the bush administration. Punk rock and protest music was huge then.
  - Nasrudith 6mo ago
    That canard about a vast conspiracy to explain why people don't agree with you? It sounds exactly like conservatives blaming the liberal schools for in essence the same thing, not agreeing with them. Schools must be quite busy and schizophrenic what with the completely ideologically inconsistent indoctrination they are apparently doing. Not to mention judging engagement in spring break goers is kind of a major selection bias. Those who are upset about it wouldn't be in the mood to vacation.
throwaway27448 6mo ago
The replication crisis is hardly unique to the US and is greatly exacerbated with the use of AI.