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LLM usage will largely replace traditional search, and that's stage one. To be specific, search will be consumed by the LLMs, it'll be merely an aspect of what
by adventured 6mo ago
LLM usage will largely replace traditional search, and that's stage one. To be specific, search will be consumed by the LLMs, it'll be merely an aspect of what they do for the user, and that'll include handling the more intricate details of the search, refining the search, understanding the results of search, etc. The age of the typical user handling any of that is about to end. Search will more be a feature of Gemini in the not very distant future, rather than Gemini being bolted onto/into search.
Fuller integration into the user's life will bring ever more ad opportunities (and it doesn't matter if the HN base hates that notion, it's going to happen regardless). That'll happen over the next decade gradually.
Shopping, home management, tasks (taxes, accounting, lifestyle, reminders, homework, work work, 800 other things), travel (obvious), advice & general conversation (already there), search (being consumed now), gaming (next 3-5 years to start), full at-work integration (gradual spread across all industries, with more narrow expertise), digital world building (10-15+ years out for mass user adoption). And on the list goes. It's pretty much anything the user can or does touch in life.
- operatingthetan 6mo ago> To be specific, search will be consumed by the LLMs, it'll be merely an aspect of what they do for the user, and that'll include handling the more intricate details of the search, refining the search, understanding the results of search, etc. The age of the typical user handling any of that is about to end. We already have the tech for that, why hasn't it happened? People are revolted by the AI results in Google. AI isn't going to make people use their computers more. It's not opening up a new consumer market. This is just making each search infinitely more expensive.
- satvikpendem 6mo agoWho is revolted? I use the AI Google results every day when asking for specific questions, I rarely visit the webpages before anymore. Also Google already injects ads into conversations in the form of Google Shopping affiliate links.
- ProfessorLayton 6mo ago>I rarely visit the webpages before anymore. And what do you think this'll do for future LLM models that need to train on new content if web page traffic collapses?
- satvikpendem 6mo agoI understand the concern but it's frankly not my problem as a user, that is for the authors and corporations to figure out. No one would (or should) blame car buyers for putting horse and buggies out of business, they're merely participating in the market as a consumer not the producer.
- MadxX79 6mo agoThey won't figure it out. It's the tragedy of the commons.
- satvikpendem 6mo agoThen that is how it will be, it's a self correcting problem in that if they don't figure it out, their models won't continue improving.
- esafak 6mo agoAnd web sites will collapse along with them. What do you think the 'corrected' state will look like? If you use the web it is your problem.
- satvikpendem 6mo agoMore people going into insular communities like discord or creating micro sites. Like I said it's a self correcting problem, either it is fixed or it's not. It's not my problem.
- eisa01 6mo agoI find searching chatgpt.com and asking for sources, then visiting them, works much better than Google to find niche topics
- Marazan 6mo agoEvery year I ask the latest version of Chat GPT a basic facts question about rugby results. It almost always gets it wrong - even when it does web search and cites sources. Wrong scores, hallucinated matches, wrong locations - just gob smacking amounts of wrongness. The latest "Thinking" version gets it reliably right but spent about 3 minutes coming up with the answer that 10 seconds of googling answers. So I don't believe we are currently in a situation where LLMs are an effective replacement for search engines.
- greenchair 6mo agoyep google ai results are old too.
- cmiles8 6mo agoGoogle is already dumping LLMs into search and it works well and is free.
- sylos 6mo agoIt doesn't work well. The searches are wrong and uninformative much of the time.
- satvikpendem 6mo agoAny examples of bad ones? I find them perfectly fine for my queries.
- vesrah 6mo agoSearch for anything mechanically car related and the results are terrible or wrong.
- satvikpendem 6mo agoDo you have a concrete example I can reproduce? I searched for things like how to change the filter of X make and model and it seems correct, not sure if that's what you meant.
- staticman2 6mo agoI'm not the person you replied to but I'm wondering which Google AI product you are referring to that you use for search which is so excellent that you need someone to find for you an example of it failing? I think Google has several ai products with search features? Which one in your experience "seems correct"? I'm fascinated because I've never found any LLM to be particularly error free at search.
- satvikpendem 6mo agoGoogle.com with the AI overview or whatever they call it now. It seems to source web page information for grounding so it's reasonably correct and doesn't hallucinate recently at least.
- satvikpendem 6mo agoYou see it already with how many people use LLMs for everything these days. Google Gemini can also integrate with your other Google apps to personalize further, and Gemini already has product placement ads.
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