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Amazon, among others, write a lot of java, but they want absolutely nothing to do with oracle licenses for java

bobthepanda 7mo ago
Right, I just feel like this is a bit over the top > The only developers I know who write Java full time work in systems that take pictures of things from far away.
- burnte 7mo ago
  > Right, I just feel like this is a bit over the top Well, the writer said the only Java devs THEY KN OW, not all Java devs.
tombert 7mo ago
I worked for a drug discovery company doing Java [1] since we were using Kafka Streams very liberally, but everything was done with the OpenJDK Temurin distribution. It was drilled into our heads on the first day do not install anything from Oracle. I think they were afraid of some weird lawsuit unless they bought an expensive license. I totally get it, but it made me a bit sad because they were even weary of something like GraalVM for some projects where startup time was becoming an issue; I think the Community Edition for GraalVM would have been fine but I think they had this "we don't touch anything with an the Oracle name directly attached with a ten foot pole". Which is totally fair. [1] It's not hard to find which one but I politely ask that you do not post it here in relation to this thread.
- mort96 7mo ago
  I'm sure GraalVM is nice enough technology but I don't understand why anyone would actively choose to use a JVM from Oracle if they can avoid it.
  - tombert 7mo ago
    The Ahead of Time compilation is pretty nice for some stuff. Generally startup time is significantly improved, so if you're writing command line tools in particular it can be cool.
    - mort96 7mo ago
      Most languages I write are ahead of time compiled with pretty good startup time so it's not really a need I have that I feel GraalVM solves?
      - tombert 7mo ago
        Yes but Java has historically had pretty long startup times. If you want to write Java specifically then GraalVM is probably still the best option for AOT.
  - pjmlp 7mo ago
    OpenJDK is from Oracle as well.
- vips7L 7mo ago
  HotSpot also has lots of things to speed up start time. Project Leyden has made a lot of advancements. AOTCache and crac etc.
coredog64 7mo ago
They have their own OpenJDK distribution (Amazon Corretto)
pjmlp 7mo ago
They surely like the work Oracle employees provide to OpenJDK.

Right, I just feel like this is a bit over the top > The only developers I know who write Java full time work in systems that take pictures of things from far away.

burnte 7mo ago
> Right, I just feel like this is a bit over the top Well, the writer said the only Java devs THEY KN OW, not all Java devs.

tombert 7mo ago

I worked for a drug discovery company doing Java [1] since we were using Kafka Streams very liberally, but everything was done with the OpenJDK Temurin distribution. It was drilled into our heads on the first day do not install anything from Oracle. I think they were afraid of some weird lawsuit unless they bought an expensive license. I totally get it, but it made me a bit sad because they were even weary of something like GraalVM for some projects where startup time was becoming an issue; I think the Community Edition for GraalVM would have been fine but I think they had this "we don't touch anything with an the Oracle name directly attached with a ten foot pole". Which is totally fair. [1] It's not hard to find which one but I politely ask that you do not post it here in relation to this thread.

mort96 7mo ago
I'm sure GraalVM is nice enough technology but I don't understand why anyone would actively choose to use a JVM from Oracle if they can avoid it.
- tombert 7mo ago
  The Ahead of Time compilation is pretty nice for some stuff. Generally startup time is significantly improved, so if you're writing command line tools in particular it can be cool.
  - mort96 7mo ago
    Most languages I write are ahead of time compiled with pretty good startup time so it's not really a need I have that I feel GraalVM solves?
    - tombert 7mo ago
      Yes but Java has historically had pretty long startup times. If you want to write Java specifically then GraalVM is probably still the best option for AOT.
- pjmlp 7mo ago
  OpenJDK is from Oracle as well.
vips7L 7mo ago
HotSpot also has lots of things to speed up start time. Project Leyden has made a lot of advancements. AOTCache and crac etc.

coredog64 7mo ago

They have their own OpenJDK distribution (Amazon Corretto)

pjmlp 7mo ago

They surely like the work Oracle employees provide to OpenJDK.