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How can people see the propaganda that happens in, say, North Korea, but fail to see what is happening in their own country? It boggles. It truly does.
by HumblyTossed 7mo ago
How can people see the propaganda that happens in, say, North Korea, but fail to see what is happening in their own country?
It boggles. It truly does.
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- SequoiaHope 7mo agoIt looks very different from the outside than it does from the inside. We are all subject to this.
- hackyhacky 7mo agoDoes it though? I don't see Canadian or Swiss or Slovak propaganda regularly reminding us that their country's leader is the "greatest ever."
- bregma 7mo agoMark Carney's famous speech at Davos was a breath of fresh air compared with anything ever spewed by the deranged current president of the USA. I am so glad I live in the best country in the world with him as prime minister and that we have no propaganda here in Canada. We will do so much better when we enter trade agreement negotiations with that degenerate loser south of the border in the next few months. That guy can't even ties his own shoes because of his cankles, but Mark Carney can tie not only his own shoes but he always wears sensible socks too. You may have missed propaganda because you missed the propaganda.
- Stratoscope 7mo agoI think you will enjoy this: https://youtube.com/shorts/k3nwW40sYkI https://youtube.com/shorts/k3nwW40sYkI
- carlosjobim 7mo agoBecause some nations are leader-oriented and some nations are system-oriented. Ask any European if they support the state system in their country. Or ask any muslim if their branch of Islam is the best. Almost all countries in the world will have heavy handed propaganda that their way of organizing things are the best and most fair that could ever exist.
- SequoiaHope 7mo agoThe question was about North Korean propaganda and American propaganda. Both are powerful and hard to see when you are immersed in them. That some countries do not take the same approach makes this no less true. However there are other forms of propaganda. What I did not mention was that I am vegan. Only when you stop eating meat do you see how immersed in it we are. The pervasiveness and shared assumptions are there. Whether it’s who to hate or what to spend money on or what to eat. In the US the real propaganda is the stuff both parties agree on.
- jojobas 7mo agoIf you think NK an US look the same from the outside check your body temp. Source: am outside both.
- pocksuppet 7mo agoI'm outside both and I'm not seeing a lot of difference. Main one is that one is threatening everyone with nukes, and the other one isn't making any threats I can understand because they're in Korean.
- mulmen 7mo agoNo. We aren’t all subject to this. MAGA isn’t even logically consistent. You don’t even need fact checking to spot the bullshit. And miss me with the inevitable both sides response.
- renewiltord 7mo ago[flagged]
- ghurtado 7mo ago> I mean if you agree with it, it’s not propaganda A very workable definition of "propaganda" might be "an idea crafted specifically so that you will think it was your idea in the first place" That's why "agreeing" with propaganda is not the correct verb. You either believe propaganda or you don't. This has nothing to do with reason or logic.
- renewiltord 7mo agoSure, and this 70% of Americans bullshit is propaganda by that measure. It is frequently trotted out on HN and is met with enthusiastic belief despite being total ass pull. There are US Senators pushing this propaganda and people enthusiastically agreeing.
- leptons 7mo agoWhat percentage of Americans do you think live paycheck to paycheck?
- renewiltord 7mo ago[flagged]
- ben_w 7mo agoThe phrase "live paycheck to paycheck" means "To spend all that one earns without saving anything", not the literal interpretation of "failing to die between paychecks" that you seem to be using here. (IIRC, 60-70% is based on surveys, that percentage of people feel they're living like that, but actual stats are much lower, like 25% or so, but it's important to make sure the same thing is being discussed when having conversations like this).
- gzread 7mo agoA Russian and an American get on a plane in Moscow and get to talking. The Russian says he works for the Kremlin and he's on his way to go learn American propaganda techniques. "What American propaganda techniques?" asks the American. "Exactly," the Russian replies.
- ghurtado 7mo agoThis is the best joke I've heard in a long time
- pocksuppet 7mo agoThe version I know is a little different: A Russian visits America and meets an American at a bar and they get talking about life in Russia. "How is the propaganda?" says the American. "It's everywhere, but it's easy to ignore it" says the Russian. "Yours is much better." "But we don't have propaganda here" says the American. "Exactly" says the Russian. idk how a person can be forced to pledge allegiance to the flag every morning and not think that's some North Korean style shit.
- lynx97 7mo ago... or realize that they are not morally superior to china as long as they don't abolish the death penalty.
- abustamam 7mo agoWhen I was in kindergarten, I refused to do the pledge one day. My teacher was livid. "Are you American or not?" Being 5, I didn't know the difference between ethnicity and nationality (I'm Asian but I was born here and didn't know any life outside of America). So I was afraid that my teacher would not let me be American anymore if I didn't say the pledge. So I said it and never refused to say it in school again. It wasn't til I was well into my adulthood that I realize how absurd that situation sounds.
- wongarsu 7mo ago
- hamstergene 7mo agoA simple answer is that they see neither. What they think they see is actually a short snapshot of North Korean life with a red circle, a red arrow and a red caption text that says "North Korean propaganda here!!! -->", carefully drawn by their local propaganda. Sanity check: I present you a country X, whose language you don't speak, and whose news you don't read day to day. I show you their politician saying something. Can you tell if that was propaganda? Substitute X from "North Korea" to a country you know nothing about and see how the answer changes.
- AlecSchueler 7mo agoSeems reasonable but it's not as if no one speaks Korean outside North Korea to verify what's being said.
- kdheiwns 7mo agoPeople don't believe native speakers of their own language when they're told things that conflict with their political world view. Why would they trust someone who says "that's not an accurate translation" if that collides with their political opinions?
- ben_w 7mo agoFor any outsider telling me about North Korea, including South Koreans, I can't tell if I've been pranked with e.g. the South Korean version of The Onion, let alone something milder like I'm being told about this by someone who takes their version Breitbart more seriously than their version of The Wall Street Journal.
- AlecSchueler 7mo agoYou can translate it yourself with automated tooling nowadays. You can ask a second opinion from a different Korean.