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This "ad" is not exactly new. Looks like MS thinks it's a "tip" rather than an ad. I don't know if Raycast team even knows about this. https://github.com/Plagu
by plastic041 8mo ago
This "ad" is not exactly new. Looks like MS thinks it's a "tip" rather than an ad. I don't know if Raycast team even knows about this.
https://github.com/PlagueHO/plagueho.github.io/pull/24#issue-3076164344 https://github.com/PlagueHO/plagueho.github.io/pull/24#issue... Copilot has been adding "(emoji) (tip)" thing since May 2025. GitHub copilot was released in May 2025, so basically it has had an ad since beginning.
There are 1.5m of these things in GitHub. https://github.com/search?q=%22%3C%21--+START+COPILOT+CODING+AGENT+TIPS+--%3E%22&type=pullrequests&s=updated&o=asc&p=1 https://github.com/search?q=%22%3C%21--+START+COPILOT+CODING...
Here are some of them:
https://github.com/johannesPP/FS-Calculator/pull/2 https://github.com/johannesPP/FS-Calculator/pull/2
> Connect Copilot coding agent with Jira, Azure Boards or Linear to delegate work to Copilot in one click without leaving your project management tool.
https://github.com/sharthomas645-tech/HybridAI-Next-React-Vite/pull/37 https://github.com/sharthomas645-tech/HybridAI-Next-React-Vi...
> Send tasks to Copilot coding agent from Slack and Teams to turn conversations into code. Copilot posts an update in your thread when it's finished.
Looks like MS really want to "give tips" about their new integrations.
edit: I think it's an ad too. Everyone would think so, except for MS.
- esperent 8mo agoHonestly, it being a "tip" or "ad" is exactly the same. What I mean is that even if I take that at face value and accept that it's not an ad, and I can just about see from a certain level of corporate brainwashing how one could believe that, it's still completely unacceptable.
- lwhi 8mo agoYep, the fact they're altering repo content with advertising is wholly unacceptable.
- ta8903 8mo agoPRs aren't part of the repository (if you define repository to mean part of `git`'s internal working. It's part of GitHub, which is owned by Microsoft.
- mtndew4brkfst 8mo agoSmall nit, but PR description bodies might wind up as part of a commit message verbatim, depending on repo settings and the merger's personal behavior. It's an easy outcome, the merger doesn't need to copy and paste or anything, and I think it might be a default or popular setting for squash-merges.
- skywhopper 8mo agoIt’s a spot that will easily be replaced with paid ads, for sure. Not sure why it wouldn’t be better to just inject this sort of message into the UI instead of editing the PR text itself. (Except that the team implementing it probably couldn’t get the UI team to agree.)
- heavyset_go 8mo agoIt's platform agnostic as long as your Copilot setup can create PRs on the platform your project is hosted on. Otherwise, it would just be Github with displayed ads and that would hurt the brand, so everyone gets ads.
- plastic041 8mo agoI do think it's just an ad. Also it's a bad kind of one because 1) it disguises itself as a tip 2) makes people to think if it's an ad for Raycast or other services, when actually it's just promoting itself.
- ccozan 8mo agoif is paid by and for a 3rd party, is an ad. if not, is a tip.
- frereubu 8mo agoThat's not a good distinction. If I see an advert for Microsoft 365 in the Start menu on Windows they're both from Microsoft but it's still an advert.
- b00ty4breakfast 8mo agosix of one, half dozen of the other; it may not be a payed advertisement but it functions as one if it's suggesting products. It's not like this is organic word of mouth we're dealing with here.
- plastic041 8mo agoIt still would be a self promoting, which is still an ad.
- frereubu 8mo agoCalling it a "tip" is definitely just a semantic trick to make it slightly less easy to frame a negative response and galvanise opinion against the practise. Reminds me a bit of confirmation shaming (which, now I think about it, I haven't seen in a while) where you're made to click a button that says something like "No, I don't want an amazing 15% off my next order by signing up to your email list".
- plastic041 8mo ago> semantic trick That's what I wanted to say! Thank you.
- anthonyrstevens 8mo ago>> you're made to click a button that says something like "No, I don't want an amazing 15% off my next order by signing up to your email list" Ugh, this type of thing is the worst. "Click here to remain fat, drunk and stupid!"* * Animal House, 1978
- wincy 8mo agoI was playing Mario Party Jamboree this weekend with my kids, and when you use a key to unlock doors (for anyone not familiar, Mario Party is a family friendly virtual board game with lots of minigames that’s been around since the Nintendo 64) that serve as shortcuts in the game board, the key is alive and says “don’t you want to keep being friends? You wouldn’t use me on a door, would you?” Which is a humorous twist on confirmation shaming inside of the game and gives me a bit of enmity for the imaginary key. Conversely, on Doom Dark Ages they got rid of the traditional difficulty mode of “I’m too young to die” which had a picture of Doom Guy with a bib and a pacifier, I think there’s some new industry guidance that it’s a no no to poke fun at people picking easy difficulties, or even indicating what difficulty the game was “designed to be played on” which Japanese game devs happily ignore. I know these aren’t actual equivalents since your money isn’t used on the line and it’s purely a game state, buts it’s still an interesting and noteworthy transition.
- anthonyrstevens 8mo agoI this a similar thing? Apple web signin doesn't let you easily choose SMS 2FA; you have to click "I can't get to my devices right now" first before you can send yourself a text message. I always resent them for making me lie, because although my devices ARE nearby (ish), my phone is always, like RIGHT THERE.
- Cthulhu_ 8mo agoIt's an interesting model, makes me wonder if prolific open source contributors do it ("leave a tip if you like this MR" kind of thing).
- BLKNSLVR 8mo agoMicrosoft would probably seriously refer to it as 'just the tip'. You'll never guess what happens next. (Hint: everyone knows what happens next)
- stingraycharles 8mo agoAI clippy?
- consp 8mo agoLeave the poor fellow alone. It's been butchered enough in the late 90s and early 00s, and has been repurposed for a greater good. I'd argue not all Microsoft creates is bad, it just needs someone else to make it better.
- Gigachad 8mo agoMicroslop for a while now seems to be testing exactly how much you can abuse the user before they move somewhere else. Windows is a prime example. Everything is ads, tracking, popups, annoyances, etc. They have got away with it for a while because a lot of users have largely been stuck, but they are in real trouble now with Apple providing meaningful competition.
- transcriptase 8mo agoYeah but at least a dozen Microsoft employees went on a seemingly scripted blitz on X about how they’re ready to start listening to feedback and… * checks notes * Only have copilot shoehorned into most things instead of everything. And some shit about windows developers which isn’t exactly going to fix the glaring issues with the OS itself.
- Aerroon 8mo ago>Yeah but at least a dozen Microsoft employees went on a seemingly scripted blitz on X about how they’re ready to start listening to feedback and… So what was the purpose of all that telemetry they collected then? Because it doesn't seem to have made the OS like what the users want it to be.
- thesuitonym 8mo agoTo better target ads.
- mulmen 8mo agoData Gnomes 1) collect data 2) ??? 3) profit
- TheScaryOne 8mo agoDo you hate the "Ribbon" UI that got forced into everything in Win8+? That's what telemetry was used for. Every advanced user turned that off when they gave us the option, and now we have every UI on the computer designed for Grandma.
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- oefrha 8mo ago> There are 1.5m of these things in GitHub. You’re pointing to something entirely different: those are Copilot-created PRs. They can include anything Copilot wants to include. People using the Copilot PR feature know what they’re buying into. OP is about Copilot doing post-hoc editing of a human-created PR to include an ad, allegedly without knowledge or approval of the creator (well I assume they did give their team member permission to update the PR body, but apparently not for this kind of crap).
- plastic041 8mo agoI wanted to say that they are same because they are "copilot-written self promotions", but I get your point. Also I found this: https://github.com/Laravel-Backpack/medialibrary-uploaders/pull/38 https://github.com/Laravel-Backpack/medialibrary-uploaders/p... it seems like copilot added an ad on behalf of the user at Nov 2025(see last edit).
- red_admiral 8mo ago> Looks like MS really want to "give tips" Including Windows, File Explorer, Start Menu, ... It seems with the latest "ok we went too far" Win11 patch though, they got some tips back from their users.
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- ttyyzz 8mo agoIt is clearly an ad, no doubt about that.
- rubyfan 8mo agoIt’s like how Disney Plus “ad free” tier shows you ads for Hulu and Disney Perks. They probably redefine “ad” in their terms of service so their own ads are called something else.
- bonoboTP 8mo agoYeah it's just helpful tips and suggestions. It's a feature, you see!
- MereInterest 8mo agoI looked into it at one point, as I was disgusted by the unskippable advertisements when paying for an ad-free tier on one of the myriad streaming platforms. Apparently, they distinguish between "advertisements" for a product or service and "promotions" for themselves. I get why that would be a reasonable internal distinction, as the former would require sign-off from the business paying for the advertisement, while the latter would only need internal approval, but it's a pointless distinction after that.
- rubyfan 8mo agoThe distinction is likely a claw back to give themselves just that ability to freely advertise to you after telling you it was ad free. Like what’s the difference advertising a subsidiary like Disney parks to me or a new car? Just that they own the former.
- mcintyre1994 8mo agoIt's definitely an ad, I think the only real question is whether it's just marketing Copilot or whether part of their partnership with other companies is advertising the integration in this way. The links all go to Copilot docs pages on the integrations, so they're not typical tracked link advertising campaigns.
- antonvs 8mo ago> Looks like MS thinks it's a "tip" rather than an ad. No, they don't. > edit: I think it's an ad too. Everyone would think so, except for MS. You think a company with a $2.65 trillion market cap and an army of marketing professionals doesn't realize that what they're doing here is an ad, and didn't implement it intentionally as such? That's not even remotely plausible. In the quantum multiverse which contains all physically realizable possibilities, that isn't one of them.
- plastic041 8mo ago> company with a $2.65 trillion market cap and an army of marketing professionals That's one reason I think they would argue it's not an ad. Another reasons are "recommendations" and "tips" and "suggestions" in my windows.
- antonvs 8mo agoThey might argue it's not an ad but they don't believe or think it's not an ad. There's a big difference.
- plastic041 8mo agoWell, at least their PM thinks(or argue ) it's a tip[0]. Also it's pretty obvious I was just being sarcastic about MS's behaviors. I don't know why you are so mean but please don't be. Have a nice day. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47573233 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47573233
- antonvs 8mo agoThe correct word would be that the PM claims it’s a tip. Now ask yourself whether a PM who realizes he or his team has made a terrible mistake and is doing damage control in public is likely to make only true claims. Correcting your mistakes is not mean. If you didn’t mean what you wrote, well hey, that’s a good example of the difference between what you think and what you say. See how that works?
- kivle 8mo agoA bit like "suggested apps" in the start menu. It's "suggestions" and certainly not paid ads.
- nathanaldensr 8mo agoIt's gaslighting on a worldwide scale is what it is.
- Yizahi 8mo agoThis tip/ad discussion reminds me of the equally idiotic and misleading Facebook post types. Instead of the correctly labeling all ads as, well, ads, Facebook have some ads called "suggested for you", some are completely unlabeled with only a "follow" button to start following, some ads are labeled as "sponsored" etc. I think they are doing this to evade legal limitations they might have otherwise. Last time I used Facebook it showed me 25 ads in a row (I counted), without any of my hundreds of follows with active feeds. Truly insane company.
- heavyset_go 8mo agoIf Microsoft is willing to put ads into your PRs via Copilot like this, imagine what they could put into your codebase itself with Copilot. Or what Microsoft could do, run, install, etc on/from your computer while running their Copilot agents. This is the same company that puts ads in your start menu and reinserts them with Windows updates even if you manually removed them.
- neya 8mo agoImagine just having the copilot extension installed will be an excuse at some point for them to steal our code to train their AI models. Not sure if they already do this.
- justinclift 8mo ago"at some point"? Why the assumption it's not already happening?
- neya 8mo ago> Not sure if they already do this.
- NateEag 8mo agoOf course they already do this. The ToS (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-copilot/for-individuals/termsofuse https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-copilot/for-indivi...) says explicitly: > Copilot may include both automated and manual (human) processing of data. You shouldn’t share any information with Copilot that you don’t want us to review. so they're reserving the right to process whatever it looks at. You're sending them your codebase already, as part of the prompt for generating new snippets, debugging, etc. So they have access to it. They'd be absolute fools not to be using the results of sessions to continue to refine their models, and they already reserved the rights to look at what you send them, so yeah - they're doing it. (Bonus comedy from the ToS: > Copilot is for entertainment purposes only. The lawyers know these things cannot be trusted.)
- mathieudutour 8mo ago> I don't know if Raycast team even knows about this. I'm part of Raycast, we didn't know about it, learnt about it here
- tyleo 8mo agoI haven’t clicked through so all I know about Raycast is, “that’s the company that gets shoved into ads by copilot.” Sounds like it’s not your fault but it’s probably doing some brand damage :/
- delfinom 8mo agoThey should probably get a lawyer to send a C&D.
- buildbot 8mo agoThere’s like 100 comments blaming raycast, they should just sue for damages lol.
- grayhatter 8mo agoHad I not seen this thread, I would have assumed they consented to it, and I'd never willingly interact with Raycast or it's team in any way. I still have a somewhat negative opinion, so I think it's safe to say there are damages.
- tylerchilds 8mo agoAs a data point, I consent to be counted as associating raycast with the Microsoft brand and viewing them negatively as a consequence of using pull requests as an advertising canvas.
- altairprime 8mo agoThey should sue to have the ads removed from the texts they were inserted into, which is a vastly more difficult problem than simply paying some dollars.
- cyanydeez 8mo agoNew age clippy no one wants but M$lop
- m3kw9 8mo agoYou just text replaced Ad with Tip, it’s still an ad
- josefritzishere 8mo agoThis does not look like random chance. It's a pattern of behavior.
- altairprime 8mo agoTheir mistake was editing it into the text bodies, rather than making it a separate element of the page. No doubt they were trying to inhibit adblockers but it’s so much worse a problem for them this way, because they’re presenting an ad in the voice and userpic of the account that made the post.