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> Swift has remained largely an Apple ecosystem Even today, with the fancy Swift 6.3, the experience of using Swift for anything other than apps for Apple plat
by isodev 7mo ago
> Swift has remained largely an Apple ecosystem
Even today, with the fancy Swift 6.3, the experience of using Swift for anything other than apps for Apple platforms is very painful. There is also the question of trust - I don't think anyone would voluntarily introduce Apple "The Gatekeeper" in parts of their stack unless they're forced to do it.
- mathverse 7mo agoYou can use swift on the server but what for? You have a gigantic ecosystems in languages X,Y,Z. Even Apple does not use Swift on the server (AFAIK) so why would you?
- isodev 7mo ago> Even Apple does not use Swift Exactly true - they've created all these "working groups" of open source / volunteers to care for Android / Server / Wasm / ... all while being constraint "as an Apple product". Of course the end result is crappy
- mathverse 7mo agoYea there is no incentive. Why use Swift on the server or in k8s when you have gazillion other languages that are performant and have the ecosystems.
- jshier 7mo agoWhat, of course Apple uses Swift on the server, that's the only reason they're investing in any of this. Many of the foundational Swift on the server libraries were written at Apple and later opened, like SwiftNIO.
- rTX5CMRXIfFG 7mo agoThat's outright false: https://www.swift.org/blog/swift-at-apple-migrating-the-password-monitoring-service-from-java/ https://www.swift.org/blog/swift-at-apple-migrating-the-pass... You could have easily fact-checked before forming an opinion, but at least the buffoon down there agreeing with you is worse
- vips7L 7mo agoMan you gotta touch some grass instead of just insulting people.
- unconscionable 7mo agoSmoking grass can also help with this
- jen20 7mo agoI personally worked on several server-side Swift projects at Apple.