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Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. But I think you finally s

by asim 7mo ago

Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. But I think you finally see a little bit of a flaw in the strategy or just a little bit of insight into what was desperation for relevance and to try to very quickly attain what other companies have attained but essentially what they're seeing is this gradual reduction in ambition and it's only natural for a lot of companies to overreach, but essentially reality and gravity are pulling them back. And as some other people have mentioned wall Street and others see that coding is the prime use case for this where you can make money and have a really profitable business and there are auxiliary functions. Driving addictive content is not really one that should be at the forefront and while many will continue to do that and we'll have all this generative content, I think consumers are slightly smarter now that they don't want to be drawn into this kind of addictive toxic content. Over time we're probably going to see some really broad and strong use cases of AI, but I think in the case of social media or generative content, we have to be a lot more thoughtful about it. And I'm glad that they're shutting down this app as much as it's great to see innovation and technology and to see how far it's pushed. I prefer to see it when someone like Google does it? Because they're really doing it from the standpoint of this has broad applicable applications to something like simulation or training. Not whatever open AI was doing which honestly just doesn't feel very truthful. I feel like they say one thing and do something else or they say one thing and the agenda or something else. And again, I don't know how helpful it is to comment like this, but I feel like if you understand the truth then you should speak the truth even if it only benefits one other person to hear it.

unnamed76ri 7mo ago
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- Rechtsstaat 7mo ago
  I'd argue that for informal uses like HN, this is very much okay! It's grammatically correct and gets the point across. And most importantly, these paragraphs read more like someone's personal voice than some pithy but edited-to-death couple of sentences.
  - laserlight 7mo ago
    > gets the point across If people don't read because the text is an unreadable mess, none of the points get across.
    - laum 7mo ago
      tbh I quite like the style, I get the train of thought and am sure it wasn't written by an LLM.
      - ssl-3 7mo ago
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    - customguy 7mo ago
      I'm a a people. I read it. If you call this an unreadable mess I really don't know what to say. Language is awesome, and it's awesome we can create infinitely long sentences with it. And like open source, if you don't like it, write the one you like :) A long time ago on the myspace forums there was this slightly weird but also very wise and smart person who wrote without any punctuation or paragraphs, ever. Although they were generally liked and part of the community, I think I was the only person who read every single one of their comments in full, religiously, once I realized how insightful they were, and I was richer for it. I could have told them the obvious, how their posts differ from most others on the forums; and they would have posted with less joy and maybe less overall, that would have been it.
      - neonstatic 7mo ago
        While I don't agree with the other poster, that the comment was a mess, sentences were so long, that I had to focus not to lose the point. I think the top comment read a bit too much like stream of consciousness, which as a person I tolerate much more in spoken speech than written one. Still, I liked the comment, but agree it could have been improved.
      - otikik 7mo ago
- Peaches4Rent 7mo ago
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muskstinks 7mo ago
For OpenAI that was and felt like some side husle they were playing around nothing more. Having Disney on their side was def quite a smart/interesting move. At least from one interview, they def had resource issues last year and teams had to fight for it. Can easily be that sora was always priortized down and they realized it doesn't make sense to spend that much capacity while then not being able to push their main model.
- Hendrikto 7mo ago
  It never made sense and was always just burning resources that OpenAI does not have. It reeks so much of desperation. They know they are running out of goodwill and money at breakneck speed. They are just flailing and throwing shit against the wall to see if anything sticks.
  - muskstinks 7mo ago
    Everyone is doing image generation. Its realtivly easy and I would say it would be a people mover if openai wouldn't support this. So they need to be able to do image generation, for which they need image data. They also need to be able to analyze videos for more and better training data like learning or teaching there models from yt and other sources. So they have image generation, image dataset and video dataset. Its not far fetched ata ll or desperate to leverage this base for playing around with video generation. And despite how much money they burn, for a company that size, trying out video generation wasn't that high of a goal post. I'm really surprised by there move and can only imagine that the progress of other models from google and antrophic pulls their teeth and no longer want to invest the compute (not money) to leverage their compute for their main models.
    - Bombthecat 7mo ago
      Oh yeah. Openai didn't have a major image update in a while, no?
      - muskstinks 7mo ago
biztos 7mo ago
We could argue all day about what should be at the forefront, but addictive content isn't going anywhere, because addicts pay up. In this case, maybe not enough to offset the costs; or maybe it just wasn't addictive enough. But it's still early days.
- muvlon 7mo ago
  > because addicts pay up. I think it turns out they don't, not really anyway. And that's exactly why Sora is dead. They figured out that addictive AI slop has been so thoroughly commoditized that you can get it on a ton of other platforms for free, so people don't want to pay for it.
  - jsharpe 7mo ago
    I think the real answer is that Sora-style AI slop videos just aren't as addictive as we thought they'd be. I let my kids have access to the app in the hope they would be inoculated against being obsessed with AI video and it actually worked. They got bored in like 2 days. It simply doesn't compare well with handcrafted short form videos that are already plentiful on TikTok (which I absolutely don't let my kids watch).
    - steveBK123 7mo ago
      Yes, fortunately slop is pretty unwatchable after the novelty wears out. Even the lowest common denominator stuff NFLX churns out is in a different league. I was talking to other people re: difference between code & other domains. Code is, for customer, what it does.. not how it does it. That is - we can get mad about style, idioms, frameworks, language, indentation, linting, verbosity, readability, maintainability but.. it doesn't really matter for the customer if the code does the thing its supposed to do. Many things like entertainment products don't work that way. For a good book/movie/show, a good plot (the what) is table stakes. All of the how matters - dialogue, writing style, casting, camera/sound/lighting work, directing, pacing, sound track, editing, etc. For short format low stakes stuff like online ads, then the AI slop actually probably works however. Same for say making a power point. LLMs can quickly spit out a passable deck I am sure. For a lot of BS job use cases, that's actually probably fine. But if it is the key element of a sales pitch, really it's just advanced auto-formatting/complete, and the human element is still the most important part. For example I doubt all the AI startups are using AI generated sales pitches when they go to VC for funding.
Hendrikto 7mo ago
> where you can make money and have a really profitable business I am not convinced. Nobody is making money, every player is losing money hand over fist.
- steveBK123 7mo ago
  Yes They are just pivoting to stuff that loses money more slowly but maybe has a path to profits eventually…
  - heavyset_go 7mo ago
    Some of these AI companies that promised AGI are going to find out that they're actually IDE plugin subscription companies
    - steveBK123 7mo ago
      I think it remains to be seen if LLMs are even 25% as good at everything else as they are at coding.. which is fine, if they focus and stop promising the world. That alone is huge, if they let go of their egos about putting the entire white collar class out of work..
    - WarmWash 7mo ago
      Coding is a small minority of total generated tokens. It's easy swimming in tech waters all day to think Claude is the pack leader because it writes excellent code, but the reality is that tokens are overwhelmingly coming from OpenAI and Google doing mostly stuff like "Make this e-mail sound nicer" and "What's a cheap vacation spot with warm turquoise waters"
      - steveBK123 7mo ago
        > "Make this e-mail sound nicer" and "What's a cheap vacation spot with warm turquoise waters" Right but I think a lot of these use cases aren't replacing any jobs because it wasn't anyones job. It's just a little polish on existing work (did spell correction in Word kill jobs?) or the stuff that voice assistants have been promising for 10 years.
rdevilla 7mo ago
> I feel like they say one thing and do something else or they say one thing and the agenda or something else. [...] do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men [...] > And again, I don't know how helpful it is to comment like this, but I feel like if you understand the truth then you should speak the truth even if it only benefits one other person to hear it. [...] they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. That man was later nailed to a plank for literally no reason. Nothing is new under the sun.
mark_l_watson 7mo ago
I also prefer seeing a corporation like Google do it for two reasons: generative content might feed their cash cow also known as “YouTube” and Google already has a good base for coding assistants. Google owns, I think, 25% of Anthropic and earns money selling compute infrastructure to Anthropic. Personally I think Antigravity (with Claude and Gemini) and gemini-cli firmly keeps Google in the running as far as AI coding tools goes. I want to do business with companies that have a sustainable business plan. Google’s AI products for tech work, and ProtonMail’s Lumo+ product for all private daily web search and chatbot functionality is enough for me; I used to chase every commercial AI offering but not anymore.
- Bombthecat 7mo ago
  Claude runs now on Google tpus...
cube00 7mo ago
> I think consumers are slightly smarter now that they don't want to be drawn into this kind of addictive toxic content. Considering the large million plus view counts I see AI slop getting on FB and YouTube I'm not seeing this behaviour play out.
Tade0 7mo ago
> I think consumers are slightly smarter now that they don't want to be drawn into this kind of addictive toxic content. The addictive toxic content will go the way of tobacco and explore new markets. Back in 2010 around 11% of the population of Indonesia was connected to the internet. Currently it's closer to 80% - largely via mobile phones. That's approximately 200mln new users. Nigeria and Pakistan are going through the same change, just started later. Since 2016 India alone added more users than the mentioned countries combined. That's a lot of first generation users. More than the entire western population.
- WarmWash 7mo ago
  I'm reminded of a video from the 80's/90's where researchers took a TV to the Amazon to see how "live off the land" tribes reacted to high technology. Apparently they stopped doing everything and just wanted to watch TV all day. And that was just regular old TV. Short form video is a special kind of crack. I see even old people getting hypnotized by it. And even worse, they're terrible at determining if something is AI.
  - ghurtado 7mo ago
    I'm gonna try to remember this comment for the next time someone brings up the boiling frog analogy. Which is usually back to back with the thought that in bygone times "the human mind used to be cleaner / healthier / smarter and it was slowly destroyed by modern living" There's not that much difference between our behavior and that of a chicken fixated on the chalk line in front of it.
    - Tade0 7mo ago
      This. What really happened is that someone figured out what makes people give something their undivided attention and is profiting handsomely off of this finding.
    - andai 7mo ago
      In the 19th century, many authors lamented the frantic, unhealthy pace of modern life.
whywhywhywhy 7mo ago
>I think consumers are slightly smarter now that they don't want to be drawn into this kind of addictive toxic content. They're not, they just already have the habit formed with the place they go to do that. Ultimately anything worth seeing on sora will be reposted to Tiktok.
superultra 7mo ago
Had Waffle House with some friends who mostly work in blue collar industries. One guy who works at a timber mill used Claude code to redo their ordering system. Took him about a month to go from knowing nothing about Claude Code to finishing the system. Basically just copied a proprietary software product that costs them upward $20k a year. They’re keeping that other product to cross check but so far the Claude coded item works great, and is of course more custom to their business. The dudes a hero at work because the system is heads and tails better. Obviously caveat emperor but there are a lot of real world scenarios like this. I think Anthropic and OpenAi are trying to all cool and apple-y with their branding but these use cases are just tools getting work done. Most normal people don’t need or want AGI, or even AI slop videos. They just want their invoicing system to just f-ing work for a change.
- elevation 7mo ago
  > caveat emperor s/emperor/emptor I hope your friend's company spends $20K to harden the deployment of the new app so it doesn't become a deep liability.
  - windexh8er 7mo ago
    Keep dreaming! The best part is is that they'll get popped because of it and have zero clue. Anyone building in any frontier provider currently, but has little background in software, is creating all kinds of new liabilities that didn't exist before. In a school district where I live the IT department developed a password distribution app using Gemini on Google App Script (they didn't even need this part), sent out links with B64 encoded JSON that included: student name, student email, parent email and student password. Yet, when I found it and told them all the ways that it was technically a breach in our state they ran to their 2-bit "cyber security experts" and "legal". They were far more concerned with CYA than understanding the hole they dug themselves. And all of the advice they got back was that it wasn't a breach. They claimed their DPA with Google protected them. I explained how email works and they just ignored me, likely because in our state they are bound by GDPA and won't ever engage in a legitimate conversation via email. The kicker here is they pay for an IDP with built-in mechanisms for password resets (that was the reason for building this: to reset students passwords). One of their cyber security "experts" (a lone guy who has zero credentials from what I found) told them that password resets using the IDP was "not recommended". When pressed on that they were, again, silent. LLMs are creating a huge mess for people now empowered to go well beyond their capabilities and understanding. It's a second coming of the golden age of shitty software that's riddled with even the most basic of security flaws.
k__ 7mo ago
"coding is the prime use case for this where you can make money" Is it? I have the impression GenAI deteriorates the internet both from a content and tech perspective. Bots that waste your time because they don't work well or because they are pushing an agenda, and low quality content that floods social media from people who want to make a quick buck. GitHub and AWS became increasingly unstable. X, Instagram, and WhatsApp are suddenly sprinkled with subtle bugs. Everything just got faster and we got more of it, but nothing of it is good anymore because everyone tries to replace 90% of their work with GenAI instead ofmaybe starting at 10-20% and then add more when you're sure it works.
- alcasa 7mo ago
  I fear people will just get used to it. Nobody gets tailored clothing anyhmore and people don't question that we have standardized sizes that don't really fit anyone properly. People commonly buy standardized furniture and rarely get something to a specific for their room. If cheaper software (I mean thats mostly what it is) gets the job done, we will probably just keep doing that, even if that means we lose something in the process.
  - Bombthecat 7mo ago
    Yeah, someone wrote: the future of apps, one user, me
  - k__ 7mo ago
    Fair. I just have the feeling that it doesn't get the job done anymore. I hope we will see the rise of alternatives.
  - runarberg 7mo ago
    Your analogy is one indirection from being a fit. Factories usually get custom solutions for their production facilities, tailor made by specialist engineers. They then run the production and deliver mass produced goods to the markets. We software engineers aren’t delivering tailor made solutions straight to the consumer markets. We are much more like the engineers who set up the machinery in the production facility, and our software is much closer to that machinery then it is to the mass produced table you buy at Ikea.
empath75 7mo ago
I had fun with it for about a week, but the thing that disappointed me the most wasn't the technology, it was the _people_. You have a machine that can make anything you can imagine, and the space of what people were exploring was so _small_.
muskstinks 7mo ago
Coding is one topic but the big one is agentic ai. You will have an agent like your seo expert, this agent will be able to use common tools like google seo, facebook seo etc. and you will teach how you want it to do its 'job'. You will have a way of delivering your requirements to it, it will run in the background, might ask for feedback but will otherwise do stuff similiar to whatever person was doing it before. There might be some transition phase like verifing the data of the real person vs. the agentic ai then moving over to only validation until the agentic agent is in avg as good as a human. Then the human will be gone. Agentic will take basic support tasks (its actually already doing this) first, then more complicated things etc. For this we need an ecosystem aka the agentic ai platform, interconnect between agent and tools and this stuff is currently getting build by someone one way or the other. On scale we need more capacity and these agents will also cost more money than a 20$ subscription. But if you have a, lets say SAP agent, it will be build once, trained once and than used by everyone. Instead of a person using a HR system or billing system, the agent will bridge the gap between data and system.
- short_sells_poo 7mo ago
  I see where you are going with this, but IMO this is not a technical problem but a legal problem. Who will be held responsible when an AI agent messes up the HR system and the company is exposed to losses due to a mistake? Who is going to be responsible when your SEO agent overspends? Ultimately, it's going to be you most likely, because I can't see AI firms taking this responsibility. You might argue that right now it also falls on the employer, since employees are rarely held responsible for genuine mistakes, even if it ends in disaster, however you have a lot of agency over what an employee is doing. Their motivation is generally correlated with doing well, because past success ensures future career growth. An AI agent has no such incentives. The AI company will just charge you some minimal fee to provide the service, and if it messes up, will wash their hands of responsibility and tell you that you should've been more careful in using it. I dislike Taleb for various reasons, but using AI agents is basically the definition of a fragile system. It works 99% of the time, lulling people into this sense of security where they can just offload all their work very conveniently. And then 1% of the time (or 0.01% of the time), it ends in utter disaster, which people are very bad at dealing with.
QuantumGood 7mo ago
> "reality and gravity are pulling them back" I like the framing of trying explosive things to escape the pull of gravity. When applied to rockets, it means a lot of stuff blowing up, which again seems apt.
- marcosdumay 7mo ago
  Bubbles either inflate or pop... But I'm not sure we would even notice nowadays. It used to be a disaster that could take people's attention for years, but currently, it may get lost in the noise.
WarcrimeActual 7mo ago
>Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. Ironically, starting your response with this guarantees a lot of people won't read it. It's the same as going on reddit and starting a reply with, "Nobody will see this but", and hoping that people try to prove you wrong by reading and commenting on it. I stopped after the first sentence. People really have to stop with the clickbait vomit way of writing.
Gooblebrai 7mo ago
> coding is the prime use case for this where you can make money Which makes me wonder... what's the business model long-term of AI generated art places?
- mitkebes 7mo ago
  A growing business right now is using AI art for product images for Amazon/etc listings. There are lots of ComfyUI workflows for it, you put in a picture of the product, some photos of people, and it can spit out images of the people wearing it. Many product images are currently done through photoshop/etc, but this is quicker and can look more realistic. It may not accurately represent how the product will actually look when worn, but that's not the seller's primary concern.
ricksunny 6mo ago
>Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. Use flameview: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25713858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25713858 Life-changing for HN users.

by asim 7mo ago

unnamed76ri 7mo ago

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Rechtsstaat 7mo ago
I'd argue that for informal uses like HN, this is very much okay! It's grammatically correct and gets the point across. And most importantly, these paragraphs read more like someone's personal voice than some pithy but edited-to-death couple of sentences.
- laserlight 7mo ago
  > gets the point across If people don't read because the text is an unreadable mess, none of the points get across.
  - laum 7mo ago
    tbh I quite like the style, I get the train of thought and am sure it wasn't written by an LLM.
    - ssl-3 7mo ago
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  - customguy 7mo ago
    I'm a a people. I read it. If you call this an unreadable mess I really don't know what to say. Language is awesome, and it's awesome we can create infinitely long sentences with it. And like open source, if you don't like it, write the one you like :) A long time ago on the myspace forums there was this slightly weird but also very wise and smart person who wrote without any punctuation or paragraphs, ever. Although they were generally liked and part of the community, I think I was the only person who read every single one of their comments in full, religiously, once I realized how insightful they were, and I was richer for it. I could have told them the obvious, how their posts differ from most others on the forums; and they would have posted with less joy and maybe less overall, that would have been it.
    - neonstatic 7mo ago
      While I don't agree with the other poster, that the comment was a mess, sentences were so long, that I had to focus not to lose the point. I think the top comment read a bit too much like stream of consciousness, which as a person I tolerate much more in spoken speech than written one. Still, I liked the comment, but agree it could have been improved.
    - otikik 7mo ago
Peaches4Rent 7mo ago
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muskstinks 7mo ago

For OpenAI that was and felt like some side husle they were playing around nothing more. Having Disney on their side was def quite a smart/interesting move. At least from one interview, they def had resource issues last year and teams had to fight for it. Can easily be that sora was always priortized down and they realized it doesn't make sense to spend that much capacity while then not being able to push their main model.

Hendrikto 7mo ago
It never made sense and was always just burning resources that OpenAI does not have. It reeks so much of desperation. They know they are running out of goodwill and money at breakneck speed. They are just flailing and throwing shit against the wall to see if anything sticks.
- muskstinks 7mo ago
  Everyone is doing image generation. Its realtivly easy and I would say it would be a people mover if openai wouldn't support this. So they need to be able to do image generation, for which they need image data. They also need to be able to analyze videos for more and better training data like learning or teaching there models from yt and other sources. So they have image generation, image dataset and video dataset. Its not far fetched ata ll or desperate to leverage this base for playing around with video generation. And despite how much money they burn, for a company that size, trying out video generation wasn't that high of a goal post. I'm really surprised by there move and can only imagine that the progress of other models from google and antrophic pulls their teeth and no longer want to invest the compute (not money) to leverage their compute for their main models.
  - Bombthecat 7mo ago
    Oh yeah. Openai didn't have a major image update in a while, no?
    - muskstinks 7mo ago

biztos 7mo ago

We could argue all day about what should be at the forefront, but addictive content isn't going anywhere, because addicts pay up. In this case, maybe not enough to offset the costs; or maybe it just wasn't addictive enough. But it's still early days.

muvlon 7mo ago
> because addicts pay up. I think it turns out they don't, not really anyway. And that's exactly why Sora is dead. They figured out that addictive AI slop has been so thoroughly commoditized that you can get it on a ton of other platforms for free, so people don't want to pay for it.
- jsharpe 7mo ago
  I think the real answer is that Sora-style AI slop videos just aren't as addictive as we thought they'd be. I let my kids have access to the app in the hope they would be inoculated against being obsessed with AI video and it actually worked. They got bored in like 2 days. It simply doesn't compare well with handcrafted short form videos that are already plentiful on TikTok (which I absolutely don't let my kids watch).
  - steveBK123 7mo ago
    Yes, fortunately slop is pretty unwatchable after the novelty wears out. Even the lowest common denominator stuff NFLX churns out is in a different league. I was talking to other people re: difference between code & other domains. Code is, for customer, what it does.. not how it does it. That is - we can get mad about style, idioms, frameworks, language, indentation, linting, verbosity, readability, maintainability but.. it doesn't really matter for the customer if the code does the thing its supposed to do. Many things like entertainment products don't work that way. For a good book/movie/show, a good plot (the what) is table stakes. All of the how matters - dialogue, writing style, casting, camera/sound/lighting work, directing, pacing, sound track, editing, etc. For short format low stakes stuff like online ads, then the AI slop actually probably works however. Same for say making a power point. LLMs can quickly spit out a passable deck I am sure. For a lot of BS job use cases, that's actually probably fine. But if it is the key element of a sales pitch, really it's just advanced auto-formatting/complete, and the human element is still the most important part. For example I doubt all the AI startups are using AI generated sales pitches when they go to VC for funding.

Hendrikto 7mo ago

> where you can make money and have a really profitable business I am not convinced. Nobody is making money, every player is losing money hand over fist.

steveBK123 7mo ago
Yes They are just pivoting to stuff that loses money more slowly but maybe has a path to profits eventually…
- heavyset_go 7mo ago
  Some of these AI companies that promised AGI are going to find out that they're actually IDE plugin subscription companies
  - steveBK123 7mo ago
    I think it remains to be seen if LLMs are even 25% as good at everything else as they are at coding.. which is fine, if they focus and stop promising the world. That alone is huge, if they let go of their egos about putting the entire white collar class out of work..
  - WarmWash 7mo ago
    Coding is a small minority of total generated tokens. It's easy swimming in tech waters all day to think Claude is the pack leader because it writes excellent code, but the reality is that tokens are overwhelmingly coming from OpenAI and Google doing mostly stuff like "Make this e-mail sound nicer" and "What's a cheap vacation spot with warm turquoise waters"
    - steveBK123 7mo ago
      > "Make this e-mail sound nicer" and "What's a cheap vacation spot with warm turquoise waters" Right but I think a lot of these use cases aren't replacing any jobs because it wasn't anyones job. It's just a little polish on existing work (did spell correction in Word kill jobs?) or the stuff that voice assistants have been promising for 10 years.

rdevilla 7mo ago

> I feel like they say one thing and do something else or they say one thing and the agenda or something else. [...] do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men [...] > And again, I don't know how helpful it is to comment like this, but I feel like if you understand the truth then you should speak the truth even if it only benefits one other person to hear it. [...] they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. That man was later nailed to a plank for literally no reason. Nothing is new under the sun.

mark_l_watson 7mo ago

I also prefer seeing a corporation like Google do it for two reasons: generative content might feed their cash cow also known as “YouTube” and Google already has a good base for coding assistants. Google owns, I think, 25% of Anthropic and earns money selling compute infrastructure to Anthropic. Personally I think Antigravity (with Claude and Gemini) and gemini-cli firmly keeps Google in the running as far as AI coding tools goes. I want to do business with companies that have a sustainable business plan. Google’s AI products for tech work, and ProtonMail’s Lumo+ product for all private daily web search and chatbot functionality is enough for me; I used to chase every commercial AI offering but not anymore.

Bombthecat 7mo ago
Claude runs now on Google tpus...

cube00 7mo ago

> I think consumers are slightly smarter now that they don't want to be drawn into this kind of addictive toxic content. Considering the large million plus view counts I see AI slop getting on FB and YouTube I'm not seeing this behaviour play out.

Tade0 7mo ago

> I think consumers are slightly smarter now that they don't want to be drawn into this kind of addictive toxic content. The addictive toxic content will go the way of tobacco and explore new markets. Back in 2010 around 11% of the population of Indonesia was connected to the internet. Currently it's closer to 80% - largely via mobile phones. That's approximately 200mln new users. Nigeria and Pakistan are going through the same change, just started later. Since 2016 India alone added more users than the mentioned countries combined. That's a lot of first generation users. More than the entire western population.

WarmWash 7mo ago
I'm reminded of a video from the 80's/90's where researchers took a TV to the Amazon to see how "live off the land" tribes reacted to high technology. Apparently they stopped doing everything and just wanted to watch TV all day. And that was just regular old TV. Short form video is a special kind of crack. I see even old people getting hypnotized by it. And even worse, they're terrible at determining if something is AI.
- ghurtado 7mo ago
  I'm gonna try to remember this comment for the next time someone brings up the boiling frog analogy. Which is usually back to back with the thought that in bygone times "the human mind used to be cleaner / healthier / smarter and it was slowly destroyed by modern living" There's not that much difference between our behavior and that of a chicken fixated on the chalk line in front of it.
  - Tade0 7mo ago
    This. What really happened is that someone figured out what makes people give something their undivided attention and is profiting handsomely off of this finding.
  - andai 7mo ago
    In the 19th century, many authors lamented the frantic, unhealthy pace of modern life.

whywhywhywhy 7mo ago

>I think consumers are slightly smarter now that they don't want to be drawn into this kind of addictive toxic content. They're not, they just already have the habit formed with the place they go to do that. Ultimately anything worth seeing on sora will be reposted to Tiktok.

superultra 7mo ago

Had Waffle House with some friends who mostly work in blue collar industries. One guy who works at a timber mill used Claude code to redo their ordering system. Took him about a month to go from knowing nothing about Claude Code to finishing the system. Basically just copied a proprietary software product that costs them upward $20k a year. They’re keeping that other product to cross check but so far the Claude coded item works great, and is of course more custom to their business. The dudes a hero at work because the system is heads and tails better. Obviously caveat emperor but there are a lot of real world scenarios like this. I think Anthropic and OpenAi are trying to all cool and apple-y with their branding but these use cases are just tools getting work done. Most normal people don’t need or want AGI, or even AI slop videos. They just want their invoicing system to just f-ing work for a change.

elevation 7mo ago
> caveat emperor s/emperor/emptor I hope your friend's company spends $20K to harden the deployment of the new app so it doesn't become a deep liability.
- windexh8er 7mo ago
  Keep dreaming! The best part is is that they'll get popped because of it and have zero clue. Anyone building in any frontier provider currently, but has little background in software, is creating all kinds of new liabilities that didn't exist before. In a school district where I live the IT department developed a password distribution app using Gemini on Google App Script (they didn't even need this part), sent out links with B64 encoded JSON that included: student name, student email, parent email and student password. Yet, when I found it and told them all the ways that it was technically a breach in our state they ran to their 2-bit "cyber security experts" and "legal". They were far more concerned with CYA than understanding the hole they dug themselves. And all of the advice they got back was that it wasn't a breach. They claimed their DPA with Google protected them. I explained how email works and they just ignored me, likely because in our state they are bound by GDPA and won't ever engage in a legitimate conversation via email. The kicker here is they pay for an IDP with built-in mechanisms for password resets (that was the reason for building this: to reset students passwords). One of their cyber security "experts" (a lone guy who has zero credentials from what I found) told them that password resets using the IDP was "not recommended". When pressed on that they were, again, silent. LLMs are creating a huge mess for people now empowered to go well beyond their capabilities and understanding. It's a second coming of the golden age of shitty software that's riddled with even the most basic of security flaws.

k__ 7mo ago

"coding is the prime use case for this where you can make money" Is it? I have the impression GenAI deteriorates the internet both from a content and tech perspective. Bots that waste your time because they don't work well or because they are pushing an agenda, and low quality content that floods social media from people who want to make a quick buck. GitHub and AWS became increasingly unstable. X, Instagram, and WhatsApp are suddenly sprinkled with subtle bugs. Everything just got faster and we got more of it, but nothing of it is good anymore because everyone tries to replace 90% of their work with GenAI instead ofmaybe starting at 10-20% and then add more when you're sure it works.

alcasa 7mo ago
I fear people will just get used to it. Nobody gets tailored clothing anyhmore and people don't question that we have standardized sizes that don't really fit anyone properly. People commonly buy standardized furniture and rarely get something to a specific for their room. If cheaper software (I mean thats mostly what it is) gets the job done, we will probably just keep doing that, even if that means we lose something in the process.
- Bombthecat 7mo ago
  Yeah, someone wrote: the future of apps, one user, me
- k__ 7mo ago
  Fair. I just have the feeling that it doesn't get the job done anymore. I hope we will see the rise of alternatives.
- runarberg 7mo ago
  Your analogy is one indirection from being a fit. Factories usually get custom solutions for their production facilities, tailor made by specialist engineers. They then run the production and deliver mass produced goods to the markets. We software engineers aren’t delivering tailor made solutions straight to the consumer markets. We are much more like the engineers who set up the machinery in the production facility, and our software is much closer to that machinery then it is to the mass produced table you buy at Ikea.

empath75 7mo ago

I had fun with it for about a week, but the thing that disappointed me the most wasn't the technology, it was the _people_. You have a machine that can make anything you can imagine, and the space of what people were exploring was so _small_.

muskstinks 7mo ago

Coding is one topic but the big one is agentic ai. You will have an agent like your seo expert, this agent will be able to use common tools like google seo, facebook seo etc. and you will teach how you want it to do its 'job'. You will have a way of delivering your requirements to it, it will run in the background, might ask for feedback but will otherwise do stuff similiar to whatever person was doing it before. There might be some transition phase like verifing the data of the real person vs. the agentic ai then moving over to only validation until the agentic agent is in avg as good as a human. Then the human will be gone. Agentic will take basic support tasks (its actually already doing this) first, then more complicated things etc. For this we need an ecosystem aka the agentic ai platform, interconnect between agent and tools and this stuff is currently getting build by someone one way or the other. On scale we need more capacity and these agents will also cost more money than a 20$ subscription. But if you have a, lets say SAP agent, it will be build once, trained once and than used by everyone. Instead of a person using a HR system or billing system, the agent will bridge the gap between data and system.

short_sells_poo 7mo ago
I see where you are going with this, but IMO this is not a technical problem but a legal problem. Who will be held responsible when an AI agent messes up the HR system and the company is exposed to losses due to a mistake? Who is going to be responsible when your SEO agent overspends? Ultimately, it's going to be you most likely, because I can't see AI firms taking this responsibility. You might argue that right now it also falls on the employer, since employees are rarely held responsible for genuine mistakes, even if it ends in disaster, however you have a lot of agency over what an employee is doing. Their motivation is generally correlated with doing well, because past success ensures future career growth. An AI agent has no such incentives. The AI company will just charge you some minimal fee to provide the service, and if it messes up, will wash their hands of responsibility and tell you that you should've been more careful in using it. I dislike Taleb for various reasons, but using AI agents is basically the definition of a fragile system. It works 99% of the time, lulling people into this sense of security where they can just offload all their work very conveniently. And then 1% of the time (or 0.01% of the time), it ends in utter disaster, which people are very bad at dealing with.

QuantumGood 7mo ago

> "reality and gravity are pulling them back" I like the framing of trying explosive things to escape the pull of gravity. When applied to rockets, it means a lot of stuff blowing up, which again seems apt.

marcosdumay 7mo ago
Bubbles either inflate or pop... But I'm not sure we would even notice nowadays. It used to be a disaster that could take people's attention for years, but currently, it may get lost in the noise.

WarcrimeActual 7mo ago

>Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. Ironically, starting your response with this guarantees a lot of people won't read it. It's the same as going on reddit and starting a reply with, "Nobody will see this but", and hoping that people try to prove you wrong by reading and commenting on it. I stopped after the first sentence. People really have to stop with the clickbait vomit way of writing.

Gooblebrai 7mo ago

> coding is the prime use case for this where you can make money Which makes me wonder... what's the business model long-term of AI generated art places?

mitkebes 7mo ago
A growing business right now is using AI art for product images for Amazon/etc listings. There are lots of ComfyUI workflows for it, you put in a picture of the product, some photos of people, and it can spit out images of the people wearing it. Many product images are currently done through photoshop/etc, but this is quicker and can look more realistic. It may not accurately represent how the product will actually look when worn, but that's not the seller's primary concern.

ricksunny 6mo ago

>Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. Use flameview: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25713858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25713858 Life-changing for HN users.