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> that had an avowed goal of “death to America”. 31 million people just woke up and decided to hate America? Or.. was there a little more to that story?

sph 7mo ago
The hatred has been there since the 70s, at the very least. Watched a great video on Iran from Rick Steves filmed in 2009, and when he visited a mosque there was a large sign calling for the death of America and Israel.
- Hikikomori 7mo ago
  They just hate American freedom or what?
- phs318u 7mo ago
  You know history goes back before the 70’s right?
  - singleshot_ 7mo ago
    Maybe he means 70-79 CE
    - defrost 7mo ago
      500+ years prior the Greeks and Iranians were going at it for half a century in the Greco-Persian Wars (499 BC - 449 BC). That's, what, 2,000 years before the settlement of Jamestown by Europeans.
- megous 7mo ago
  "death of America and Israel" These are states. A particular instance of cooperating individuals, with some overall vector of behavior that affects people elsewhere. Wishing for that to end is hate how exactly? I would not mind, and I actually wish america and israel and russia and few other states end as they are today (not just a mild refactoring, end and split to 10s of smaller independent entities, that can cause a lot less harm individually) and end up with reduced externalities on the rest of the world, and lot less power to walk over rest of us. I don't even mind calling it death to america or whatever, because it would be. So why not.
  - darepublic 7mo ago
    The fact that you can rationalize those statements is a pure example of western self sabotage. Please leave your doors unlocked at night, leave food out for the raccoons and always trust in the kindness of strangers. Especially those expressing a desire of death to your vector of behaviour
    - megous 7mo ago
      Self-sabotage is comming from the top. Not from people on the bottom, who still have some lingering mild beliefs about justice or a desire to treat other humans in non-violent ways.
- bigfatkitten 7mo ago
  Since the 1950s, and I wonder why that might be? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...
- orwin 7mo ago
  For anyone saying that's dumb: it's not even true. Iran real issue with the USA started with the iran-iraq war, where Iraq had the support of the US, and used US-made chemical weapons against civilians.
throw310822 7mo ago
> death to America These Iranians are so evil they want to kill even love: https://fa-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%D9%85%D8%B1%DA%AF_%D8%A8%D8%B1_%D8%B9%D8%B4%D9%82?_x_tr_sl=fa&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://fa-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%D9%85%D8%B1%DA...

sph 7mo ago

The hatred has been there since the 70s, at the very least. Watched a great video on Iran from Rick Steves filmed in 2009, and when he visited a mosque there was a large sign calling for the death of America and Israel.

Hikikomori 7mo ago
They just hate American freedom or what?
phs318u 7mo ago
You know history goes back before the 70’s right?
- singleshot_ 7mo ago
  Maybe he means 70-79 CE
  - defrost 7mo ago
    500+ years prior the Greeks and Iranians were going at it for half a century in the Greco-Persian Wars (499 BC - 449 BC). That's, what, 2,000 years before the settlement of Jamestown by Europeans.
megous 7mo ago
"death of America and Israel" These are states. A particular instance of cooperating individuals, with some overall vector of behavior that affects people elsewhere. Wishing for that to end is hate how exactly? I would not mind, and I actually wish america and israel and russia and few other states end as they are today (not just a mild refactoring, end and split to 10s of smaller independent entities, that can cause a lot less harm individually) and end up with reduced externalities on the rest of the world, and lot less power to walk over rest of us. I don't even mind calling it death to america or whatever, because it would be. So why not.
- darepublic 7mo ago
  The fact that you can rationalize those statements is a pure example of western self sabotage. Please leave your doors unlocked at night, leave food out for the raccoons and always trust in the kindness of strangers. Especially those expressing a desire of death to your vector of behaviour
  - megous 7mo ago
    Self-sabotage is comming from the top. Not from people on the bottom, who still have some lingering mild beliefs about justice or a desire to treat other humans in non-violent ways.
bigfatkitten 7mo ago
Since the 1950s, and I wonder why that might be? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...
orwin 7mo ago
For anyone saying that's dumb: it's not even true. Iran real issue with the USA started with the iran-iraq war, where Iraq had the support of the US, and used US-made chemical weapons against civilians.

throw310822 7mo ago

> death to America These Iranians are so evil they want to kill even love: https://fa-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%D9%85%D8%B1%DA%AF_%D8%A8%D8%B1_%D8%B9%D8%B4%D9%82?_x_tr_sl=fa&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://fa-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%D9%85%D8%B1%DA...