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Um, this is not an example of hypocrisy? If I punch you in the nose, I am not a hypocrite if I block your attempt to punch me back.
by tptacek 8mo ago
Um, this is not an example of hypocrisy? If I punch you in the nose, I am not a hypocrite if I block your attempt to punch me back.
- convolvatron 8mo agoapparently the kind of people that whine the most loudly about being punched turn out to be real avid punchers themselves.
- tptacek 8mo agoPeople who are good at punching tend also to be good at avoiding punches.
- machomaster 8mo agoPeople who see any problem as being fixable by punching, have a way higher change of getting into the fight, get their noses/hands broked as well as to cause the overall distraction, for themselves, alleged enemies (victims) and their own family.
- CoastalCoder 8mo agoGood point. If people are calling this hypocrisy, then I suspect there's a larger moral argument that hasn't been articulated.
- fooqux 8mo agoI'm pretty sure they don't care about hypocrisy. They have the power to do this and get away with it, so they do.
- tptacek 8mo agoOh, I agree, but the article says: There is an element of hypocrisy in all this because American intelligence agencies were previously caught intercepting Cisco-made routers on their way to customers No there isn't! That's not hypocritical! Words mean things!
- orwin 8mo agoI agree it's not hypocrisy, but I can see the element of hypocrisy, if I understand their meaning correctly.
- tptacek 8mo agoCan you help me understand it then? I assume it's some kind of "turnabout is fair play" thing?
- linksnapzz 8mo ago"L'hypocrisie est un hommage que le vice rend à la vertu." Rochfoucauld didn't miss.
- machomaster 8mo agoCountry X1 is claiming that country X2 is allegedly doing bad thing Z. If it turns out that it is the country X2 that is actually doing Z, you would call it hypocritical, wouldn't you? Like Russia talking about the importance of international law and sovereignty of Iran. Like Israel speaking how much against Holocaust/genocide they are. Snd words do mean things and they don't discriminate. So all the "it's only bad when others do it, for us there is an exception" defence is invalid. It is indeed hypocritical.
- esafak 8mo agoNo-one will be sad if you do get punched in the nose.
- adventured 8mo agoThe US hasn't really needed that kind of sympathy since the 1860s Civil War. Other nations being sad when you get punched in the nose is only useful if you have no effective way to respond. Half the world disliked the US during the Cold War. People act like any of what is going on is new.
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- nclin_ 8mo agoPower revels in hypocrisy: Rules protect the in-group but do not bind them, and bind the out-group but do not protect them. It's not just logical, it's affective: There is a real pleasure in domination, and a real fear in any loss of control. It feels good to be strong, to be in control, to be protected but not bound. Domination is hegemony, hegemony is safety. These billionaires genuinely feel themselves to be oppressed if their power is threatened in any way. [1] --- [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no
- tptacek 8mo agoLife is a mystery. Everyone must stand alone!
- tialaramex 8mo agoThe version of CryptoPals we wished for but didn't deserve? I listen to "Ice Ice Matrix" more often than I'd like to admit and every time I hear "Did you stop?" "No, I just drove by" I remember years ago solving these toy examples.
- hulitu 8mo agoLike a virgin, hacked for the very first time, like a virgin, put your router next to mine.
- ranger_danger 8mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Wilhoit_(composer)#Wilhoit's_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Wilhoit_(composer)#Wilho...
- GorbachevyChase 8mo agoThere is no rule based order, and when it comes to state security establishments, the US or any other, there are no good guys.
- tptacek 8mo agoI agree with that too, but that doesn't make the "hypocrisy" line make any more sense.
- keybored 8mo agoUS domestic propaganda is built on hypocrisy (we need to stop X from doing Y... which we or our allies are doing already). It might not be explicitly stated right here, on this matter (contrary to The Register), but that’s the backdrop. Calling it hypocrisy is at the very least good propaganda to try to wake Americans up from their stupor. Admittedly though with Trump there’s no hypocritical propaganda any more. He just says he “wants the oil” or whatever.
- tptacek 8mo agoIt is not my argument that the US isn't generally hypocritical.
- keybored 7mo agoReally I’m just bringing up irrelevant stuff. The mood now is certainly to just punch people in the face and then have no shame about what a scumbag you are. What? Who told you that I care about anything but myself? Sucker, I never even pretended to care. No more pretending. No more games. Just raw shamelessness.
- keybored 7mo ago> just punch people in the face and then have no shame about what a scumbag you are. I’m more of a Realist, akshually. But the amoral State isn’t the only entity here.
- danparsonson 8mo agoOn the other hand, if you punch someone in the nose and then loudly declare that your treehouse is the only safe place and everyone else is forbidden from entering because people have been punching people in the nose lately, then that does have a ring of hypocrisy about it doesn't it? The US is not banning its own routers.
- andor 8mo agoThis makes sense if you assume that 1) Foreigners are all trying to punch you 2) Your government is not 3) The FCC is acting in the citizens' best interest and this is actually the best way to increase security for router consumers. Are 2 and 3 valid assumptions at the moment? In the extremely polarized US, that probably depends on your political affiliation. From the outside, I can't tell if this is a power grab, protectionism or just a decision I cannot get behind. Vulnerabilities and backdoors in US network equipment prove that "Made in USA" does not necessarily improve security. What the ban does improve is the administration's control over what's sold.
- satisfice 8mo agoNone of these assumptions are required to avoid hypocrisy.