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So Apple Intelligence doesn't bother you?

ebb_earl_co 7mo ago
Is it incontrovertibly built in to macOS? I have an iPhone and have never enabled it or Siri, so maybe there is similar off switch for macOS.
- hyperhello 7mo ago
  It’s like Siri, or spell check, if you don’t use it you turn it off and it doesn’t bother you again.
packetlost 7mo ago
Apple Intelligence has a global off button that actually works. It's unobtrusive anyways. Copilot on the other hand...
- nixpulvis 7mo ago
  So the issue isn't actually that it's baked into the OS, it's that you should have control over when it's used.
  - Forgeties79 7mo ago
    Apple intelligence even when activated is just not as annoying and obtrusive.
  - packetlost 7mo ago
    I'm not GP, so I can't comment on where their line is, but for me the difference between Copilot and Apple Intelligence is that I can turn off the latter and never see anything about it again. Copilot, on the other hand, is everywhere and it's almost all universally buggy garbage, even when it's disabled. I actually trust the Apple Intelligence, when off, doesn't exfiltrate my data.
    - nixpulvis 7mo ago
      Yea I respect that. I too would not want any unprompted access to my files. At the end of the day this issue is that we don't trust the OS and we cannot easily validate how it is designed to behave.
    - amatecha 7mo ago
      Oh yeah and even when you turn off preferences/settings/features in Windows, they mysteriously come back later in one of the unilateral forced updates, against your wishes.
  - brailsafe 7mo ago
    > So the issue isn't actually that it's baked into the OS, it's that you should have control over when it's used. Baked into the OS implies that it's integral to its operation in a way that the two are fundamentally inseparable. Having a global off switch implies that's not true. There are other irritating baked in aspects of the newest macos and other recent versions that are arguably less avoidable, like Tahoe's entire UI design, or the Settings app.
  - dawnerd 7mo ago
    The real issue is copilot is implemented in their apps inconsistently. Very clear there’s little cross app planning. Apples solution is global and apps and hook into it or not. And if you turn it off apps done break.
threetonesun 7mo ago
Apple Intelligence is basically unseen in day to day use.
- Gigachad 7mo ago
  This is it. You can easily disable the whole thing with one toggle, and even when it's on it never gets in your face.
jimbokun 7mo ago
I use Macs for both work and personal use and I don't really notice Apple Intelligence. Maybe it's doing stuff that doesn't rise to my level of attention, but it isn't actively annoying me.
bdangubic 7mo ago
You like it you turn it On, you don’t you turn it Off
thih9 7mo ago
FWIW, I clicked “skip” on a popup to set up apple intelligence and I didn’t see it again. Of course this might change in future. And Mac OS has other popups where there is no “skip” and only “remind me later”.
- nixpulvis 7mo ago
  Not technically under the umbrella of Apple Intelligence, but you might be surprised to find out what photoanalysisd is doing.
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  - mbrameld 7mo ago
    And if the surprise is unpleasant you can disable it by turning off memories and holidays in the settings of the photo app. Not so easy to escape Copilot on Windows.
  - aucisson_masque 7mo ago
    That's not nearly comparable tho. I don't care it's watching my photo as long as it doesn't annoy me when I want to watch them. Copilot is everywhere, you got to actively avoid it like the plague it is.
- szatkus 7mo ago
  That's more or less my experience with Copilot on Windows.
  - Someone1234 7mo ago
    Even the linked blog post indicates that that is not the case. Windows has Copilot buttons on practically every built in application, a taskbar icon, and a dedicated physical keyboard key that people commonly accidentally hit (contractually required for OEMs to provide). They also actively promote Copilot in the OS (particularly Home Edition with nothing disabled e.g. "Tips," Notification Spam, Recommendations, etc). Nobody can predict what Apple will do tomorrow, but as of today, they aren't really pushing Siri/Apple intelligence really hard particularly after initial setup. None of most of the above for example.
sgt 7mo ago
Have you even tried it? I'm a Mac user for 20+ years and I'm running Tahoe. Not once have I ever thought about Apple Intelligence. I don't even notice it. I think you have to switch it on.
- nixpulvis 7mo ago
  Yes, that's my point though. It's not about being built into the OS, it's about being controllable.
malux85 7mo ago
I use apple products daily and apple intelligence has never interrupted me. I don't even know what it is. So, no.
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thiht 7mo ago
I don’t think I’ve ever even noticed Siri/Apple intelligence on macOS. I’ve disabled it somehow (probably at install) and have not heard about it since
slopinthebag 7mo ago
Why would Apple Intelligence bother them? It's very unobtrusive and actually useful when it's visible. I literally don't notice it except when it's helpful.

Is it incontrovertibly built in to macOS? I have an iPhone and have never enabled it or Siri, so maybe there is similar off switch for macOS.

hyperhello 7mo ago
It’s like Siri, or spell check, if you don’t use it you turn it off and it doesn’t bother you again.

packetlost 7mo ago

Apple Intelligence has a global off button that actually works. It's unobtrusive anyways. Copilot on the other hand...

nixpulvis 7mo ago
So the issue isn't actually that it's baked into the OS, it's that you should have control over when it's used.
- Forgeties79 7mo ago
  Apple intelligence even when activated is just not as annoying and obtrusive.
- packetlost 7mo ago
  I'm not GP, so I can't comment on where their line is, but for me the difference between Copilot and Apple Intelligence is that I can turn off the latter and never see anything about it again. Copilot, on the other hand, is everywhere and it's almost all universally buggy garbage, even when it's disabled. I actually trust the Apple Intelligence, when off, doesn't exfiltrate my data.
  - nixpulvis 7mo ago
    Yea I respect that. I too would not want any unprompted access to my files. At the end of the day this issue is that we don't trust the OS and we cannot easily validate how it is designed to behave.
  - amatecha 7mo ago
    Oh yeah and even when you turn off preferences/settings/features in Windows, they mysteriously come back later in one of the unilateral forced updates, against your wishes.
- brailsafe 7mo ago
  > So the issue isn't actually that it's baked into the OS, it's that you should have control over when it's used. Baked into the OS implies that it's integral to its operation in a way that the two are fundamentally inseparable. Having a global off switch implies that's not true. There are other irritating baked in aspects of the newest macos and other recent versions that are arguably less avoidable, like Tahoe's entire UI design, or the Settings app.
- dawnerd 7mo ago
  The real issue is copilot is implemented in their apps inconsistently. Very clear there’s little cross app planning. Apples solution is global and apps and hook into it or not. And if you turn it off apps done break.

threetonesun 7mo ago

Apple Intelligence is basically unseen in day to day use.

Gigachad 7mo ago
This is it. You can easily disable the whole thing with one toggle, and even when it's on it never gets in your face.

jimbokun 7mo ago

I use Macs for both work and personal use and I don't really notice Apple Intelligence. Maybe it's doing stuff that doesn't rise to my level of attention, but it isn't actively annoying me.

bdangubic 7mo ago

You like it you turn it On, you don’t you turn it Off

thih9 7mo ago

FWIW, I clicked “skip” on a popup to set up apple intelligence and I didn’t see it again. Of course this might change in future. And Mac OS has other popups where there is no “skip” and only “remind me later”.

nixpulvis 7mo ago
Not technically under the umbrella of Apple Intelligence, but you might be surprised to find out what photoanalysisd is doing.
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- mbrameld 7mo ago
  And if the surprise is unpleasant you can disable it by turning off memories and holidays in the settings of the photo app. Not so easy to escape Copilot on Windows.
- aucisson_masque 7mo ago
  That's not nearly comparable tho. I don't care it's watching my photo as long as it doesn't annoy me when I want to watch them. Copilot is everywhere, you got to actively avoid it like the plague it is.
szatkus 7mo ago
That's more or less my experience with Copilot on Windows.
- Someone1234 7mo ago
  Even the linked blog post indicates that that is not the case. Windows has Copilot buttons on practically every built in application, a taskbar icon, and a dedicated physical keyboard key that people commonly accidentally hit (contractually required for OEMs to provide). They also actively promote Copilot in the OS (particularly Home Edition with nothing disabled e.g. "Tips," Notification Spam, Recommendations, etc). Nobody can predict what Apple will do tomorrow, but as of today, they aren't really pushing Siri/Apple intelligence really hard particularly after initial setup. None of most of the above for example.

sgt 7mo ago

Have you even tried it? I'm a Mac user for 20+ years and I'm running Tahoe. Not once have I ever thought about Apple Intelligence. I don't even notice it. I think you have to switch it on.

nixpulvis 7mo ago
Yes, that's my point though. It's not about being built into the OS, it's about being controllable.

malux85 7mo ago

I use apple products daily and apple intelligence has never interrupted me. I don't even know what it is. So, no.

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thiht 7mo ago

I don’t think I’ve ever even noticed Siri/Apple intelligence on macOS. I’ve disabled it somehow (probably at install) and have not heard about it since

slopinthebag 7mo ago

Why would Apple Intelligence bother them? It's very unobtrusive and actually useful when it's visible. I literally don't notice it except when it's helpful.