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The problem with many of these EVs is that they were way too expensive. The main reason companies were producing them is due to regulatory requirements and how
by tlogan 7mo ago
The problem with many of these EVs is that they were way too expensive. The main reason companies were producing them is due to regulatory requirements and how emissions standards are calculated, not necessarily because wanted to sell these EVs.
What we really need are incentives for companies to build more affordable EVs. California could play a role here, but given the
strong opinions we have about Elon Musk, nothing will be done.
- decimalenough 7mo agoChina and increasingly India are building very affordable EVs. You can get this guy for $7700, or full-featured models from $10,000: https://driveauthority.com/cheapest-ev-car-in-china/ https://driveauthority.com/cheapest-ev-car-in-china/ All you really need is a political snap of the fingers to remove tariffs, so they can start selling them in the US. Of course, there is absolutely no way this will happen with the current administration.
- leosanchez 7mo agoYeah seeing more and more 2W, 3W and 4W in India along with rooftop solar which government subsidizes. Mind you I am living in a Tier 4 “city”.
- arzig 7mo agoAll the EV tariffs are staying place past the end of the Trump administration because protectionism is now bipartisan.
- seanmcdirmid 7mo ago> All the EV tariffs are staying place past the end of the Trump administration because protectionism is now bipartisan. Anything Trump supported will continue to be seen as hot garbage after he is removed from office. There is no appetite for protectionism when it has hurt rather than benefitted the American economy.
- Pxtl 7mo agoThat heavily depends on the Dem primaries. I think after the unpopularity of Biden and the 2024 loss by Harris there might be more appetite to rock the boat instead of getting another establishment caretaker. However, the more radical wing of Democrats still have some anti-globalism in them (eg Bernie). But still, imho: Unusual outcomes are on the table for Democratic party leadership at this point.
- tlogan 7mo agoI 100% understand that nothing will be done on the federal level. But california is big enough to make things moving without any federal level law. For example, what about: - no sales taxes on new EV sales - free registration for 5 years - free bridge tolls for 5 years That might convince some of these companies to start making EVs again.
- nxm 7mo agoThey’ll make up the lost revenue by additional taxes on the common people?
- tlogan 7mo agoI do not know. It is all about priorities. Raise taxes on gas? Put extra taxes on sell ICE vehicles? Increase registration fees for ICE vehicles? (In short - ICE sales will paying for money lost via EV sales) I’m not saying it will be easy. I’m saying that if we really want EVs to succeed we can do it.
- kccqzy 7mo agoNo the regulatory requirements and emission standards have nothing to do with affordability. The only reason is just economies of scale. In fact regulatory requirements help because companies like Tesla historically sold their emission credits to other carmakers to make money.
- jimbokun 7mo agoOr just allow Chinese EVs without tariffs. Would be incredible for US auto consumers. But might put some of our automakers out of business.
- tlogan 7mo agoWhat about no sales taxes on EV purchases (full sales tax exemption) in California?
- throwaway-11-1 7mo agoI don’t care about US brands, let Xiaomi and BYD run those factories. Just let me have a YU-7 for the love of god!
- jackvalentine 7mo agoThose factories won’t be run by Chinese automakers they’ll be shut down with the corresponding loss of jobs and secondary industries. Gotta say I was annoyed at the time but deprecating the Australian car manufacturers last decade means we have no scruples about allowing cheap as chips Chinese EVs through the door and I’m loving it.
- WarmWash 7mo agoThere is no world in which this would happen, because the auto industry holds up so much secondary and tertiary domestic manufacturing (most of which use China at the bottom anyway).
- sam345 7mo agoConfused about this comment. Are you talking about government subsidies and tax incentives? Haven't companies and consumers already been given these incentives? Now that they're drawing down, it's obvious there's a limited market. What needs to happen is real economic demands need to make the market not created ones. Then prices will come down and efficiencies will increase .