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It's funny to see these gas prices spike as companies are announcing they're killing their EV models here in the US.

by rtkwe 7mo ago

emestifs 7mo ago
I thought the same thing. Incredibly short term thinking at the corporate and government level to flip flop. Meanwhile Norway is now 97% EV sales and covered in chargers north to south. Not to mention China's fierce EV market domestically.
- nxm 7mo ago
  Norway is an exceptionally rich country due to oil with huge incentives towards EVs. Don’t extrapolate
  - WarmWash 7mo ago
    It also has the population on the order of Queens and Brooklyn put together. Singapore, the micro island city state, has a larger population.
  - emestifs 7mo ago
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/PEVs_in_use_Top_countries_%26_regional_markets_2020.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/PEVs_in_... Sure. But the numbers are certainly trending in a direction that US doesn't seem to want to go in. So, it is what it is, I suppose. Draw your own conclusions.
tlogan 7mo ago
The problem with many of these EVs is that they were way too expensive. The main reason companies were producing them is due to regulatory requirements and how emissions standards are calculated, not necessarily because wanted to sell these EVs. What we really need are incentives for companies to build more affordable EVs. California could play a role here, but given the strong opinions we have about Elon Musk, nothing will be done.
- decimalenough 7mo ago
  China and increasingly India are building very affordable EVs. You can get this guy for $7700, or full-featured models from $10,000: https://driveauthority.com/cheapest-ev-car-in-china/ https://driveauthority.com/cheapest-ev-car-in-china/ All you really need is a political snap of the fingers to remove tariffs, so they can start selling them in the US. Of course, there is absolutely no way this will happen with the current administration.
  - leosanchez 7mo ago
    Yeah seeing more and more 2W, 3W and 4W in India along with rooftop solar which government subsidizes. Mind you I am living in a Tier 4 “city”.
  - arzig 7mo ago
    All the EV tariffs are staying place past the end of the Trump administration because protectionism is now bipartisan.
    - seanmcdirmid 7mo ago
      > All the EV tariffs are staying place past the end of the Trump administration because protectionism is now bipartisan. Anything Trump supported will continue to be seen as hot garbage after he is removed from office. There is no appetite for protectionism when it has hurt rather than benefitted the American economy.
    - Pxtl 7mo ago
      That heavily depends on the Dem primaries. I think after the unpopularity of Biden and the 2024 loss by Harris there might be more appetite to rock the boat instead of getting another establishment caretaker. However, the more radical wing of Democrats still have some anti-globalism in them (eg Bernie). But still, imho: Unusual outcomes are on the table for Democratic party leadership at this point.
  - tlogan 7mo ago
    I 100% understand that nothing will be done on the federal level. But california is big enough to make things moving without any federal level law. For example, what about: - no sales taxes on new EV sales - free registration for 5 years - free bridge tolls for 5 years That might convince some of these companies to start making EVs again.
rilindo 7mo ago
It is worse than that. Companies are killing their EV models and discontinuing [sedans](https://www.autoblog.com/features/these-automakers-no-longer-build-sedans-is-it-a-missed-opportunity-or-smart-strategy https://www.autoblog.com/features/these-automakers-no-longer...) in favor of trucks and SUVs.
- TremendousJudge 7mo ago
  They've been on this path for a while now. The reckoning has to come at some point right?
  - Pxtl 7mo ago
    At this point I don't see a solution to the arms-race of autobesity besides regulation. Cars that represent a larger threat to other road users need to have that externality internalized onto the driver. Because otherwise we just get things like the Hummer EV which is literally over 9000 lbs.
- tzs 7mo ago
  There have been a whole bunch of articles in the last month about how the US automakers are trying to being back sedans: "America Fell Out of Love With the Sedan. Detroit Wants to Bring It Back" [1]. "Detroit Automakers Want To Bring Back Sedans. Will They Last This Time?" [2] "General Motors Could Bring Buick Back to Sedans with a New RWD Model" [3] "Buick Is Reportedly Considering a New Sedan for the United States" [4] "Are sedans coming back? How looser EPA rules and rising SUV costs could reshape the U.S. car market" [5] "Ford Confirms it is getting back to the sedan and minivan game in America as well as an Escape successor" [6] "Detroit Abandoned Sedans, Now It Wants Them Back" [7] [1] https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/sedans-cars-trucks-detroit-afb034ee https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/sedans-cars-trucks-detroi... [2] https://www.thedrive.com/news/detroit-automakers-want-to-bring-back-sedans-will-they-last-this-time https://www.thedrive.com/news/detroit-automakers-want-to-bri... [3] https://autos.yahoo.com/new-vehicles-and-reviews/articles/general-motors-could-bring-buick-190020967.html https://autos.yahoo.com/new-vehicles-and-reviews/articles/ge... [4] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a70738088/report-buick-sedan-north-america/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a70738088/report-buick-sed... [5] https://www.autonocion.com/us/american-automakers-considering-sedans/ https://www.autonocion.com/us/american-automakers-considerin... [6] https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1qy8802/ford_confirms_it_is_getting_back_to_the_sedan_and/ https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1qy8802/ford_confirms... or https://old.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1qy8802/ford_confirms_it_is_getting_back_to_the_sedan_and/ https://old.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1qy8802/ford_confirms... [7] https://www.carscoops.com/2026/02/detroit-three-sedan-comeback/ https://www.carscoops.com/2026/02/detroit-three-sedan-comeba...

It's funny to see these gas prices spike as companies are announcing they're killing their EV models here in the US.

by rtkwe 7mo ago

It's funny to see these gas prices spike as companies are announcing they're killing their EV models here in the US.

I thought the same thing. Incredibly short term thinking at the corporate and government level to flip flop. Meanwhile Norway is now 97% EV sales and covered in chargers north to south. Not to mention China's fierce EV market domestically.

nxm 7mo ago
Norway is an exceptionally rich country due to oil with huge incentives towards EVs. Don’t extrapolate
- WarmWash 7mo ago
  It also has the population on the order of Queens and Brooklyn put together. Singapore, the micro island city state, has a larger population.
- emestifs 7mo ago
  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/PEVs_in_use_Top_countries_%26_regional_markets_2020.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/PEVs_in_... Sure. But the numbers are certainly trending in a direction that US doesn't seem to want to go in. So, it is what it is, I suppose. Draw your own conclusions.

tlogan 7mo ago

The problem with many of these EVs is that they were way too expensive. The main reason companies were producing them is due to regulatory requirements and how emissions standards are calculated, not necessarily because wanted to sell these EVs. What we really need are incentives for companies to build more affordable EVs. California could play a role here, but given the strong opinions we have about Elon Musk, nothing will be done.

decimalenough 7mo ago
China and increasingly India are building very affordable EVs. You can get this guy for $7700, or full-featured models from $10,000: https://driveauthority.com/cheapest-ev-car-in-china/ https://driveauthority.com/cheapest-ev-car-in-china/ All you really need is a political snap of the fingers to remove tariffs, so they can start selling them in the US. Of course, there is absolutely no way this will happen with the current administration.
- leosanchez 7mo ago
  Yeah seeing more and more 2W, 3W and 4W in India along with rooftop solar which government subsidizes. Mind you I am living in a Tier 4 “city”.
- arzig 7mo ago
  All the EV tariffs are staying place past the end of the Trump administration because protectionism is now bipartisan.
  - seanmcdirmid 7mo ago
    > All the EV tariffs are staying place past the end of the Trump administration because protectionism is now bipartisan. Anything Trump supported will continue to be seen as hot garbage after he is removed from office. There is no appetite for protectionism when it has hurt rather than benefitted the American economy.
  - Pxtl 7mo ago
    That heavily depends on the Dem primaries. I think after the unpopularity of Biden and the 2024 loss by Harris there might be more appetite to rock the boat instead of getting another establishment caretaker. However, the more radical wing of Democrats still have some anti-globalism in them (eg Bernie). But still, imho: Unusual outcomes are on the table for Democratic party leadership at this point.
- tlogan 7mo ago
  I 100% understand that nothing will be done on the federal level. But california is big enough to make things moving without any federal level law. For example, what about: - no sales taxes on new EV sales - free registration for 5 years - free bridge tolls for 5 years That might convince some of these companies to start making EVs again.

rilindo 7mo ago

It is worse than that. Companies are killing their EV models and discontinuing [sedans](https://www.autoblog.com/features/these-automakers-no-longer-build-sedans-is-it-a-missed-opportunity-or-smart-strategy https://www.autoblog.com/features/these-automakers-no-longer...) in favor of trucks and SUVs.

TremendousJudge 7mo ago
They've been on this path for a while now. The reckoning has to come at some point right?
- Pxtl 7mo ago
  At this point I don't see a solution to the arms-race of autobesity besides regulation. Cars that represent a larger threat to other road users need to have that externality internalized onto the driver. Because otherwise we just get things like the Hummer EV which is literally over 9000 lbs.
tzs 7mo ago
There have been a whole bunch of articles in the last month about how the US automakers are trying to being back sedans: "America Fell Out of Love With the Sedan. Detroit Wants to Bring It Back" [1]. "Detroit Automakers Want To Bring Back Sedans. Will They Last This Time?" [2] "General Motors Could Bring Buick Back to Sedans with a New RWD Model" [3] "Buick Is Reportedly Considering a New Sedan for the United States" [4] "Are sedans coming back? How looser EPA rules and rising SUV costs could reshape the U.S. car market" [5] "Ford Confirms it is getting back to the sedan and minivan game in America as well as an Escape successor" [6] "Detroit Abandoned Sedans, Now It Wants Them Back" [7] [1] https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/sedans-cars-trucks-detroit-afb034ee https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/sedans-cars-trucks-detroi... [2] https://www.thedrive.com/news/detroit-automakers-want-to-bring-back-sedans-will-they-last-this-time https://www.thedrive.com/news/detroit-automakers-want-to-bri... [3] https://autos.yahoo.com/new-vehicles-and-reviews/articles/general-motors-could-bring-buick-190020967.html https://autos.yahoo.com/new-vehicles-and-reviews/articles/ge... [4] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a70738088/report-buick-sedan-north-america/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a70738088/report-buick-sed... [5] https://www.autonocion.com/us/american-automakers-considering-sedans/ https://www.autonocion.com/us/american-automakers-considerin... [6] https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1qy8802/ford_confirms_it_is_getting_back_to_the_sedan_and/ https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1qy8802/ford_confirms... or https://old.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1qy8802/ford_confirms_it_is_getting_back_to_the_sedan_and/ https://old.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1qy8802/ford_confirms... [7] https://www.carscoops.com/2026/02/detroit-three-sedan-comeback/ https://www.carscoops.com/2026/02/detroit-three-sedan-comeba...