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> "Im not going to risk getting in trouble because I made a post online or discussed immigration or trans people in the wrong way according to them." This is a

> "Im not going to risk getting in trouble because I made a post online or discussed immigration or trans people in the wrong way according to them." This is a mis-truth which has been spread by Joe Rogan and his ilk. Political speech is very much protected in UK law. You won't get in "trouble" if you make posts against immigration or trans people. J.K. Rowling and Ricky Gervais certainly haven't been locked up. Yes, there have been cases, such as the infamous Cowley Hill School case where Hertfordshire police arrested a couple over their posts in a school WhatsApp group. However, such arrests are illegal and in that case the police had to apologise and pay compensation. What will get you in trouble in the UK is threatening violence against people or posting hate speech that encourages others to do so. But this is also true in the USA and in most countries.

Dylan16807 7mo ago
> You won't get in "trouble" if you make posts against immigration or trans people. Not to say anyone would actually get in trouble for just some opinion posts, but I don't know why you went with "against" here, I think "for" is the more likely one to make the current UK (or US) government upset.
TeapotNotKettle 7mo ago
“Burn old fella burn”, felt like political speech - but that didn’t work out so well.
troad 7mo ago
> Political speech is very much protected in UK law With "protected political speech" being defined as which flavour of the established, incompetent elite you prefer this year. People have been arrested in the UK for holding blank signs within vicinity of Palestine marches. People have been arrested over protesting Charles' coronation. To say nothing of thousands of people arrested every year over tweets. Political speech is basically criminalised in the UK at this point. This is not an establishment worth any of our respect.
- hunterpayne 7mo ago
  You forgot the part where they are literally debating if to get rid of jury trials or not because the government didn't hire enough judges.
  - dukeyukey 7mo ago
    Worth pointing out the US has similar restrictions already. Why is the UK catching flak for discussing this?
    - hdgvhicv 7mo ago
      Far right podcasters. The ones cheering people losing jobs and being jailed over quoting the US president https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/no-freedom-of-speech-in-trumps-america-the-man-jailed-for-posting-memes-of-charlie-kirk-and-kash-patel/articleshow/124868040.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/no-freedom-of-s...
  - alexfoo 7mo ago
    Not quite. They're debating whether to get rid of some jury trials, only for trials that have an "either-way" decision and carry a sentence of less than 3 years. Ref: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5lxg2l0lqo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5lxg2l0lqo 97% of trials in the UK don't have juries anyway. The changes would mean instead of 3% having juries it would be down to 2.25%. This would also be reviewed once the existing backlog has been seen to. "This means that currently a suspect being charged with an offence today may not reach trial until 2030."
- Nursie 7mo ago
  > arrested in the UK for holding blank signs within vicinity of Palestine marches. Got a source on this one? Supporting Palestine in the UK has never been illegal. Supporting the specific group "Palestine Action" has been as they were for a while a proscribed terrorist organisation due to what was (IMHO) some property crimes committed against defense contractors by some of their members. Totally wrong, and has now been struck down in the courts, but saying "you can't support palestine" is also wrong. > Thousands of people arrested every year over tweets. The source I saw on this one had clear examples of violent threats and calls to set buildings full of people on fire, so I'm not sure this is clear either.
Blikkentrekker 7mo ago
> What will get you in trouble in the UK is threatening violence against people or posting hate speech that encourages others to do so. But this is also true in the USA and in most countries. The line is quite thin and ambiguous though. If they want to get someone they will and find that various remarks “encourage violence”. Almost any opinion that isn't nice can be argued to encourage violence.
- 6031769 7mo ago
  Unless they are Ricky Jones, of course.

Dylan16807 7mo ago

> You won't get in "trouble" if you make posts against immigration or trans people. Not to say anyone would actually get in trouble for just some opinion posts, but I don't know why you went with "against" here, I think "for" is the more likely one to make the current UK (or US) government upset.

TeapotNotKettle 7mo ago

“Burn old fella burn”, felt like political speech - but that didn’t work out so well.

troad 7mo ago

> Political speech is very much protected in UK law With "protected political speech" being defined as which flavour of the established, incompetent elite you prefer this year. People have been arrested in the UK for holding blank signs within vicinity of Palestine marches. People have been arrested over protesting Charles' coronation. To say nothing of thousands of people arrested every year over tweets. Political speech is basically criminalised in the UK at this point. This is not an establishment worth any of our respect.

hunterpayne 7mo ago
You forgot the part where they are literally debating if to get rid of jury trials or not because the government didn't hire enough judges.
- dukeyukey 7mo ago
  Worth pointing out the US has similar restrictions already. Why is the UK catching flak for discussing this?
  - hdgvhicv 7mo ago
    Far right podcasters. The ones cheering people losing jobs and being jailed over quoting the US president https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/no-freedom-of-speech-in-trumps-america-the-man-jailed-for-posting-memes-of-charlie-kirk-and-kash-patel/articleshow/124868040.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/no-freedom-of-s...
- alexfoo 7mo ago
  Not quite. They're debating whether to get rid of some jury trials, only for trials that have an "either-way" decision and carry a sentence of less than 3 years. Ref: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5lxg2l0lqo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5lxg2l0lqo 97% of trials in the UK don't have juries anyway. The changes would mean instead of 3% having juries it would be down to 2.25%. This would also be reviewed once the existing backlog has been seen to. "This means that currently a suspect being charged with an offence today may not reach trial until 2030."
Nursie 7mo ago
> arrested in the UK for holding blank signs within vicinity of Palestine marches. Got a source on this one? Supporting Palestine in the UK has never been illegal. Supporting the specific group "Palestine Action" has been as they were for a while a proscribed terrorist organisation due to what was (IMHO) some property crimes committed against defense contractors by some of their members. Totally wrong, and has now been struck down in the courts, but saying "you can't support palestine" is also wrong. > Thousands of people arrested every year over tweets. The source I saw on this one had clear examples of violent threats and calls to set buildings full of people on fire, so I'm not sure this is clear either.

Blikkentrekker 7mo ago

> What will get you in trouble in the UK is threatening violence against people or posting hate speech that encourages others to do so. But this is also true in the USA and in most countries. The line is quite thin and ambiguous though. If they want to get someone they will and find that various remarks “encourage violence”. Almost any opinion that isn't nice can be argued to encourage violence.

6031769 7mo ago
Unless they are Ricky Jones, of course.