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Not surprised at all on this. I've been really suspicious about how hard `uv` was being pushed in 24/25.

zemo 7mo ago
"was being pushed" ... by whom? I think there's widespread grassroots support for it because it's a good tool.
moregrist 7mo ago
I think the push has been entirely organic. Compared to existing tooling, uv is fantastically fast. One of the bigger pain points I’ve faced in Python is dependency resolution. conda could take 30-60 minutes in some cases. uv took seconds. A serious quality of life improvement.
- optionalsquid 7mo ago
  uv replaces pip (and venv, and pipx, and more), not conda. If you want a uv-equivalent that replaces conda, then look at pixi: https://pixi.prefix.dev/ https://pixi.prefix.dev/
  - moregrist 7mo ago
    Sure, it replaces pip, but _we used conda_ for env management. And the slow part was still _dependency resolution_, much like pip. Was there a better option? I’m sure. Choices were made. Regrets were had. Switching to uv was a huge improvement for our purposes.
    - optionalsquid 7mo ago
      If all you are installing using conda is pypi packages and different versions of Python, then sure, uv is a fine replacement. I use it for that as well. But if you are using other conda/conda-forge/bioconda packages, then uv isn't a replacement since it cannot install those. However, Pixi can replace conda for that use-case and it's about as fast as uv since it uses uv's dependency resolution code
- edelbitter 7mo ago
  > dependency resolution. conda could take 30-60 minutes Quite literally this is what first raised the alarm bells for me. Dependency resolution complexity is more of a symptom. If that delay ends up being the point where Ops finally agrees that things have gone very wrong, then fixing that delay is not really helping hire the maintenance folks that can make those dependencies.. well, "dependable" again.
a_t48 7mo ago
Hey now, I was a completely organic shill! I worked for free!
yoyohello13 7mo ago
uv and ruff are incredible tools for python development, and I've loved my time using ty. This acquisition is absolutely terrible.
UqWBcuFx6NV4r 7mo ago
Are you legitimately unable to tell the difference between something being “pushed” and people just legitimately liking and using something? If you’re going to be a grump about everything, sometimes your broken clock is going to be right. It’s still not worth showing off.

zemo 7mo ago

"was being pushed" ... by whom? I think there's widespread grassroots support for it because it's a good tool.

I think the push has been entirely organic. Compared to existing tooling, uv is fantastically fast. One of the bigger pain points I’ve faced in Python is dependency resolution. conda could take 30-60 minutes in some cases. uv took seconds. A serious quality of life improvement.

optionalsquid 7mo ago
uv replaces pip (and venv, and pipx, and more), not conda. If you want a uv-equivalent that replaces conda, then look at pixi: https://pixi.prefix.dev/ https://pixi.prefix.dev/
- moregrist 7mo ago
  Sure, it replaces pip, but _we used conda_ for env management. And the slow part was still _dependency resolution_, much like pip. Was there a better option? I’m sure. Choices were made. Regrets were had. Switching to uv was a huge improvement for our purposes.
  - optionalsquid 7mo ago
    If all you are installing using conda is pypi packages and different versions of Python, then sure, uv is a fine replacement. I use it for that as well. But if you are using other conda/conda-forge/bioconda packages, then uv isn't a replacement since it cannot install those. However, Pixi can replace conda for that use-case and it's about as fast as uv since it uses uv's dependency resolution code
edelbitter 7mo ago
> dependency resolution. conda could take 30-60 minutes Quite literally this is what first raised the alarm bells for me. Dependency resolution complexity is more of a symptom. If that delay ends up being the point where Ops finally agrees that things have gone very wrong, then fixing that delay is not really helping hire the maintenance folks that can make those dependencies.. well, "dependable" again.

a_t48 7mo ago

Hey now, I was a completely organic shill! I worked for free!

yoyohello13 7mo ago

uv and ruff are incredible tools for python development, and I've loved my time using ty. This acquisition is absolutely terrible.

UqWBcuFx6NV4r 7mo ago

Are you legitimately unable to tell the difference between something being “pushed” and people just legitimately liking and using something? If you’re going to be a grump about everything, sometimes your broken clock is going to be right. It’s still not worth showing off.