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Judge orders restoration of Voice of America
- derelicta 7mo ago[flagged]
- soco 7mo agoLeaving it with only Sputnik is not exactly helping humanity either.
- mc32 7mo agoThere’s also “Xin hua” and many others, including BBC, CBC, etc., filling the void.
- 47282847 7mo agoAl Jazeera is great too.
- roysting 7mo agoThat’s a very extrinsic perspective, so let’s included the other far more powerful and consequential propaganda organs; the whole media, news, TV, movie, cultural conglomeration of the American empire. If you consume “mainstream” American news, TV, movies, etc. you are being propagandized way more powerfully than anything a Sputnik, RT, AJ, DW, BBC, etc. could ever hope to achieve. It’s not any of these rather meaningless little foreign entities that cause the major swings in “opinion” in the America that cause people to abandoned their own supposed core beliefs by getting the new firmware updates through the telescreen. I would provide a clear example, but I also don’t want to give the impression that it’s any one party or ideology, the majority of people get their firmware updates beamed into their heads through the telescreen. That is what is actually filing the void of people’s minds, not the crumbs from RT or even the slightly bigger crumbs of the BBC, it’s the approved, authorized mainstream information streams emanating from the telescreen that update people’s whatToThink; be it who to vote for or who to bomb.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 7mo ago> If you consume “mainstream” American news, TV, movies, etc. you are being propagandized way more powerfully than anything a Sputnik, RT, AJ, DW, BBC, etc. could ever hope to achieve. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military–entertainment_complex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military–entertainment_complex War films are the most overt examples but far from the only ones: > Four decades after the release of the 1954 adult animated film Animal Farm, Cold War historian Tony Shaw discovered, through looking at archives of the film, that the CIA had secretly purchased the rights to the film. The CIA also altered the ending of the film so that the pigs, who represent communists, were overthrown by the other animals on the farm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird Said to an American news anchor (who later dismissed the speaker as a "brilliant conspiracist" for this line): "I’m sure you believe everything you say. But what I’m saying is if you believed something different you wouldn’t be sitting where you’re sitting."
- criddell 7mo agoMy takeaway was that VoA can be shutdown, it just needs to be done so according to the law.
- Simulacra 7mo agoMy read is that it's all about the dollars. The court cannot force Congress to appropriate money, and so if there is no money appropriated to run VoA then the administration has no money from Congress to run it, and cannot be forced to restore it.
- crawfordcomeaux 7mo agoWhy does this comment get voted down? Which part are people against hearing/reading about? Is it the fact that the USA is an empire, the fact that its own journalistic efforts are propaganda, the claim that VoA is the biggest propaganda organ, or something else?
- kasey_junk 7mo agoThat the emperor is the one that shut it down in the first place. So some part of the statement is logically inconsistent.
- kelipso 7mo agoNot really. He is just one of many imperial managers.
- Schlagbohrer 7mo agoIt is not logically inconsistent. The "Imperial Manager"ial class mentioned in the OP is multifaceted. That is to say, there are warring factions within the ruling class who disagree on details about certain things. (other things they are fully aligned on such as stamping down on the working class)
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 7mo agoIt's a logically unconvincing point of view (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47424628 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47424628) delivered with sarcasm. The sarcasm is something people have to ignore to post a substantive reply and it's not redeemed by making a strong point that's worthy of discussion.
- staticman2 7mo agoEven if America is an empire and VoA is propaganda "Imperial Manager" doesn't seem very descriptive of what a judge does.
- crawfordcomeaux 7mo ago
- wat10000 7mo agoIt’s hilarious to call VoA, which had already faded into near irrelevancy, “their biggest propaganda organ.” That title belongs to Fox News or Hollywood.
- derelicta 7mo agoVoA is for an international audience whilst Fox News, CNN & co are for the American public. Hollywood is mixed.
- jagged-chisel 7mo agoWhat’s with the page blocking Cloudflare popup? I can’t dismiss it on mobile.
- defrost 7mo agoSimple enough, just reverse the arrow of time and unshatter that vase, restore allied trust, and un-DOGE all the clogged pipelines.
- frereubu 7mo agoThese kinds of victories really are thin gruel, aren't they?
- defrost 7mo agoIt's almost but not quite: "One more victory over Trump and we are completely done for!" ~ Pyrrhus of Epirus, 2026 AD territory.
- pjc50 7mo agoDon't forget to reopen the Strait of Hormuz.
- _DeadFred_ 7mo agoWhat's the point of this doomerism? Do you want people to just give up? Or are you not willing to build back institutions, and try to make them stronger? I don't understand the point of your comment other than apathy/negativity?
- raw_anon_1111 7mo agoBecause of both how the senate is set up where South Dakota has 2 senators just like California, gerrymandering and to a lesser extent the Electoral College, the 40% of America who like these policies will always have outsized power. Despite the naive optimism of liberals like Michelle Obama saying “this is not who we are”, what you are seeing now is who this country has always been.
- _DeadFred_ 7mo agoGot it. Doomerism will fix the fact that there will always be assholes/people trying to break systems for their own gain. Or maybe doomerism will lead to rolling the dice and hoping we somehow magically get a better system where no people suck? This is not who we have historically been. Hence why gerrymandering is an issue today, because they are doing it today. But we have to put in the work to challenge the assholes. The world will always have assholes I don't think giving up/burning it all down and hoping they then magically go away is a political philosophy. The current Republican 'dixiecrats' are an extension of their traitor ancestors that WANT to burn it all down. Seems idiotic to help them in their goal. Fuck these loser traitors I'm keeping my country. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Kjah99E1fIo https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Kjah99E1fIo Edit because I'm throttled: You completely jumped talking points. Gerrymandering is an issue today, meaning it is a new issue, that we need to fight, today. But I got it. You think/see America as irredeemable. I see us as constantly improving things, and don't see how a different country name/system of government would change/fix the horrible things you bring up, or make the worse elements of our society better. I have seen an America that fought to remove the cancer of slavery. That is ashamed of the internment camps. The doesn't give af about interracial marriage. And that America has been steadily winning WHEN PEOPLE FOUGHT FOR IT. But maybe you are right. Destroy the USA, change the name to 'Super Friendly Nice Perfect Land', get rid of democracy, and maybe racists will stop being racist. Looks like you are a surgeon. You would know we have many Jewish hospitals because Jewish people weren't allowed to be doctors. So Jewish people worked around that and changed things. Our system allows for improvement. There is no indication a random new one will. I have seen videos of Muslims talking about how they won't allow Jewish doctors to treat their kids, so yes, things can go backwards. Doesn't mean we give up. We need to challenge backwards people and backwards thought, not give up because they suck. You basically support the policy of the crappy 'dixiecrats' that run the Republican party, whose ancestors have been anti-America since they started then lost the civil war of burn it all down. Edit2: Again, you see America as irredeemable because there are crappy people in the country and because historically people were much crappier than today. I see America as one of the best tools in history for changing things to the better. You aren't going to make me give up/think a name change/rebrand will actually change the issues you have. I think America is the best way to resolve it. How recently were Irish/English killing eachother/hating eachother. 1990s? People love to hate others. You just keep listing 'people suck' as 'America sucks' as if somehow a rebrand/name change will change your complaints. Lots of people just generally suck. We Americans work to improve that. I can see how Black people have given up on it. But I don't see how that is productive for you long term/gives you better results. Better results would be to do what Jews who wanted to be doctors did, bypass the assholes, freeze them out. That is the dixiecrats anger today, they can see they are being left behind. And you want to just give in to them because??? Thank you for responding. It's good to understand you support/promote doomerism because you think the US is just irredeemable as a nation. I always just assume it's someone frustrated with things. Interesting to hear from someone who really thinks destroying it all is a better solution and that we aren't redeemable as a nation. Final edit I promise. Read my history and you will see I am very against the American justice system. If you look closely you will see I have fallen from the top to the bottom. In that time I have been physically abused by officers and seen how broken the justice system is. I've made friends who were amazing people who never had a chance from day 1 simply because of their race, who opened my eyes to a lot. I have my own personal reasons to hate aspects of this country, but I still think the best option is to work within the system to improve it. I still think this is not who we are. Glad you aren't racist to you daughter in law. My dad didn't pass my mom's parents whiteness test and that sucked.
- Esophagus4 7mo agoI am reading the comments under the AP article and wondering how many of them are just bots yelling at each other. Dead internet theory is creeping up on me.
- roysting 7mo agoI don’t see any comments at all, at least on mobile. Is this a bot? I was going to look at the comments out of curiosity, because I was surprised that there would be any comments at all on an AP article, for several reasons.
- blokey 7mo agoI think that might be a "you" thing, there certainly are comments. And here's a link to APNews' comment guideline page, showing they have comment sections on lots of places in their website https://apnews.com/community-guidelines https://apnews.com/community-guidelines Unsure why you jump to "is this a bot" conclusion, seems a little odd.
- Esophagus4 7mo agoHere are a few I see: Comment by burkej27. 41 MIN AGO No state run media! Comment by Robertl. 55 MIN AGO Is there anything that Trump does that is legal and won’t be overturned? What a waste of 4 years. They should be held responsible to the 1000 people damaged by his actions. If he can’t then his cabinet. Comment by Trumpisyourpresident. 1 HR AGO Just like NPR, it's the voice of liberal America, not America, so it should not be funded. Comment by KendallGrubb. 1 HR AGO We’re not in the 1950’s building Crystal am radios anymore. The cost of this service is unnecessary given today’s media options
- mono442 7mo agoI guess that is what happens when you don't stuff the courts with loyal judges.
- LightBug1 7mo agoGonna take a generation to unpick and fix the Trump/DOGE bullshit ...
- Schlagbohrer 7mo agoOne hopes if it is rebuilt it's rebuilt to be "good" rather than bad/evil
- dnautics 7mo agoI mean they're on thin ice. I have no love for the trump administration, but It's not clear where the constitution authorizes congress to fund VoA or any government propaganda arm, really. You could equally make the argument "it took three generations to unpick and fix the FDR bullshit".
- wat10000 7mo agoSeems like this would fall under the General Welfare clause. Certainly a lot clearer than the idea that growing your own feed for your livestock means you don’t buy feed on the open market which affects prices which means your feed growing qualifies as interstate commerce despite never leaving your land and can therefore be regulated by the federal government.
- dnautics 7mo agowhataboutism. Both of those are bad.
- wat10000 7mo agoYou’re the one who brought up FDR, my dude. It’s not whataboutism to address a topic explicitly mentioned by the other party. I personally don’t see the case for saying the Constitution doesn’t authorize government funded media under the General Welfare clause. I can see where there might be room for disagreement, but that clause is pretty broad. Whereas interstate commerce is a lot clearer, and the reasoning in Wickard v. Filburn is pretty transparent bullshit made to reach a desired conclusion. In terms of Congress exceeding its enumerated powers, the latter is vastly worse.
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- Timon3 7mo agoFunny how often I've read this exact comment today.
- spwa4 7mo agoCan I just say: Hurray! Well done.
- tmaly 7mo agoReading the article, Lake said this decision is going to be appealed. The ultimate resolution will likely have to happen at the Supreme Court.
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- rascul 7mo agoWasn't Voice of America just a propaganda tool? Why are we happy that crap is back?
- hulitu 7mo ago> Why are we happy that crap is back? Don't you want to hear the voice of freedom and democracy ?
- silexia 7mo agoJudges overruling the citizens again.
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