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I like Mistral, it hits the exact sweet spot between cost and my data staying in the EU, withouth a significant drop in quality, but man are their model naming

I like Mistral, it hits the exact sweet spot between cost and my data staying in the EU, withouth a significant drop in quality, but man are their model naming conventions confusing af. They mention they have a model called Devstral 2, which is neither Codestral nor Devestral. I want to use it, but the api only lists devstral-2512, devstral-latest, devstral-medium-latest, devstral-medium-2507, devstral-small, devstral-small-2507. I think, devstral-latest should be it, no? So I write to support and get an answer 12 hours later that says oh, no, devstral 2 is definetely called devstral 2 and then a page of instructions on how to set it up in Intellij... generated with AI. The screens it is refering to don't exist and never did.

Manfred 7mo ago
I had the same experience. It's even more confusing when you want to create an API key because they are separated by product, maybe?
- kioleanu 7mo ago
  no, the key is actually universal, you can't choose a specific product
  - lis 7mo ago
    It depends. The key for their vibe-cli is actually different. You need to get a separate key if you have a subscription and don't want to pay API usage prices.
    - hermanzegerman 7mo ago
      That's the same everywhere. At least with the Chinese coding plans
newswasboring 7mo ago
I have a general impression they are not interested too much in individual devs and making it suite their workflow. They want to be a B2B company and deliver a custom workflow per company. Or it can just be a Google like problem where a big company one part doesn't talk to the other.
- kioleanu 7mo ago
  you might be correct. for example, they have an intellij plugin that allows integration without the AI Assistant, but it is only available for Enterprise customers
- soco 7mo ago
  But wouldn't winning devs be a neat helping point in winning b2b contacts? Or they think golf courts are enough for success? Okay they might be right here, but still they make it so confusing for no obvious reason.
  - newswasboring 7mo ago
    To me it's obvious because the size of companies they are targeting (ASML being an obvious one). I think golf course marketing works well in the EU context when decisions are being made not purely on tech reasons.
    - sofixa 7mo ago
      > I think golf course marketing works well in the EU context when decisions are being made not purely on tech reasons. It's not like b2b sales is more technical merit based, individual contributor led, elsewhere. It's always the same, depending on the field individual contributors can have some flexibility on picking tools (so a developer in a mid sized company would be able to pick whatever, an accountant probably would be more constrained, meanwhile a developer at a big bank would not have any choice). But for strategic software choices, that impact the whole company, where standardisation makes sense or is even mandatory to get actual value out of it, you need to sell to high level decision makers, not individual contributors. A CTO or a VP of X can decide to buy and mandate the implementation of something as impactful, workflow changing and potentially time and money saving as a company wide AI platform. A dev can't.
    - wqaatwt 7mo ago
      > being made not purely on tech reasons. As if that’s not true in the US (not just government contracts but VC in general as well)…
IanCal 7mo ago
I got really lost on their site, but to help a bit according to their model page devstral-2512 devstral-latest and devstral-medium-latest are all devstral 2 https://docs.mistral.ai/models/devstral-2-25-12 https://docs.mistral.ai/models/devstral-2-25-12 labs-devstral-small-2512 and devstral-small-latest are devstral small 2 devstral-medium-2507 is devstral 1.0 and devstral-small-2507 is devstral small 1.1
- kioleanu 7mo ago
  wow, thank you, this is great. I was thinking they should have a page like this, but I couldn't find myself.
butILoveLife 7mo ago
>data staying in the EU This is really why Mistral has any support. The models are bottom barrel, but its the best Europe has... Although you could use Chinese models on European servers.

Manfred 7mo ago

I had the same experience. It's even more confusing when you want to create an API key because they are separated by product, maybe?

kioleanu 7mo ago
no, the key is actually universal, you can't choose a specific product
- lis 7mo ago
  It depends. The key for their vibe-cli is actually different. You need to get a separate key if you have a subscription and don't want to pay API usage prices.
  - hermanzegerman 7mo ago
    That's the same everywhere. At least with the Chinese coding plans

newswasboring 7mo ago

I have a general impression they are not interested too much in individual devs and making it suite their workflow. They want to be a B2B company and deliver a custom workflow per company. Or it can just be a Google like problem where a big company one part doesn't talk to the other.

kioleanu 7mo ago
you might be correct. for example, they have an intellij plugin that allows integration without the AI Assistant, but it is only available for Enterprise customers
soco 7mo ago
But wouldn't winning devs be a neat helping point in winning b2b contacts? Or they think golf courts are enough for success? Okay they might be right here, but still they make it so confusing for no obvious reason.
- newswasboring 7mo ago
  To me it's obvious because the size of companies they are targeting (ASML being an obvious one). I think golf course marketing works well in the EU context when decisions are being made not purely on tech reasons.
  - sofixa 7mo ago
    > I think golf course marketing works well in the EU context when decisions are being made not purely on tech reasons. It's not like b2b sales is more technical merit based, individual contributor led, elsewhere. It's always the same, depending on the field individual contributors can have some flexibility on picking tools (so a developer in a mid sized company would be able to pick whatever, an accountant probably would be more constrained, meanwhile a developer at a big bank would not have any choice). But for strategic software choices, that impact the whole company, where standardisation makes sense or is even mandatory to get actual value out of it, you need to sell to high level decision makers, not individual contributors. A CTO or a VP of X can decide to buy and mandate the implementation of something as impactful, workflow changing and potentially time and money saving as a company wide AI platform. A dev can't.
  - wqaatwt 7mo ago
    > being made not purely on tech reasons. As if that’s not true in the US (not just government contracts but VC in general as well)…

IanCal 7mo ago

I got really lost on their site, but to help a bit according to their model page devstral-2512 devstral-latest and devstral-medium-latest are all devstral 2 https://docs.mistral.ai/models/devstral-2-25-12 https://docs.mistral.ai/models/devstral-2-25-12 labs-devstral-small-2512 and devstral-small-latest are devstral small 2 devstral-medium-2507 is devstral 1.0 and devstral-small-2507 is devstral small 1.1

kioleanu 7mo ago
wow, thank you, this is great. I was thinking they should have a page like this, but I couldn't find myself.

butILoveLife 7mo ago

>data staying in the EU This is really why Mistral has any support. The models are bottom barrel, but its the best Europe has... Although you could use Chinese models on European servers.