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Have you tried the "forgiveness is easier than permission" approach? What would happen if you just installed the solar panels? I know that in some countries the

by gzread 7mo ago

Have you tried the "forgiveness is easier than permission" approach? What would happen if you just installed the solar panels? I know that in some countries they'd come by with a bulldozer and tear them down again - is your country one of those?

bpodgursky 7mo ago
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- iso1631 7mo ago
  Load of bollocks, this meme is tiresome. It's the USA that fires people and jails people for a month for social media posts https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-meme-tennessee-arrest-larry-bushart-02b445f454bcfb657a48e8fa7e8ddfc9 https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-meme-tennessee-arres... Or if you want some actual context rather than twitter outrage bait https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB3WVygAM8I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB3WVygAM8I
  - bpodgursky 7mo ago
    There are literally people in the UK in jail for tweets deemed to be incitement to violence. Maybe you think it's a good thing! I don't care! But it's ridiculous to argue over the facts on the ground.
    - gzread 7mo ago
      What were the tweets?
      - like_any_other 7mo ago
        I don't have examples of tweets handy, but here are stickers that get you 2 years in UK jail: They reportedly contained slogans such as “We will be a minority in our homeland by 2066”, “Mass immigration is white genocide”, “intolerance is a virtue” and “they seek conquest not asylum.” Sources: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-68448867 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-68448867 (does not quote a single sticker that he was jailed for) https://www.gbnews.com/news/sam-melia-free-speech-activists-outraged-jailed-far-right-stickers https://www.gbnews.com/news/sam-melia-free-speech-activists-...
        iso1631 7mo ago
        Ahh, the famous "criminal damage is tweeting" case
        gzread 7mo ago
        "putting stickers on things is criminal damage deserving of prison time" is no better of a position But we should probably pay attention to what was written on the stickers.
        iso1631 7mo ago
        America literally jails people for quoting the US president The UK jails people for extreme incitement
        like_any_other 7mo ago
        Extreme incitement to changing government immigration policy.
        Hikikomori 7mo ago
        Der Sturmer had no impact either?
      - bpodgursky 7mo ago
        https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yl7p4l11po https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yl7p4l11po > Lucy Connolly, 42, whose husband serves on Northampton Town Council, pleaded guilty in September after posting the expletive-ridden message on X the day three girls were stabbed to death in July 2024. > She was released from HMP Peterborough earlier after she was handed a 31-month prison sentence in October at Birmingham Crown Court. Like this one? I mean this is not some hard to find secret.
        duskdozer 7mo ago
        Missing a piece of that? >Connolly, from Northampton, called for "mass deportation now" and urged her followers on X to "set fire" to hotels housing asylum seekers. This is probably not considered protected speech in the US either
        bpodgursky 7mo ago
        Lol there would be 40 million Americans in jail if this wasn't protected speech. Either way, doesn't matter I made this claim two ways: > the UK will put you in jail for tweets > people in the UK in jail for tweets deemed to be incitement to violence and there is no question whatsoever that what I said was true. Like it or hate it, I don't care, these are true statements.
        iso1631 7mo ago
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        iso1631 7mo ago
        > This is probably not considered protected speech in the US either You're absolutely right https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-man-charged-threaten-trump/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-man-charged-threaten... > An indictment unsealed Tuesday lists out a series of angry Facebook messages that Streavel allegedly penned about Mr. Trump both before and after the election — some of which expressed a desire for him to be assassinated. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/indiana-woman-charged-making-death-threats-facebook-against-president-trump https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/indiana-woman-charged-mak... > Nathalie Rose Jones, 50, of Lafayette, Indiana, was arrested in the District of Columbia on Saturday, August 16, and charged in connection with making a series of threats on social media in which she threatened to kill President Trump, announced U.S. Attorney Jeanine Ferris Pirro.
    - iso1631 7mo ago
      No you are thinking of AMERICA as I linked
- maest 7mo ago
  Troll post. Adds nothing to the conversation, just wants to inject a tired meme. What is the relevance of law and law enforcement around online messaging to renewable energy legislation?
graemep 7mo ago
I am not sure about a bulldozer, but in the UK you will be forced to demolish it yourself. I am not sure what the penalty is for failing to do so when ordered to, but it seems to be usually effective.
- c0balt 7mo ago
  Likely the same as in most other countries: fines, further orders and eventually criminal prosecution.
  - gzread 7mo ago
    when you go before a jury of your peers for having illegal solar panels on your roof, what will they say?
    - RobotToaster 7mo ago
      A solar farm isn't a few panels on your roof, it's a large installation in a field. Also in the UK it would probably be a civil lawsuit, which doesn't have a jury, although if you violate a civil court order you can still get a jail sentence.
gwbas1c 7mo ago
"Forgiveness is easier than permission" only makes sense when you know what you're doing and understand the consequences. (IE, paying taxes a little late in the US is okay because the fine is roughly the same as the interest of holding the money in the bank.) In the case of solar panels, I'm going to assume the OP is talking about something like a grid-scale solar farm instead of rooftop solar production: 1: You need an agreement with "the grid" to get payment for the electricity you generate. 2: Feeding electricity into a power grid is a very dangerous thing, at a minimum the grid operator needs to make sure you aren't going to cause a fire or otherwise break their equipment. --- That being said: If you're a homeowner trying to set up a small solar installation, you can pair the panels with batteries and skip feeding into the grid.

by gzread 7mo ago

bpodgursky 7mo ago

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iso1631 7mo ago
Load of bollocks, this meme is tiresome. It's the USA that fires people and jails people for a month for social media posts https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-meme-tennessee-arrest-larry-bushart-02b445f454bcfb657a48e8fa7e8ddfc9 https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-meme-tennessee-arres... Or if you want some actual context rather than twitter outrage bait https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB3WVygAM8I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB3WVygAM8I
- bpodgursky 7mo ago
  There are literally people in the UK in jail for tweets deemed to be incitement to violence. Maybe you think it's a good thing! I don't care! But it's ridiculous to argue over the facts on the ground.
  - gzread 7mo ago
    What were the tweets?
    - like_any_other 7mo ago
      I don't have examples of tweets handy, but here are stickers that get you 2 years in UK jail: They reportedly contained slogans such as “We will be a minority in our homeland by 2066”, “Mass immigration is white genocide”, “intolerance is a virtue” and “they seek conquest not asylum.” Sources: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-68448867 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-68448867 (does not quote a single sticker that he was jailed for) https://www.gbnews.com/news/sam-melia-free-speech-activists-outraged-jailed-far-right-stickers https://www.gbnews.com/news/sam-melia-free-speech-activists-...
      - iso1631 7mo ago
        Ahh, the famous "criminal damage is tweeting" case
        gzread 7mo ago
        "putting stickers on things is criminal damage deserving of prison time" is no better of a position But we should probably pay attention to what was written on the stickers.
        iso1631 7mo ago
        America literally jails people for quoting the US president The UK jails people for extreme incitement
        like_any_other 7mo ago
        Extreme incitement to changing government immigration policy.
        Hikikomori 7mo ago
        Der Sturmer had no impact either?
    - bpodgursky 7mo ago
      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yl7p4l11po https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yl7p4l11po > Lucy Connolly, 42, whose husband serves on Northampton Town Council, pleaded guilty in September after posting the expletive-ridden message on X the day three girls were stabbed to death in July 2024. > She was released from HMP Peterborough earlier after she was handed a 31-month prison sentence in October at Birmingham Crown Court. Like this one? I mean this is not some hard to find secret.
      - duskdozer 7mo ago
        Missing a piece of that? >Connolly, from Northampton, called for "mass deportation now" and urged her followers on X to "set fire" to hotels housing asylum seekers. This is probably not considered protected speech in the US either
        bpodgursky 7mo ago
        Lol there would be 40 million Americans in jail if this wasn't protected speech. Either way, doesn't matter I made this claim two ways: > the UK will put you in jail for tweets > people in the UK in jail for tweets deemed to be incitement to violence and there is no question whatsoever that what I said was true. Like it or hate it, I don't care, these are true statements.
        iso1631 7mo ago
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        iso1631 7mo ago
        > This is probably not considered protected speech in the US either You're absolutely right https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-man-charged-threaten-trump/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-man-charged-threaten... > An indictment unsealed Tuesday lists out a series of angry Facebook messages that Streavel allegedly penned about Mr. Trump both before and after the election — some of which expressed a desire for him to be assassinated. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/indiana-woman-charged-making-death-threats-facebook-against-president-trump https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/indiana-woman-charged-mak... > Nathalie Rose Jones, 50, of Lafayette, Indiana, was arrested in the District of Columbia on Saturday, August 16, and charged in connection with making a series of threats on social media in which she threatened to kill President Trump, announced U.S. Attorney Jeanine Ferris Pirro.
  - iso1631 7mo ago
    No you are thinking of AMERICA as I linked
maest 7mo ago
Troll post. Adds nothing to the conversation, just wants to inject a tired meme. What is the relevance of law and law enforcement around online messaging to renewable energy legislation?

graemep 7mo ago

I am not sure about a bulldozer, but in the UK you will be forced to demolish it yourself. I am not sure what the penalty is for failing to do so when ordered to, but it seems to be usually effective.

c0balt 7mo ago
Likely the same as in most other countries: fines, further orders and eventually criminal prosecution.
- gzread 7mo ago
  when you go before a jury of your peers for having illegal solar panels on your roof, what will they say?
  - RobotToaster 7mo ago
    A solar farm isn't a few panels on your roof, it's a large installation in a field. Also in the UK it would probably be a civil lawsuit, which doesn't have a jury, although if you violate a civil court order you can still get a jail sentence.

gwbas1c 7mo ago

"Forgiveness is easier than permission" only makes sense when you know what you're doing and understand the consequences. (IE, paying taxes a little late in the US is okay because the fine is roughly the same as the interest of holding the money in the bank.) In the case of solar panels, I'm going to assume the OP is talking about something like a grid-scale solar farm instead of rooftop solar production: 1: You need an agreement with "the grid" to get payment for the electricity you generate. 2: Feeding electricity into a power grid is a very dangerous thing, at a minimum the grid operator needs to make sure you aren't going to cause a fire or otherwise break their equipment. --- That being said: If you're a homeowner trying to set up a small solar installation, you can pair the panels with batteries and skip feeding into the grid.