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It's worse than that. Elon is a notoriously bad employer, and the only people that put up with him were the people that shared his vision. Pretty much the only
by zeroCalories 7mo ago
It's worse than that. Elon is a notoriously bad employer, and the only people that put up with him were the people that shared his vision. Pretty much the only people that will work for him now are second rate researchers and people that think gooner AI and racism is a worthwhile mission.
- LZ_Khan 7mo agoAfter seeing the type of people he hired for doge.. yikes.
- GeorgeTirebiter 7mo agoKarparthy worked for Elon for, what, 5 years? How did he do it, if Elon is Ivan the Terrible?
- jazzpush2 7mo agoKarpathy makes great educational content. It's not clear what industry (or academic) research he did even now, five years later.
- cmorgan31 7mo agoMate, wouldn’t it make sense that these rules are applied via hierarchy? If Elon respects Karparthy he almost certainly gave him a longer leash and Karparthy’s output was strong enough to not warrant intervention. It’s clear he did not want to stay long term so I’m not sure this is a strong line of thinking.
- GeorgeTirebiter 7mo agoIt's possible. I don't know. My tone comes off as support Elon, and I do not, at all. I've seen first-hand almost all of these tactics while I was at <Elon Company>. I'm observing that some people seem to do OK at Elon's companies, and for many years, and never seem to get the boot or be abused in other ways. Therefore, Elon is probably not quite as bad a manager as he is made out to be. This is all I am saying. Since I have firsthand knowledge, I believe my opinion has value. Those that disagree? Show me your Source of Truth. Thank you.
- cmorgan31 7mo agoI don’t believe Elon is even remotely related to a people manager. He’s a stakeholder and operator which require different skill sets. He finds folks who will manage to o bring the empathy he tends to lose in his pursuit of his next project. I believe your evidence may be anecdotally valuable but let’s be clear about the dynamic of a founder/ceo.
- hooch 7mo agoWas doge ever anything more than a "get root, grab the data, and run" operation?
- joquarky 7mo agoIt's pretty obvious now.
- yoyohello13 7mo agoIt was obvious at the time too.
- pstuart 7mo agoDon't forget the destruction of USAID and countless projects that had the word "diversity" in its work.
- markdown 7mo agoI think more important than that was shutting down all investigations into Musk's companies.
- boc 7mo agoMaybe, but destroying USAID was an unforgivable sin. Short of nukes, rapidly turning off direct medical and food aid that people in critical need have relied on for years is objectively one of the fastest way to kill millions of people.
- vessenes 7mo agoThere's some texture here. Elon's enriched pretty much everybody who's ever worked for and invested with him. He makes money for people throughout his orgs. Many ex-employees have said to me: "incredible opportunity, made great money, worked insanely hard, once is plenty".
- jamespo 7mo agoThere's probably a lot of survivor bias going on there
- raw_anon_1111 7mo agoAsk the people at Twitter..
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago> Ask the people at Twitter The ones with stock options in, now, SpaceX?
- sroussey 7mo agoPoor SpaceX employees whose options got diluted by Twitter. :/
- raw_anon_1111 7mo agoStock options aren’t magic. I bet you that the remaining Twitter employees won’t see a higher comp than equivalent employees at BigTech companies between their cash + RSUs when SpaceX IPOs. Aren’t employees also subject to a lock out period where they still can’t sell their stock until $x number of months after an IPO unlike employees of public companies that can sell as soon as they vest? Honest question, I’ve worked for public $BigTech but haven’t been at a company pre IPO
- vibeprofessor 7mo ago[dead]
- ai_critic 7mo agoGooning and racism have been a cornerstone of humanity since we descended from the trees, for better or worse.
- refulgentis 7mo ago[dead]