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Feel like the canary was when Grokpedia became a project. Giant waste of time while Anthropic/OAI keep surging forward. I also keep hearing this narrative tha
by bearjaws 7mo ago
Feel like the canary was when Grokpedia became a project.
Giant waste of time while Anthropic/OAI keep surging forward.
I also keep hearing this narrative that Twitter is a good data source, but I cannot imagine it's a valuable dataset. Sure keeping up with realtime topics can be useful, but I am not sure how much of a product that is.
- jmspring 7mo agoTwitter has the mass adoption, and it takes an effort to avoid bot/particular view bias - but as a valuable content source, it's a far cry from what it once was before Musk took it over.
- notahacker 7mo agoTwitter's communication style being based around brevity, slang, memes, spam and non-threaded conversations seems particularly unlikely to be helpful for optimising LLMs
- aleph_minus_one 7mo ago> Twitter's communication style [...] seems particularly unlikely to be helpful for optimising LLMs This depends on what one wants to optimize the AI for. ;-)
- tclancy 7mo ago>Twitter's communication style being based around brevity Is this still true? Every once in a while someone sends a link around to some madman explaining how race or economics or whatever "really" works and it's like a full dissertation with headings, footnotes, clip art. They're halfway to reinventing Grok-o-pedia right there in Twitter. I mean X. I was promised that "X gonna give it to you" but it turns out "it" is some form of brain chlymidia.
- 3rodents 7mo agoElon was running some sort of $1m competition for the “best” Twitter post for a few months. I think those type of dissertations about Phrenology and the like have fallen off a cliff since the competition ended.
- tclancy 7mo agoOoohhhh. I am both glad and horrified to know this. Not how Seneca told me life would be when I learned things.
- delecti 7mo agoThere's probably a selection bias involved. I haven't been a regular user for a while now, but the big threads like that were significantly outnumbered by individual posts. Meanwhile I'm not likely to send a link to someone of a single single-sentence tweet, because there's not enough meat to it. The stuff that could be shared would usually be an image from the tweet, which I could share directly.
- libertine 7mo agoAnd the amount of bots there isn't helpful either.
- facemelt2 7mo agorecent changes in their comment system have reduced my exposure to bots to a level I much prefer over every other platform I use
- tanjtanjtanj 7mo agoHow recent? As recently as last weekend I was seeing blue check marks replying with AI generated only-technically-related replies on top of the majority of the posts I looked at.
- libertine 7mo agoIf that's actually true, good for them, but after what I've witnessed there not that long ago, I doubt I'll try it ever again.
- rvnx 7mo agoThere are bots here too, lot of them, to a point that rules were amended, this is because it's very valuable to give points to new publications
- UncleOxidant 7mo ago> Giant waste of time while Anthropic/OAI keep surging forward. And Google. They're quietly making a lot of progress in the coding space with antigravity and Gemini 3.1.
- koakuma-chan 7mo agoHas Antigravity gotten any better?
- BoredPositron 7mo agoProbably the best value for a good amount of anthropic credits. You can also share your Google ai subscription with up to four family members and they all get the same amount of credits...
- sunaookami 7mo agoIt has gotten worse and they tightened the limits for paying customers recently: https://x.com/antigravity/status/2031835833716625883 https://x.com/antigravity/status/2031835833716625883 (only announcement on Twitter, not in the app nor via email)
- kivle 7mo agoLimits are so low that I cancelled after about two weeks on my initial $0 trial. I tried making a change to a tiny code base with Claude Sonnet (which they offer in Antigravity). It couldn't even finish the change before my weekly limit was used up, reset in 7 days.
- koakuma-chan 7mo agoto be fair you shouldn't expect them to subsidize Anthropic models. what about limits for gemini?
- kivle 7mo ago
- brokencode 7mo agoIt’s pretty telling that Elon had to have Grok rewrite Wikipedia because the truth was too woke for him. No idea how anybody can ever take Grok seriously.
- squarefoot 7mo agoProbably next generations of kids being fed PragerU studying material will. Something tells me we didn't see a fraction of what's going to happen in the decades to come.
- tclancy 7mo ago[flagged]
- alex1138 7mo agoI can both not like Elon and also think Wikipedia is also very captured on some things
- freehorse 7mo agoI can understand somebody not liking wikipedia, I cannot understand at all somebody, who is not Elon, liking/preferring "grokipedia" as idea or implementation.
- scottyah 7mo ago> "grokipedia" as idea So you can understand someone not liking something, but you cannot understand that person liking the idea of an alternative? What is the idea for you if not just an alternative to the established service with the undesired part changed?
- debugnik 7mo agoThey meant the idea of Wikipedia rewritten by Grok (or another controversial LLM) specifically, not just any alternative.
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- giancarlostoro 7mo ago> but I cannot imagine it's a valuable dataset. It's going to be a mixed batch, but any time there's world events, since as far back as I can think, Twitter (now X) was always first in breaking news. There's plenty of people and news orgs still on X because they need to be for the audience.
- ben_w 7mo ago> Feel like the canary was when Grokpedia became a project. Giant waste of time while Anthropic/OAI keep surging forward. Really? I assumed that that whole thing was just a very direct `for each article in Wikipedia { article = LLM(systemprompt, article) }` Agree re Twitter "good" != valuable.
- sroussey 7mo agoWhere system prompt lists a certain someone’s latest tweets.
- BurningFrog 7mo agoGrok is trained on pretty much the same giant web crawl/text corpus as the other AIs.
- paulbjensen 7mo agoThe Twitter social graph was an amazing data asset. I worked at a consumer insights firm and the data on followers/followings was quite powerful. Using a custom taxonomy of things (celebrities, influencers, magazines, brands, tv shows, films, games, all kinds of things), we could identify groups of people who liked certain things, and when you looked at what those things were, it gave you a way of understanding who those people were. With that data, you could work out: - What celebrities/influencers to use in marketing campaigns - Where to advertise, and on which tv/radio channels - What potential brands to collaborate with to expand your customer base - What tone of voice to use in your advertising - In some cases, we educated clients about who their actual customers were, better than they understood themselves. One scenario, we built a social media feed based on the things that a group of customers following a well-known Deodorant brand in the UK would see. When we presented that to the client, they said “Why are there so many women in bikinis in this feed?” The brand had repositioned themselves to a male-grooming focussed target market, but had failed to realise that their existing customer base were the ones that had been looking at their TV adverts of women on beaches chasing a man who happened to spray their Deodorant on them. Their advertising from the past had been very effective. That was the power of Twitter’s data, and it is an absolute shame that Twitter went the way that it did. Mark Zuckerberg once said that Twitter was like “watching a clown car driven into a gold mine”. I’m pretty sure he must be delighted with how things have panned out since.
- cyanydeez 7mo agoIt _was_ a great asset, however, just like models need proper data, as soon as musk removed the clamps on valuable social signals, well, he basically took a dump where he intended to eat.
- ohyoutravel 7mo agoThey did say was, and did say Twitter, which existed in the past.
- smcin 7mo agoThat Zuckerberg quote was published in 2013 and supposedly was made a year or more before. Was it about when Dick Costolo was CEO (2010-2012)?
- EGreg 7mo agoI'm not a fan of Elon's software endeavors, ever since he bought Twitter and turned it into an even worse cesspool of angry political nonsense than it used to be. I don't like how he's been biasing Grok, etc. But, what exactly is so bad about Grokipedia? It's a different approach and I think a valid one: trying to do with AI what people have been doing manually at Wikipedia. I'm curious to hear the substantive comparisons.
- kennywinker 7mo agoI think the issue is simply this: wikipedia trends towards unbiased info through use of the crowd. Grok, with a single owner with an ax to grind, trends towards whatever elon wants. It’s poisoned information under the control of one man - cyberpunk novels have been written about less.
- wat10000 7mo agoA concrete example: a few weeks ago, Musk was making a big deal about how most of his massive net worth was not held in cash, and by a total coincidence the phrase "primarily derived from equity stakes rather than cash" showed up on his Grokipedia page in the section about net worth. I checked the pages of several other extremely wealthy people and none of them had such a comment.
- tmp10423288442 7mo ago> wikipedia trends towards unbiased info through use of the crowd See, this is why people even give a project like Grokipedia the time of day. While in theory anyone can edit Wikipedia, in practice the moderators form a much smaller and weirder cabal, and they reject edits that go against their views. The frustration with the naive assertion that Wikipedia distills the wisdom of the crowds with the reality of Wikipedia on any page of note is what provides the psychic permission to even entertain a project with such obvious flaws as Grokipedia.
- kennywinker 7mo ago> and they reject edits that go against their views Citation needed. See what i did there ;) They reject edits that go against their views on tone and sourcing not political views that i am aware of - i am sure it happens from time to time but unless there’s a consistant bias in one direction this isn’t a valid criticism of the political neutrality of wikipedia. Even if there is rampant bias in wikipedia, that’s a reason to fork it and change the structure and gatekeeping - not to replace it with a techno-authoritarian ai version controlled by a single billionaire. That’s amplifying the problem from an aggregate bias of 600,000 users who have made an edit in the last 30 days[1] to just one editor who uses ai to make it seem impartial. [1] https://expandedramblings.com/index.php/wikipedia-statistics/#contributors https://expandedramblings.com/index.php/wikipedia-statistics...
- sheepscreek 7mo agoAFAIK Grok still doesn’t have a CLI coding agent that works with a subscription. That’s a shame. Grok Code Fast 1 was pretty impressive when it came out - for what it did, and they never followed it up with a new version.
- sroussey 7mo agoYou can use cursor with grok, though my experience is that grok is the worst of the API providers cursor supports.
- samrus 7mo agoTwotter as a data source is interesting. I think it gets over hyped because thats elons grift. But i cant deny that the real time info aspect of it is pretty valuable. But i definitely think that its not that much more valuable than the open internet from a context source perspective. Everything worthwhile on twitter will end up elsewhere with a bit of lag. And the stuff that wont is noise anyway
- vibeprofessor 7mo ago[dead]
- laidoffamazon 7mo agoAs someone trying to monitor the situation using Twitter the last few weeks it’s awful and it used to not be!
- Rover222 7mo agoIt’s flawed, but still the obvious place to monitor a situation.
- rchaud 7mo agoIt's long been taken over by Telegram, which among its other advantages (more like a message board than 'town square'), doesn't have hordes of people commenting "@grok explain this to me" under every post.
- Rover222 7mo agoI've never even heard of telegram competing with X for live world events updates. But maybe I'm just missing out.