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Lost Doctor Who episodes found
- shablulman 7mo ago[flagged]
- hoyd 7mo agoPerhaps the doctor meant for these to be lost and not found, or that the daleks was afraid of them?
- nephihaha 7mo agoI think Doctor Who was finding its feet in the Hartnell era and it was Troughton who really first defined the character to what he became later. In the Hartnell era, the Doctor was a grandfather I think, looked old (although Hartnell was much younger than he appeared, thanks to the war etc) and seems to have been human.
- deleted 7mo ago[deleted]
- beardyw 7mo agoI remember wanting to love Dr Who even before it was broadcast. The TARDIS was great, but the first series was disappointing. Like so many others, it was the first sight (and sound) of a Dalek which vindicated my hopes.
- Y_Y 7mo agoThis is back in 1963 eh? I'm impressed you can remember that.
- 8bitsrule 7mo agoWho was a memorable show! The first broadcasted show I saw was already in the Baker era, and that was because I was living near the Canadian border. After I moved, I greatly missed it for decades until world demand brought it back.
- beardyw 7mo agoWhat I did yesterday is more of a problem.
- OutOfHere 7mo ago[flagged]
- draygonia 7mo agoDavid Tennant was a great Doctor Who. It's definitely still a good show and I'm sure they didn't swap out the entire production cast between those seasons to 'wokify' it.
- afavour 7mo agoI view Doctor Who as part of a great tradition of sci-fi that pushes boundaries. Tennant's era was a primetime TV show that featured gay characters (Captain Jack in particular) without treating it like it was a big deal. When at the time it really wasn't that common (particularly in kid-friendly TV). These attempts overshoot at times, like when Star Trek TNG put male crew members in "skants"[1] but they can always course correct. If you let minor things like that ruin your viewing of the show then that's on you, not them. [1] https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_(2350s-2370s)#Skant https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_(2350...
- iso1631 7mo ago> These attempts overshoot at times, like when Star Trek TNG On the other hand the entire run of the "progressive" Star Trek didn't have a single gay character until 2016 - not even in guest stars (well there was the whole Dax/Trill thing, and the "non binary" character with Riker)
- Anonbrit 7mo agoPeople have been making the same complaint about Dr Who for at least 40 years, couched in the language of the day. Same with Star Trek.
- zenon_paradox 7mo ago[dead]
- mrlonglong 7mo agoWe have all the voice recordings, feed that into AI along with the extant episodes and it should be able to regenerate (geddit?) the missing episodes.
- waltbosz 7mo agoFeels a bit like Jurassic Park
- BurningFrog 7mo agoThe risk of the episodes going wild and kill lawyers seems minimal though.
- panzagl 7mo agoRisk or benefit?
- razingeden 7mo agoThen what is AI even good for? :(
- benj111 7mo agoFrom a utilitarian pov yes. But that's completely missing the artistic point. Why shoot a film when you could just feed the script into an AI?
- mrlonglong 7mo agoIt could recreate missing episodes using the extant episodes. That's something worthwhile doing until someone finds them. It's not creating a complete new series.
- tracker1 7mo agoEven if it's motion comic level animation, it'd still be nice to see combined with the audio recordings.
- pessimizer 7mo agoI was afraid this would never happen again. Two very good episodes, too. I just pray that we'll get to see a few more Troughton episodes. He's the doctor that set the standard that all future doctors followed, yet the least known because the moronic BBC wiped basically his entire run, and now we only have about half of it. Tom Baker was "my Doctor" because he's the one who made me love the show when I was a kid, but Troughton (and Zoë and Jamie) are my favorite era. edit: Zoë and Jamie are from way back when the companions were expected to be useful, before Sarah Jane. Zoë was better at math than the Doctor; imagine them doing anything like that now.
- NetMageSCW 7mo agoCompanions are still useful, they just bring different skills to the Doctor (humanity?).
- pessimizer 7mo agoNo, they're cute, neurotic, complain a lot, and fall in love with the Doctor (who is a Great Man with the weight of the universe on his shoulders.) They're all Sarah Jane. There was the one companion where both elements happened at the same time; the last primarily useful companion, the first companion to be in love with the Doctor: Jo Grant, the UNIT agent with a certificate from an "Escapeology course," but would look up at the Doctor with puppydog eyes. She had suddenly replaced Liz Shaw, the super-competent UNIT scientist who sometimes seemed like she could barely tolerate him. They made Jo Grant a rookie and a klutz. Up to Jo Grant, the companions were primarily there to do things, so the Doctor didn't have to be everything. Jo Grant was the one who would free them when they were tied up and locked in a storeroom; like how Zoë would make fun of how bad the Doctor was at driving the Tardis. Sarah Jane, by contrast, was as helpless as a fetus, constantly complaining, and hopelessly in love. Leela, Romana, and Adric (although Adric was constantly humiliated, then killed) were still left to come, and Ace allowed the useful companions from the original series to go out with a bang(sorry), but in Nu Doctor Who it was to be strictly Sarah Janes forever. People even thought Donna Noble was a breath of fresh air because even though she was useless and constantly complaining, at least she wasn't constantly simpering and crying over him. The absolute nadir of this trend was when Martha Jones, actually a medical doctor(!), was nearly suicidal with lust over him and he was just not into her at all. Doesn't like career women, I guess. It's not you, Martha, it's me. Now I'm off to haunt a little girl's bedroom and cuck the sweet, perfect boyfriend who would be willing to wait 2,000 years for her. Maybe you should look up Mickey, that other guy whose fiancé I stole while I let him ride in the backseat. He's single; I ruined his girl for anyone else.
- MrGinkgo 7mo agoFilm cans? I thought the whole reason the series was missing was because it was shot on video, and then the tapes were wiped after shooting?
- Uvix 7mo agoFilm prints were made for overseas sales.
- mikehall314 7mo agoYou're correct but as Uvix has said, BBC Enterprises made film copies for overseas sales before the original tapes were erased. The earliest episode to survive on its original videotape is Ambassadors of Death episode 1 from 1970. None of the original 60s tapes still survive, though I believe there is at least one tape that we know used to have Doctor Who on it but which now has another programme. The earliest episode to survive in its original medium is possibly The Dalek Invasion of Earth episode 5 (The Waking Ally). That's because, while this was shot on electronic studio cameras as usual, there were no videotape machines available to record. Instead the output of those cameras was telerecorded straight to 35mm film. AIUI the negative of that telerecording still exists.
- WalterBright 7mo ago> there is at least one tape that we know used to have Doctor Who on it but which now has another programme. Recording over another recording does not completely erase the other. I wonder if it could be recovered.
- mikehall314 7mo agoIt has been suggested numerous times, but the BBC didn’t just record over the top - the tapes were erased with a degausser before reuse.
- WalterBright 7mo agoOh well.
- throwawaymobule 7mo agoIt's strange for formerly lost media to get a whole news story about it. This should, but still strange. Hope more are found sooner than another 13 years from now.
- zahlman 7mo agoWhy should that be strange?
- nephihaha 7mo agoThere are several "holy grails" in British TV history. Lost Doctor Who episodes are one of them. Dad's Army also has lost black and white episodes (the colour ones have been repeated ad nauseam all my lifetime). I can think of a few others. Scotch on the Rocks was a political hit piece written by Douglas Hurd showing an armed Scottish uprising along the lines of Northern Ireland. It was supposed to frighten people away from Scottish nationalism, but ended up causing copycat incidents. It vanished shortly after being broadcast probably because of its unintended effects. The ultimate would be some of the pre-WW2 television broadcasts. Most of these were broadcast in the London area and practically nowhere else. Almost no one had recording equipment back then and they were often broadcast live.
- ahartmetz 7mo agoI just wanted to mention at this opportunity that some British TV series from the late 70s, early 80s are absolutely brilliant and some of the best stuff I have ever watched. Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Smiley's People, Danger UXB, Sandbaggers and Sherlock Holmes are some of my favorites.
- nephihaha 7mo agoSherlock Holmes is great. Tinker Tailor was repeated through my childhood, so I saw it a few too many times. I watched it again recently and found it slow... However the cast of it and Smiley's People are great. Karla is a notable early appearance of Patrick Stewart. There were some great period dramas at the time, if a little set bound (like I, Claudius)
- haunter 7mo agoThere are a lot of known lost episodes out there that collectors saved from thrash. The BBC knows it, everyone knows it, but the collectors won't come forward because they are afraid they are going to be prosecuted. They basically stole property which was meant to be destroyed. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/11/lost-doctor-who-episodes-found-owner-reluctant-to-hand-them-to-bbc https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/11/lost-do...
- zdw 7mo agoThe cost to make a digital copy from film stock has gone way down, to the point that fan groups [1][2] frequently encode and clean up old copies of film: [1]: https://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/project-4k77/ https://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/project-4k77/ [2]: https://www.youtube.com/c/kinekovideo https://www.youtube.com/c/kinekovideo This of course has various IP implications...
- zedlasso 7mo agoI remember when Eccleston's version came out and all the nerd blogs were crying cause this means these episodes were never gonna be released. You are so right.They are never gonna be released.
- mapontosevenths 7mo agoThe original... takers of these films are dying off. It's well known that many episodes exist within private collections. The prevailing belief in the fandom is that they will be get released as the owners pass away. Indeed, that's likely where these two came from.
- dhosek 7mo agoIt is, in fact, exactly where these two came from.
- hsbauauvhabzb 7mo agoI would have thought there would be parties willing to anonymously rip and upload any such materials?
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- mapontosevenths 7mo ago"My flabber has never been so gasted." - Pete Purves
- antonvs 7mo agoI guess the BBC just has no editors now. There’s no valid way to interpret that headline as grammatical.
- sefrost 7mo agoCan you explain? It seems like a pretty standard British news/newspaper headline to me.
- codeulike 7mo agoYou may not understand it, but it is grammatically correct.
- acuozzo 7mo agoYou'd have a point if the BBC hadn't capitalized the Who, but they did, so your pedantry is not only needless, but wrong. Would you expect them to throw quotation marks around Anton Whom in a headline including his name?
- antonvs 7mo agoItalicizing it or quoting it would have worked. As it is, it's just incoherent, and you're working too hard to apologize for incompetence.
- metalman 7mo agoright here with me is an old 3/4" brodcast video tape machine I rescued from an arts collective that was shutting down, in it is a tape, labeled Doctor Who
- dramm 7mo agoHopefully some day somebody will build a Tardis and travel back in time and eliminate the BBC morons who allowed all this destruction.
- YeGoblynQueenne 7mo ago>> Written by the creator of the Daleks, Terry Nation, and Dennis Spooner, the serial starred Hartnell and Purves alongside an early appearance by Nicholas Courtney as Bret Vyon, Adrienne Hill as Katarina, and Kevin Stoney as Mavic Chen. I thought the creator of the Daleks was Davros?