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It keeps annoying me, too. How can their developers not see this?!

by nikolay 7mo ago

riffraff 7mo ago
I'm starting to suspect most people at Apple (and Microsoft) just spend time in a browser these days and so they don't notice how the desktop has gone shitty.
- pjmlp 7mo ago
  I won't be public shaming, but on a .NET podcast I just heard of an internal Microsoft project that took 7 years (!), to become public, it was a plain single Assembly .NET library nothing special (1 DLL).
  - littlecranky67 7mo ago
    Which one?
- hulitu 7mo ago
  Then why are they rounding windows corners ? Boredom ?
galad87 7mo ago
Because that's by design. The windows are meant to have different corner radius, they even explained it at WWDC. Then people forgot and rediscovered it again, like it was some new thing. I am not saying that it's a good idea to have different corner radius, just that it's nothing new.
- mikae1 7mo ago
  > they even explained it at WWDC Did they explain the reasoning?
  - galad87 7mo ago
    To align the window corner radius to the window close/minimize/resize buttons distance from the edge of the window.
    - nikolay 7mo ago
      I'd rather have my corners perfect and not have the constant eyesore of pixels bleeding from other windows' corners!
    - Karliss 7mo ago
      Except it kind of fails at that too. The window corners seem to be either based on those squircle things or some kind of other varying radii curve which eases out into sides much more gradually than proper circles. The window buttons (close, minimize) the round toolbar buttons anchored to top right corner are based on proper circles. Attempting to center circle in a varying curvature corner results in varying spacing between the circle and corner, which defeats the whole point of why different windows have different corner size (not calling it radius because they are not circles). When the top right corner contains a search field instead of rounded button, that also seems to use varying curvature instead of capsule with proper circles at the ends. Still results in varying spacing between window corner and the toolbar content. And that's just the 2 top corners. Attempts to align top corners result in even bigger mismatch with the rest of the window content. For example calculator -> it has a grid of round buttons. While the window corners might match top bar (as good as they can due to different shapes) the main calculation buttons don't match the corners at all. Similar problem affects many of the popups which have something like confirmation button anchored to bottom right corner. Rounded scrollbar handle - not aligned with bottom left corner size, instead it awkwardly gets cut of by different amount in each program. Menus also have this disease. The non circular corner curve of overall menu shape extends way past the corner of item highlight resulting in varying spacing and making it feel almost like whole menu has bulged out instead of flat sides.
      - trymas 7mo ago
        Exactly! And to OC you're replying to: window close/minimise/resize were already equidistant from window edge on macOS 15 and probably earlier. Here is a screenshot (safari in the background, textedit in front): https://pasteboard.co/OeMBTDKGsTx9.png https://pasteboard.co/OeMBTDKGsTx9.png In MacOS 26 it's only weirder, because as you say - due to squircle window corners, now we have this constantly varying distance to the edge. EDIT: I "get" apple's fascination to squircle, but why they made it such a big radius. Probably no one would've complained if they just have changed from current ~15-20px rounded corners into ~15-20px squircles, but they went 50px+ on toolbared windows.
pjmlp 7mo ago
Priorities on what tickets to work on, and Apple being proudly underresourced.
mulmen 7mo ago
Because they did it on purpose to demonstrate their utter contempt for their users and to show us how wrong we are.
jiehong 7mo ago
Yep, it’s just ugly IMO
hurfdurf 7mo ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47320534 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47320534

It keeps annoying me, too. How can their developers not see this?!

by nikolay 7mo ago

It keeps annoying me, too. How can their developers not see this?!

I'm starting to suspect most people at Apple (and Microsoft) just spend time in a browser these days and so they don't notice how the desktop has gone shitty.

pjmlp 7mo ago
I won't be public shaming, but on a .NET podcast I just heard of an internal Microsoft project that took 7 years (!), to become public, it was a plain single Assembly .NET library nothing special (1 DLL).
- littlecranky67 7mo ago
  Which one?
hulitu 7mo ago
Then why are they rounding windows corners ? Boredom ?

galad87 7mo ago

Because that's by design. The windows are meant to have different corner radius, they even explained it at WWDC. Then people forgot and rediscovered it again, like it was some new thing. I am not saying that it's a good idea to have different corner radius, just that it's nothing new.

mikae1 7mo ago
> they even explained it at WWDC Did they explain the reasoning?
- galad87 7mo ago
  To align the window corner radius to the window close/minimize/resize buttons distance from the edge of the window.
  - nikolay 7mo ago
    I'd rather have my corners perfect and not have the constant eyesore of pixels bleeding from other windows' corners!
  - Karliss 7mo ago
    Except it kind of fails at that too. The window corners seem to be either based on those squircle things or some kind of other varying radii curve which eases out into sides much more gradually than proper circles. The window buttons (close, minimize) the round toolbar buttons anchored to top right corner are based on proper circles. Attempting to center circle in a varying curvature corner results in varying spacing between the circle and corner, which defeats the whole point of why different windows have different corner size (not calling it radius because they are not circles). When the top right corner contains a search field instead of rounded button, that also seems to use varying curvature instead of capsule with proper circles at the ends. Still results in varying spacing between window corner and the toolbar content. And that's just the 2 top corners. Attempts to align top corners result in even bigger mismatch with the rest of the window content. For example calculator -> it has a grid of round buttons. While the window corners might match top bar (as good as they can due to different shapes) the main calculation buttons don't match the corners at all. Similar problem affects many of the popups which have something like confirmation button anchored to bottom right corner. Rounded scrollbar handle - not aligned with bottom left corner size, instead it awkwardly gets cut of by different amount in each program. Menus also have this disease. The non circular corner curve of overall menu shape extends way past the corner of item highlight resulting in varying spacing and making it feel almost like whole menu has bulged out instead of flat sides.
    - trymas 7mo ago
      Exactly! And to OC you're replying to: window close/minimise/resize were already equidistant from window edge on macOS 15 and probably earlier. Here is a screenshot (safari in the background, textedit in front): https://pasteboard.co/OeMBTDKGsTx9.png https://pasteboard.co/OeMBTDKGsTx9.png In MacOS 26 it's only weirder, because as you say - due to squircle window corners, now we have this constantly varying distance to the edge. EDIT: I "get" apple's fascination to squircle, but why they made it such a big radius. Probably no one would've complained if they just have changed from current ~15-20px rounded corners into ~15-20px squircles, but they went 50px+ on toolbared windows.

pjmlp 7mo ago

Priorities on what tickets to work on, and Apple being proudly underresourced.

mulmen 7mo ago

Because they did it on purpose to demonstrate their utter contempt for their users and to show us how wrong we are.

jiehong 7mo ago

Yep, it’s just ugly IMO

hurfdurf 7mo ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47320534 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47320534