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New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike
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- Teever 8mo ago[flagged]
- readthenotes1 8mo agoI'm not clear how it is tech related. There are plenty of other ways to get general news, hacker News is not your all-purpose News feed...
- Teever 8mo agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- waffleiron 8mo agoChina and geopolitical enemies of the US doing horrible things regularly gets hundreds of votes. It’s quite clear that this argument is mainly used to defend the US and it’s allies. Just a single example of Russia, hundreds of votes and more than a thousand comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30458277 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30458277 Edit; just search for Russia, China or Iran on https://hn.algolia.com/ https://hn.algolia.com/ and you’ll find plenty of non tech stories.
- readthenotes1 8mo agoWhataboutism has no place in polite discussion: two, or more, wrongs don't make a right.
- enronmusk 8mo agoExposing double standards is not whataboutism.
- Hikikomori 8mo agoIt is as palantirs target selection system that used Claude is likely what why it happened. Anthropic wanted humans in the loop of this to make sure targets are correct, dow didn't.
- pinkmuffinere 8mo ago> Teever 1 hour ago ...
- Teever 8mo agoI'm genuinely surprised. After seeing this article flagged https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47273698 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47273698 I assumed there was no hope for this one.
- OutOfHere 8mo agoWhat is not clear is how the US received such faulty intelligence. It is also strange how such a blunder happened on day 1. Did some followed Iranian targets go hide in the school? If so, did Iran have a hand in engineering misleading intel for the US, or was it solely the US' doing? Today a boy's school in Iran was affected by an explosion. The intelligence received by the US chronically seems troubled.
- mothballed 8mo agoI read secondhand that it was used for military purposes during the Obama years and it appears no one tagged it as now being used as a school for the past 10 years. No idea if it's correct, but it's plausible they were operating off of extremely stale intelligence.
- killjoywashere 8mo agothat sounds plausible. For people not tracking, the concept of intelligence at play is "object based development". One analyst drops a label, brief synopsis, whatever, and it just sits there for the next person who comes along. The world view gets more accurate over time, but there's a recency error that's hard to measure until the probability function collapses with a measurement.
- meheleventyone 8mo agoThe collapse in this case being the murder of children at school.
- mmooss 8mo ago> The world view gets more accurate over time Is that true? I can imagine it's true at first, going from zero bits of information to 1, etc. But information rots over time, and eventually a collection of old information may rot faster than new information improves the world view. Also, the overall world view isn't especially important, at least not in this case. Each element's accuracy is what's important. Hopefully each tag is accompanied by a date, at least.
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- zocoi 8mo agoIs it the lack of intensive AI analysis? AI can review satellite images over time and suggest if the building is civilian or not. School activities are very obvious
- crazygringo 8mo agoThat is actually a point that rarely gets brought up -- we're so concerned about the dangers of AI in warfare, we don't necessarily stop to think of where they may be able to do a better job at avoiding lethal errors.
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- blipvert 8mo agoSource?
- krapp 8mo agoAmerican propaganda.
- gaoshan 8mo agoIran did not admit to this. Further, the current suspicion that the killing of these children was done by the US is coming from a US investigation, not from some external source.
- hntechbropseud 8mo agoI do remember seeing a comment in a previous thread about this war. Some person (their profile said cofounder of docker or something???) and they posted a twitter link saying that it looked Iranian-caused. I don’t know what compels someone to take a twitter blue check as an authoritative source. But there were people peddling bizarre rumors without any real evidence
- mullingitover 8mo agoI get the feeling AI will be blamed for this, but I would not rule out the hypothesis that this was done intentionally in order to incite Iran to do something that bolsters support for the US regime’s actions. They desperately need domestic political support for this war and right now even the hardcore MAGA people are against it.
- Kapura 8mo agoIt's a really warped mind that could think the best way to build domestic war support would be to blow up a girls' school, but frankly i haven't seen anything from the u.s. government that makes it sound implausible.
- surgical_fire 8mo agoSounds too convoluted, and implies that those in power in the countries attacking Iran have a grand plan that goes beyond killing people in Iran. The explanation is simpler. They want death, so they are bombing shit indiscriminately Hitting a school was not a mistake, it was the point.
- killjoywashere 8mo agoYeah, Hanlon's Razor applies.
- _alternator_ 8mo agoI think a tragic mistake like this was foreseeable (in a vague sense), but I highly doubt that anyone intentionally bombed an elementary school full of children. The NYT had some good reporting on this, and you can see how the mistake was made. The elementary school used to be part of the IRGC base until 2016. Then it was fenced off and made an elementary school. The “shooter” (in this case, the USA) had a duty to check that the target was currently a valid military target. This verification, if it was done at all, was clearly the problem. I’m sure you have someone directly responsible for this mistake who is going to have a hard time living with themselves. But like I said, starting a war leads to inevitable tragedy, and I doubt the people who are indirectly responsible will ever recognize their culpability in this.
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- m_ke 8mo agoNo these fascists will celebrate this as not being woke, this is just them defending "the west" from muslims...
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- myko 8mo ago> CNN skews heavily to the left. Not for at least a decade, CNN is run by extremely hard right folks today
- nkurz 8mo agoThe AllSides evaluation for CNN is interesting: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/cnn-media-bias https://www.allsides.com/news-source/cnn-media-bias. They have CNN currently rated as "Lean Left", changed from "Left" a few years ago due to the changes you point out. You'll need to read the fine text to see their reasoning. While there were some votes that they are now biased to Right, this was a minority position.
- BigTTYGothGF 8mo ago> On top of that, the IRGC isn’t big on educating women They're pretty lousy at the collegiate level (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_education_in_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_education_in_Iran) but: oh, come on.
- plaidfuji 8mo agoThis story is now being carried by WSJ.. the likelihood that it’s real only seems to grow each day. If true, this will be the humanitarian price the war is measured against, assuming the casualties don’t grow further.
- mechanicalpulse 8mo agoI can’t argue with you there. The Pentagon’s silence is deafening; I only want to caution myself as much as anyone against jumping to conclusions. It may be AI, it may be bad intelligence, it may be Russian counterintelligence, it may be an IRGC false flag, it may be a little bit of all of the above.
- mdni007 8mo agoThe US government has now been taken over by religious extremists. The irony...
- Frost1x 8mo agoI think it’s taken by greed focused extremists, they’re just trying to bide favor with some other extremist groups as their flail to maintain their power and attempt to expand it.
- ryandrake 8mo agoI remember being worried about James Dobson, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell back in the 90s and how they were influencing politics from a distance. Thinking that was the worst it could be. Now we have [1]. 1: https://i.redd.it/z3yq85ff9eng1.png https://i.redd.it/z3yq85ff9eng1.png
- arvid-lind 8mo agothey're only pretending to be religious extremists so they will get those votes, though. just like they pretend to be everything else. when the mask comes off and they call the shots, this is who Republicans are. Guardians of Pedophiles.
- mandeepj 8mo ago> this is who Republicans are. Guardians of Pedophiles. They are the worst of the worst! Always projecting!! Republicans spread hatred about trans people during the day, but at night, they thirst for them and get caught fucking them. Their voters are just next level dilusionals!!
- plaidfuji 8mo agoIf this turns out to be true, which seems increasingly likely day by day, this will be the humanitarian price against which the rest of the campaign will be measured. The US will have ceded much of the moral high ground they claimed in avenging the slaughter of innocent protesters.
- tchalla 8mo ago> The US will have ceded much of the moral high ground they claimed in avenging the slaughter of innocent protesters. It will be forgotten soon.
- mothballed 8mo agoI hope you're right, and one day we don't read 20 or 30 years from now the biography of a terrorist, and it starts out with their experience being the sibling of a child injured at one of these schools.
- AlecSchueler 8mo agoIn the US, but not in Iran and elsewhere.
- matusp 8mo agoYeah, but that does not influence US politics.
- bathtub365 8mo agoI’d argue that Iran has a huge influence on US politics, as the US is currently at war with them.
- JeremyNT 8mo agoThe fate of Iranian civilians does not impact US politics. A majority of Americans are completely unconcerned by the suffering of victims of the empire abroad.
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