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Apple: Enough Is Enough
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- tonymet 8mo agoConsent Prompt Fatigue and overload is a serious problem. To perform the most basic task across my iPhone + watch I need to suffer half a dozen consent & pin prompts. Often at the most sensitive and difficult times: it's raining, I have gloves, I'm juggling a power tool or something dangerous. My devices continue pin prompt me every 30 seconds like I'm holding the Nuclear football. We used to respect that credential/consent prompt fatigue resulted in worse security, then the lawyers got their way, engineers / product managers conceded, and now users are punished with useless prompting every 10 seconds. The only way forward will be for some a-hole product managers to push back on this nonsense.
- pavel_lishin 8mo ago> Consent Prompt Fatigue and overload is a serious problem. My favorite part is that sometimes, a security prompt will pop up and hijack focus - and if you happen to be typing something, hitting the space bar will click on something, and if you happen to notice that, you'll at least know that something is now broken and you gotta figure out where to fix it. Happened to me last night as I was setting up a new macbook, and I managed to deny myself access to edit my own crontab.
- tonymet 8mo agoexactly. These are supposed to be tools and behave predictably. It's maddening when focus is stolen and interrupted by an unexpected prompt. Often for something I already consented to. [edited]
- pantulis 8mo agoBack in the day, in Operating System Design class I dared to suggest the teacher that for some obscure inode related problem the system should ask the user what to do. His answer was "We are designing an operating system, not a messaging solution". This was circa 30 years ago of course, and the essence and complexity of what an OS is today is different, but the idea still resonates in my head every time macOS deploys one of these prompts at me.
- tonymet 8mo agoSomewhere in early MacOS design guidelines I remember it saying that settings/prompts were a design failure that put a burden on users. Something really has been lost on the design team. I know the landscape is different – more liability , regulation etc. But Lawyers will always overreach on compliance and notice. Even to the point of making the app useless. They are expecting the product team to be forceful. A positive example is that I noticed most EVs have a lot of consent prompts and warnings (e.g. a warning to look at the backup camera, and a consent prompt to comply to never using the nav/infotainment while driving) – but Tesla’s do not. I imagine Elon being very demanding that the experience take precedence.
- davidcollantes 8mo ago> "Suffice it to say, I have ordered a Linx PC, which will replace the Mac." That was a sentence uttered with the misplaced confidence of a man who had no idea his real troubles were only just beginning.
- OutOfHere 8mo agoThese days, the problem with Linux is more the quality of the laptop hardware, which is substantially worse than that of a Mac laptop. The Linux software itself is stable, although drivers can occasionally hiccup. Perhaps desktops are fine. Mac laptop + Linux (with good drivers) would be heaven.
- hex4def6 8mo agoLinux can fool you into that sense of security for a long time. But there will come a point where the facade crashes down. Maybe it's plugging your laptop into an external projector, or getting to sleep and wake correctly without the WiFi driver segfaulting, or maybe it's trying to get HDR working, or audio routing or...
- ezst 8mo agoOr not. I've been using Linux since 2006, initially for fun and giggles, and then by choice, and nowadays it's without a doubt the superior alternative. My successive employers forcing me through Windows gave me the "privilege" of daily-driving Windows at work and seeing up-close everything that Microsoft has produced since XP. That show-stopping 15min drivers installation because you plugged-in some headset or mouse? That's Windows-only. That screen positioning that can't be remembered consistently between work and office? Ditto. That nefarious hours-long unskippable OS-upgrade? Same. That feeling of losing your mind because you configured something in a specific way and now it's gone? Oh yeah, that's Windows overriding your user-preferences behind your back, just because. Your playlist blasting in the open space? Apparently that's a Windows feature of your bluetooth headphones switching off (even when they were not playing because your playlist was paused). That wifi that you have to re-enter the credentials once a month or so? Yeah, Windows suspend/resume once again crapped and that somehow caused network amnesia. And that's just the hardware-ish stuff. The permanent nagging, upselling, silly distractions, adverts and overall lack of polish and stability is nothing new in software-land. I cannot remember when I last had a network, bluetooth, audio or driver issue with Linux on my ThinkPad. I legitimately cannot. But I can assure you I that had 3 of those in the last couple weeks alone on my work's HP elitebook with W11 24H2.
- whynotmaybe 8mo ago>I live and work in a multi-lingual environment, and regularly switch between the German and English keyboard layout. Lately, the keyboard layout no longer sticks. It resets to English when I press shift. Sometimes it does work, sometimes it doesn't. Yeah, windows is also the king for that. Almost every update reactivates the shortcut to change locale, even though I've removed it. And they even added a new shortcut to change locale : Win+space. So as I'm always juggling between mac and windows, Win+space is sometimes pressed instead of ctrl+space and then all of a sudden my keyboard is switched to another language. Don't worry, there's a fix ! Modify all the installed language, add your keyboard layout and remove all the others. So now you can also have a an English locale with a non English keyboard layout.
- wink 8mo agoI was recently made aware you should be able to use Powertoys (as maybe the only way) to remove the innate win+space shortcut and override it with e.g. your launcher. This works... it shows the launcher. But I still find myself with the wrong language selected every couple days, I have a feeling it does not fully work when I use win+space inside an RDP connection or.. somewhere else. Mildly infuriating if you can't just disable OS-level shortcuts.
- uniqueuid 8mo agoIt's interesting how the sentiment around Apple has turned, for the first time in what feels like 20 years. The true reason is, as the recent norwegian report quipped: We love our tech, but it betrays us - that's an abusive relationship. Consent prompts are a band-aid for users being exploited: They are not fixing the root but covering it with legal painkillers. But the only true remedy is actually feeling in control of and empowered by your device - a vision that Apple once at least promised, but now has less and less legitimacy of heralding.
- taurath 8mo ago> feeling in control of and empowered by your device - a vision that Apple once at least promised Legitimately, when? I got started on an Apple II, I used the puck mouse without right click, I watched people buy the insanely costly hardware that was always integrated and you couldn’t service yourself. Windows was always more open than Mac - people just didn’t use Linux because it required you to know how things worked under the hood. Just like the rest of large technology companies, and the economy as a whole, we are all being squeezed for every drop. Eventually the well will run dry, there’s already practically no more data to pull, and the apps will get shittier as revenues need to keep going up, and all the pillars of tech will fall over like a tree hollowed out by pests.
- retired 8mo ago> people just didn’t use Linux because it required you to know how things worked under the hood. This is how Windows feels to me now. The very first interaction with Windows when I buy a new computer is to do Shift+F10 and type away some magical terminal commands to get it working. That I have to use the terminal to get Windows operational after unboxing my new device is insanity. From my notes: > net.exe user 'username' 'password' /add > net.exe localgroup Administrators 'username' /add > cd oobe > msoobe.exe && shutdown.exe -r
- manoDev 8mo agoWe’re past the golden age of personal computing, the money isn’t there anymore. I’m afraid we’ll have to get used to bad software for a while.
- pxeboot 8mo ago> There is no simple way to reset the computer to factory conditions. This is not accurate. There is a built-in factory reset option on macOS, just like on iOS.
- pram 8mo agoIDK if you're the author but yt-dlp can easily be installed with Homebrew. Manually downloading the interpreter etc is quite the rigmarole.
- liquid_thyme 8mo agoThere is no excuse for poor software when you only have to support a tiny number of hardware variations.
- tarcon 8mo agoThey also support a large number of previous OS. If you hard reset your 2013 Mac, it'll download OSX Mountain Lion.
- liquid_thyme 8mo agoAs per https://endoflife.date/macos https://endoflife.date/macos only 3 MacOS versions are under active support. Also I would wager that most people upgrade the OS anyway due to the piss-poor backwards compatibility for software - Xcode being a prime example.
- frizlab 8mo agoThere is no excuse for writing a page about faults in the software with that much errors.
- dotdi 8mo agoSeveral ideas from this blog post are factually wrong. Additionally, I cannot confirm the more subjective ideas - and I've been running Macbooks for almost 20 years, and specifically working with Python both for hobby, for research, professionally, for cybersecurity, etc. I have an old 2013 laptop that is the "couch machine". It still works adequately. No issues with sleep/wake. Time machine outlasted the external HDD it was running on. I am writing this on an M1 Max, which will be 5 years old this year, and I hope I get 5 more years, it's just that good.
- retired 8mo agoThe last time my Time Machine backup was corrupt was in 2013 when I was writing to a SMB share over a PPTP VPN through a 4G connection. I don’t blame Apple for my own crappy infrastructure, corruption was bound to happen.
- jclardy 8mo agoYeah - the sleep/wake one is crazy to me. I have had numerous mac's and windows machines over the last 20 years as well and Sleep/Wake has been perfectly consistent on the mac. In 2026 on year old hardware from Microsoft (Surface Pro) I have regular issues with waking from sleep, or more commonly, the battery will just be completely dead in the morning when it had a full charge the night before. The python complaint I get, but it is because they ship an old python version with the OS and you have to work around that to install a different version. Security settings can be set via the Settings app and don't require the terminal like the author stated. They can be changed via the terminal, but the golden path is just tapping a button in settings to allow the unauthorized app and typing in your password. Granted - it isn't obvious, and I only know this because over the years as notarization was added the dialogs became slowly less helpful in guiding you to the right spot, I think now in Tahoe they don't even make a mention of where you should go to allow it.
- queenkjuul 8mo agoMy work MacBook pro refused to wake from sleep exactly as described in the article on average twice per week until i convinced my boss to buy me a PC
- bitwize 8mo agoLinux may soon not be an option because of age verification laws. The New York law, currently pending, requires age verification assurance from hardware vendors, not just OS suppliers. Locked-bootloader PCs are coming in order to comply with the laws.
- dmitrygr 8mo agoI disagree. This feature protects people who do not know better. Those who do, instead of raising their blood pressure by writing rants, can simply disable this feature.
- comex 8mo ago> We wanted to download a clip using yt_dlp (a Python program). Terminal told us, this would require dev tools (which it doesn't). It is offering to install Apple's developer tools package which includes Python. The download is ~900MB, much of which consists of large Swift and C compiler binaries. That's pretty large if you only need Python, but in practice you probably do want the full dev tools because Python packages often compile C extensions when installed. > Except, that non-blessed python could not access the internet because of some MacOS "security" feature. There is no such security feature. Perhaps a TLS issue? > Another "security" feature requires all apps on Apple computers to be notarized, even the ones I built myself. This used to have a relatively easy workaround (right click, open, accept the risk). Now it needs a terminal command. You can also do it from System Settings. Or if you are actually building on the same machine, you can avoid the problem as described at the bottom of this page: https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/catalina-executables.html https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/catalina-executables.htm... > On some Apple systems, this fails to show any audio devices, "for security reasons". While the implementation is somewhat janky, there are real and valid security reasons to require consent for using the microphone. > There is no indication anywhere that the hard drive is getting full. Not proactive warnings (does any OS do that?), but there are plenty of ways to see how full the disk is, including the newish System Settings -> General -> Storage, which breaks down storage use and offers some ways to save space. > There is no simple way to reset the computer to factory conditions. System Settings -> General -> Erase All Content and Settings.
- latexr 8mo ago> There is no such security feature. Perhaps a TLS issue? Definitely user error. If you install Python from the website, instead of using the developer tools or Homebrew (which requires the developer tools), you also have to run the `Install Certificates.command` which comes with it.
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- retired 8mo ago> This used to have a relatively easy workaround (right click, open, accept the risk). Now it needs a terminal command. You can also just go into System Settings, Security and hit Approve. Personally I prefer it if the software I use has been signed using the certificate of the developer. But it would be nice if Apple if they could lower the annual cost of membership (currently $99).
- n8cpdx 8mo agoI appreciate the sentiment of voting with your wallet and supporting alternatives. Unfortunately the major vendors are in a race to the bottom and the alternatives aren’t much better. Linux might be better in some ways, but I expect there will be enough minor frustrations that on net it will be a downgrade, especially considering hardware. Some of it is just needing to learn the right way for the given system - people (perhaps rightly) tolerate needing to learn to use Linux but don’t tolerate needing to learn to use Mac. Obviously the basics should be intuitive, but power user workflows need to be learned on any system - installing yt-dlp is a power user workflow. I see loads of essentially disinformation about Mac on here, mostly about things that could be solved by Googling (I prefer Kagi) or opening the help documentation.
- KiDD 8mo agoSkill issue
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- wink 8mo agoThe permissions thing regarding Accessibility or Network Access is the worst. Half the popups make no sense (even to a programmer) and it just feels clunky. (Bonus point: why is a tiling window manager or anything controlling windows or controls even sorted under Accessibility?) I recently wanted to control some things with a MIDI device (mostly hardware mute for Slack/Teams etc) and need AppleScript for that. But of course `osascript` is a different thing than the `Script Editor` and if you want to add a binary in the dialog you click the + button as described in the manual but of course it does not give you a way to select /usr/bin or /bin - just the view with Applications etc. Showing "hidden" files or dirs is easier on Windows and that says a lot. (I suppose there must be a way, but I gave up finding it and just exported my stuff as an App in ~/Applications, I can add those.)
- drcongo 8mo agoAlmost everything in this article is wrong, this person shouldn't be allowed near a computer.