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I'm typing this on an 8gb MacBook and Tahoe. it's mostly fine

by dubeye 7mo ago

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gyomu 7mo ago
You must not be doing much else then. My M1 8GB Air did great before Tahoe; even medium complexity Xcode projects ran fine on it with other apps running. Since I made the mistake of upgrading it to Tahoe, it’s too painful to work in those projects.
- dubeye 7mo ago
  It chugs if I launch a node server yes but that's an outlying use case for an 8gb air. AI is so good these days I am using the laptop for quick changes more often, as I just push every change. I rarely need to fiddle. The general experience of using my desktop and laptop are converging.
  - jpc0 7mo ago
    Let me ensure I understand you. Running a node.js server on Tahoe makes your macbook sluggish and you feel like Tahoe is fine performance wise? May I reminded you that 10 years ago people also ran chrome and node js webservers and this was not a problem in any way with 8GB of ram.
    - dubeye 7mo ago
      That's very interesting to hear. I didn't know that.
      - piperswe 7mo ago
        I developed Node.js applications 10 years ago on a 2009 MacBook Pro with 5GB of RAM, and it was only a little tight on memory. 8GB _should_ be enough for moderate complexity development, but everything has become more and more memory-hungry with time.
  - nateb2022 7mo ago
    > It chugs if I launch a node server yes but that's an outlying use case for an 8gb air. May I ask if you have many 3rd party apps installed? What apps do you usually keep open at a time? Because 8GB should be more than fine for a node server. Is it an Apple Silicon Air, or an older Intel model?
  - teaearlgraycold 7mo ago
    What are you doing in your node server? That shouldn't take up a ton of RAM.
- ezfe 7mo ago
  Yeah it sounds like you’re the target audience for 16GB of RAM.
  - ex-aws-dude 7mo ago
    If you even know what XCode is you're not the target audience for 8GB
  - dml2135 7mo ago
    And who exactly is the target audience for a regression?
tempaccount420 7mo ago
How did you type this from the lock screen?
elxr 7mo ago
It used to feel way better, that's the issue. Tahoe is a massive regression in my personal experience (16GB here). So many random bugs and menu bar pop-up slowdowns (how is the system menu bar this unresponsive?). Spotlight has gotten so bad, I can literally count the time it takes between typing the app name and the result showing up in the dropdown. Ended up switching Spotlight to Tuna.
- gyomu 7mo ago
  Oh my god, yes. Spotlight on Tahoe is a joke. Why will it so often not display any results at all, even for system apps like Safari or Terminal? You’d think those would be in an always available cache guaranteed to always show up instantly? So many questions.
  - elxr 7mo ago
    > Why will it so often not display any results at all, even for system apps like Safari or Terminal? I've experienced this too, even after giving spotlight multiple shots months apart. For your sanity, I say just stop using spotlight. Don't let Apple steal your valuable waking hours with their crap QA.
    - throwaway290 7mo ago
      what to use instead to launch apps and find stuff?
      - elxr 7mo ago
        Tuna (https://tunaformac.com https://tunaformac.com), like I mentioned earlier. Made by a really creative solo dev, minimal, and not as complex as raycast. It's a night and day difference compared to the pile of garbage Spotlight.
        throwaway290 7mo ago
        Tuna looks super cool But I'm sure there is some explanation but when I launched an app using tuna I got a standard macOS security notification "Tuna.app was prevented from modifying apps on your Mac" Why a simple launcher needs "App Management" permission ?
crazygringo 7mo ago
Exactly. 8 GB still seems plenty for lightweight work, even under Tahoe. For general browsing and webapps and writing papers and watching Netflix and whatever, this is great.

I'm typing this on an 8gb MacBook and Tahoe. it's mostly fine

by dubeye 7mo ago

I'm typing this on an 8gb MacBook and Tahoe. it's mostly fine

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gyomu 7mo ago

You must not be doing much else then. My M1 8GB Air did great before Tahoe; even medium complexity Xcode projects ran fine on it with other apps running. Since I made the mistake of upgrading it to Tahoe, it’s too painful to work in those projects.

dubeye 7mo ago
It chugs if I launch a node server yes but that's an outlying use case for an 8gb air. AI is so good these days I am using the laptop for quick changes more often, as I just push every change. I rarely need to fiddle. The general experience of using my desktop and laptop are converging.
- jpc0 7mo ago
  Let me ensure I understand you. Running a node.js server on Tahoe makes your macbook sluggish and you feel like Tahoe is fine performance wise? May I reminded you that 10 years ago people also ran chrome and node js webservers and this was not a problem in any way with 8GB of ram.
  - dubeye 7mo ago
    That's very interesting to hear. I didn't know that.
    - piperswe 7mo ago
      I developed Node.js applications 10 years ago on a 2009 MacBook Pro with 5GB of RAM, and it was only a little tight on memory. 8GB _should_ be enough for moderate complexity development, but everything has become more and more memory-hungry with time.
- nateb2022 7mo ago
  > It chugs if I launch a node server yes but that's an outlying use case for an 8gb air. May I ask if you have many 3rd party apps installed? What apps do you usually keep open at a time? Because 8GB should be more than fine for a node server. Is it an Apple Silicon Air, or an older Intel model?
- teaearlgraycold 7mo ago
  What are you doing in your node server? That shouldn't take up a ton of RAM.
ezfe 7mo ago
Yeah it sounds like you’re the target audience for 16GB of RAM.
- ex-aws-dude 7mo ago
  If you even know what XCode is you're not the target audience for 8GB
- dml2135 7mo ago
  And who exactly is the target audience for a regression?

tempaccount420 7mo ago

How did you type this from the lock screen?

elxr 7mo ago

It used to feel way better, that's the issue. Tahoe is a massive regression in my personal experience (16GB here). So many random bugs and menu bar pop-up slowdowns (how is the system menu bar this unresponsive?). Spotlight has gotten so bad, I can literally count the time it takes between typing the app name and the result showing up in the dropdown. Ended up switching Spotlight to Tuna.

gyomu 7mo ago
Oh my god, yes. Spotlight on Tahoe is a joke. Why will it so often not display any results at all, even for system apps like Safari or Terminal? You’d think those would be in an always available cache guaranteed to always show up instantly? So many questions.
- elxr 7mo ago
  > Why will it so often not display any results at all, even for system apps like Safari or Terminal? I've experienced this too, even after giving spotlight multiple shots months apart. For your sanity, I say just stop using spotlight. Don't let Apple steal your valuable waking hours with their crap QA.
  - throwaway290 7mo ago
    what to use instead to launch apps and find stuff?
    - elxr 7mo ago
      Tuna (https://tunaformac.com https://tunaformac.com), like I mentioned earlier. Made by a really creative solo dev, minimal, and not as complex as raycast. It's a night and day difference compared to the pile of garbage Spotlight.
      - throwaway290 7mo ago
        Tuna looks super cool But I'm sure there is some explanation but when I launched an app using tuna I got a standard macOS security notification "Tuna.app was prevented from modifying apps on your Mac" Why a simple launcher needs "App Management" permission ?

crazygringo 7mo ago

Exactly. 8 GB still seems plenty for lightweight work, even under Tahoe. For general browsing and webapps and writing papers and watching Netflix and whatever, this is great.