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You can't use a code editor when you're under 18 now?
- al_borland 7mo agoIf I’m reading this correctly, the 18+ part is for the paid AI service, not the editor itself.
- nacs 7mo agoYep, the email they sent out is terribly worded so it looks like the age requirement is for Zed itself. Their actual blog ( https://zed.dev/blog/terms-update https://zed.dev/blog/terms-update ) says the age requirement is only for their AI service (still not the best wording but a little clearer): > Age requirement. You must be 18 or older to use Zed’s AI-enabled software-as-a-service offering (the “Service").
- rixed 7mo agoThis still sounds odd. Where is this restriction coming from?
- hyperman1 7mo agoIt has binding arbitration. I assume/hope you must be an adult to sign away your right to sue.
- extraduder_ire 7mo agoSpeculation I've seen is that whatever LLM they're reselling has this requirement itself and they need to pass it along. I had expected this to be about their multi-user editing and chat features.
- easytiger 7mo agoThey sent a clarifying email today > Our email yesterday was imprecise relative to our actual new Terms. To be specific: > You must be at least 18 years old to use the Service (Zed’s AI-enabled software-as-a-service offering, including features like account creation/sign in, Zed Free and Zed Pro, and collaboration). See https://zed.dev/terms#21-eligibility https://zed.dev/terms#21-eligibility. We set the threshold at 18 due to children's data privacy obligations under COPPA, equivalent international frameworks, and an increasing number of state and regional laws that extend protections to anyone under 18. Those regulations require parental consent verification, age-gated data handling, and separate retention policies for minors. Building and maintaining that infrastructure is a real cost for a small team, and getting it wrong carries regulatory risk. Setting the line at 18 lets us maintain a single privacy framework for all account holders without carve-outs. > Zed's Software (open source code editing software) is governed by our open source licenses. In cases where the open source license can govern, it will over the Terms. See https://zed.dev/terms#24-restrictions https://zed.dev/terms#24-restrictions.
- skeledrew 7mo agoCosts of age gating about to neuter the next generation.
- aaron695 7mo ago[dead]
- trs83 7mo agoTime for kids to learn vim.
- Arch485 7mo agoFear not, Zed has vim mode!
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- hosh 7mo agoI learned to use ed as a kid. I was highly motivated — this was the in-game editor for MudOS/Nightmare. I am just as likely to get the kids on Pharo or Squeak (the old school stuff, not the newer Python based Squeak)
- whynotmaybe 7mo agoLet's start a list of learning references https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11828270/how-do-i-exit-vim#11828573 https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11828270/how-do-i-exit-v...
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 7mo agoWhy the age requirement for AI? Given how the engineering market is evolving, that's a huge limitation. There is no ban on using knives below 18, and you can cut your fingers with those...
- marcus_holmes 7mo agoI use Zed, but not the AI bits of it. Works really well as a plain code editor. I hope they remember there are folks like me who just want a better code editor than the miserable shite that is VSCode, without all the LLM stuff in it. Not that I have a problem with the LLM stuff, I just use the LLM in a shell and then use Zed to fix the problems in the output.
- adithyassekhar 7mo agoYou might like this then https://gram.liten.app/ https://gram.liten.app/
- marcus_holmes 7mo agoooo, yes I would. Thanks for the tip :)
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- Recurecur 7mo agoThis entire effort at “age verification” needs to die in a fire.
- kgwxd 7mo agoKeep the data protection laws, remove the max age cut off. I want data protection too! No need to verify age.
- thomasfromcdnjs 7mo agoAmen.
- tombert 7mo agoI dunno. I mostly agree with you, mostly because I don't like being tracked, and I don't like the surveillance state. But, I mean, kids probably shouldn't be looking at porn. Arguably no one should be viewing porn but it's probably especially bad for young, developing minds to be watching that kind of stuff, and if we agree that kids shouldn't be watching porn then maybe we should be doing a cursory effort to make it so they're not? It's easy to say "no it's the parents' responsibility", but let's be honest with ourselves. My parents tried child blocks for me so that I won't look at unsavory websites when I was thirteen, and those worked for about twenty minutes until I figured out how to get around them, and eventually reformatted my hard drive with OpenSUSE so my parents wouldn't be able to try again. Kids find a way. So I dunno, maybe things should be on the provider sometimes?
- DrJokepu 7mo agoYeah the world is not going to end if some teenage boys get to see some naked breasts. All this effort could be invested into providing decent sexual education to teenagers instead.
- tombert 7mo agoThe world isn't going to end if a teenage boy sees a booby, but I think that it can distort a teenager's view on sex and sexuality. I think that part of the disturbing woman-hating incel "movement" might be, at least in part, a result of a lot of very stupid guys seeing distorted views sex and seeing a lot of media where objectifying women is rewarded. [1] Also, porn nowadays isn't just a woman showing a titty; if you go on PornHub or something, it is all pretty hardcore now. I agree that good sex education is ideal, but I still think that we probably shouldn't be allowing kids to watch porn. [1] Also, who actually pays for the pizza???? I mean, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Pizza should count as lunch, or at least dinner. Are all these horny housewives ordering pizzas with no way to pay for it making the prices of my pizza go up?
- rvz 7mo agoHeadline soon: You must be 18+ years old to use a Raspberry Pi. Time to short Raspberry Pi stock then.
- ChrisArchitect 7mo agoEarlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47240158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47240158
- gregw2 7mo agoA kid coder I know can't use free Google Gemini because his Windows laptop has parental controls turned on and his accurate age is associated with his Google account.
- PessimalDecimal 7mo agoSounds like he'll actually have to learn to code!
- vrighter 7mo agohe's so lucky!
- jasonfrost 7mo agoBill gates made more than a years salary programming his first priejct in grade school
- whateveracct 7mo agoemacs still works :)
- GuestFAUniverse 7mo agoThe justification of telemetry as a necessity makes me wonder how working software was ever achieved for decades without it. /S That's the same bunch that starts a software project by installing K8s.
- clot27 7mo agowhat a joke
- Hizonner 7mo agoOf course not. You might try to write code to get around the jail everybody wants to put you into.
- xg15 7mo agoI get their point, but since when does a code editor require an internet connection?
- hulitu 7mo agoSince Notepad require one.