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> Things about America's history -- speeches from George Washington/Lincoln/MLK/Other significant figures Is there a source for this? I'd be little surprised i

by mzajc 7mo ago

> Things about America's history -- speeches from George Washington/Lincoln/MLK/Other significant figures Is there a source for this? I'd be little surprised if they encouraged airing MLK's speeches, but the linked document doesn't mention MLK, or encourage airing historical speeches of any kind.

Jtsummers 7mo ago
No, GP is making things up to try and paint the request in a positive light. They're just bullshitting, safe to ignore folks like that.
- pinkmuffinere 7mo ago
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  - Jtsummers 7mo ago
    Hi pinkmuffinere, please do me a favor and consider the context surrounding this request and Carr's behavior in general. Others have provided it, you've chosen to ignore it. Choosing to be ignorant does not help here, you can do better.
    - pinkmuffinere 7mo ago
      You claim that the request does not encourage "speeches from George Washington/Lincoln/MLK/Other significant figures". I believe I've provided quotes and sources proving otherwise. I am not here to discuss more generic American politics, I'm here to discuss the main text referenced by the submission -- to wit, the Gizmodo article misrepresents the main text. I'm defending that (fairly narrow) claim.
      - ImPostingOnHN 7mo ago
        > I am not here to discuss more generic American politics This entire submission is about generic American politics. If you don't want to comment on this submission and participate in discussions about it, that's okay, but I think folks are confused by your insistence on discussing generic American politics (this submission) while omitting other generic American politics about the very same topic (the context of this submission). If you want to discuss a thing, you should be okay with thinking and talking about the critical context around that thing. As an engineer, I'm sure you can understand.
        pinkmuffinere 7mo ago
        I guess I am interesting in discussing the much narrower question. And I can see you are not yet sick of replying to me :P, so I'd like to ask your view ImPostingOnHN -- do you feel that the text of Carr's request seems on-net good? If not, what is it in the text that you object to? To be clear, I actually do find one line objectionable (and maybe you'll show me others). He calls on broadcasters to air "patriotic, pro-America content". I feel 'patriotic' is just on the line of making me uncomfortable, and 'pro-America' slightly crosses over it. I think the right to criticize the powers-that-be is quintessentially American, and asking for explicit pro-America content betrays that. But I can also see ways that both of these could be interpreted in a positive-for-humanity way, even though they don't naturally jump out to me in that way.
        ImPostingOnHN 7mo ago
        There's really no good reason for me (or you) to exclude critical context from the announcement, given that they're both "generic American politics". Plenty of bad reasons though. If you want to discuss "generic American politics", however, I have some questions already posed to you earlier which you thusfar have ignored because they were "generic American politics".
pinkmuffinere 7mo ago
Here's the relevant section [1] (emphasis mine): > “That is why I am inviting broadcasters to pledge to air programming in their local markets in support of this historic national, non-partisan celebration. As an example, this could include: > • Running PSAs, short segments, or full specials specifically promoting _civic education, inspiring local stories, and American history_. > • Including segments during regular news programming that highlight local sites that are significant to American and regional history, such as National Park Service sites. > • Starting each broadcast day with the “Star Spangled Banner” or Pledge of Allegiance. > • Airing music by America’s greatest composers, such as John Philip Sousa, Aaron Copland, Duke Ellington, or George Gershwin. > • Providing daily “Today in American History” announcements highlighting significant events that took place on that day in history. > • Partnering with community organizations and other groups that are already working hard to bring America’s stories of unity, perseverance, and triumph to light. MLK's speeches are certainly included in civic education, inspiring local stories, and American history. [1] https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-418890A1.pdf https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-418890A1.pdf
- DonsDiscountGas 7mo ago
  In other words you're incredibly naive and are just taking the Trump administration at their word
  - pinkmuffinere 7mo ago
    mzajc asked for a source, and I provided a source from the main text.

by mzajc 7mo ago

Jtsummers 7mo ago

No, GP is making things up to try and paint the request in a positive light. They're just bullshitting, safe to ignore folks like that.

pinkmuffinere 7mo ago
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- Jtsummers 7mo ago
  Hi pinkmuffinere, please do me a favor and consider the context surrounding this request and Carr's behavior in general. Others have provided it, you've chosen to ignore it. Choosing to be ignorant does not help here, you can do better.
  - pinkmuffinere 7mo ago
    You claim that the request does not encourage "speeches from George Washington/Lincoln/MLK/Other significant figures". I believe I've provided quotes and sources proving otherwise. I am not here to discuss more generic American politics, I'm here to discuss the main text referenced by the submission -- to wit, the Gizmodo article misrepresents the main text. I'm defending that (fairly narrow) claim.
    - ImPostingOnHN 7mo ago
      > I am not here to discuss more generic American politics This entire submission is about generic American politics. If you don't want to comment on this submission and participate in discussions about it, that's okay, but I think folks are confused by your insistence on discussing generic American politics (this submission) while omitting other generic American politics about the very same topic (the context of this submission). If you want to discuss a thing, you should be okay with thinking and talking about the critical context around that thing. As an engineer, I'm sure you can understand.
      - pinkmuffinere 7mo ago
        I guess I am interesting in discussing the much narrower question. And I can see you are not yet sick of replying to me :P, so I'd like to ask your view ImPostingOnHN -- do you feel that the text of Carr's request seems on-net good? If not, what is it in the text that you object to? To be clear, I actually do find one line objectionable (and maybe you'll show me others). He calls on broadcasters to air "patriotic, pro-America content". I feel 'patriotic' is just on the line of making me uncomfortable, and 'pro-America' slightly crosses over it. I think the right to criticize the powers-that-be is quintessentially American, and asking for explicit pro-America content betrays that. But I can also see ways that both of these could be interpreted in a positive-for-humanity way, even though they don't naturally jump out to me in that way.
        ImPostingOnHN 7mo ago
        There's really no good reason for me (or you) to exclude critical context from the announcement, given that they're both "generic American politics". Plenty of bad reasons though. If you want to discuss "generic American politics", however, I have some questions already posed to you earlier which you thusfar have ignored because they were "generic American politics".

pinkmuffinere 7mo ago

Here's the relevant section [1] (emphasis mine): > “That is why I am inviting broadcasters to pledge to air programming in their local markets in support of this historic national, non-partisan celebration. As an example, this could include: > • Running PSAs, short segments, or full specials specifically promoting _civic education, inspiring local stories, and American history_. > • Including segments during regular news programming that highlight local sites that are significant to American and regional history, such as National Park Service sites. > • Starting each broadcast day with the “Star Spangled Banner” or Pledge of Allegiance. > • Airing music by America’s greatest composers, such as John Philip Sousa, Aaron Copland, Duke Ellington, or George Gershwin. > • Providing daily “Today in American History” announcements highlighting significant events that took place on that day in history. > • Partnering with community organizations and other groups that are already working hard to bring America’s stories of unity, perseverance, and triumph to light. MLK's speeches are certainly included in civic education, inspiring local stories, and American history. [1] https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-418890A1.pdf https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-418890A1.pdf

DonsDiscountGas 7mo ago
In other words you're incredibly naive and are just taking the Trump administration at their word
- pinkmuffinere 7mo ago
  mzajc asked for a source, and I provided a source from the main text.