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Amazon is an extremely visible American company, hitting their assets carries a symbolic meaning even if the DoD wouldn't have anything running on that datacent

by WJW 7mo ago

Amazon is an extremely visible American company, hitting their assets carries a symbolic meaning even if the DoD wouldn't have anything running on that datacentre at all. Iran's trying to transmit a message of "we can destroy your stuff too", trying to impact the general US feeling of invulnerability. I don't think it'll work, but they might as well try I guess.

randunel 7mo ago
> trying to impact the general US feeling of invulnerability Or, perhaps, trying to defend themselves? They are being attacked, after all.
- deleted 7mo ago
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- tzahifadida 7mo ago
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  - orwin 7mo ago
    They can make it very expensive though. And they can't negotiate, given it's the second time they are attacked during negotiations, so really, what can they do? Cause the most chaos possible around them, strain the relationships between the US and other ME countries, force the US to make a choice about which ally to protect (it will be Saudi Arabia), make the oil price go up and deplete US weapon stocks. If the force the US and Israel to put boots on the ground, they will have won.
    - tzahifadida 7mo ago
      In WW-II, the US bombed the hell out of German forces for months on end. That is what people do not understand. The US have the capability to generate bombs indefinitely. There will be no boots on the ground for soldiers (they wish). They will just get pulverised as time goes by. If the US and Israel will think they cannot get to their thick skull they'll simply bomb the oil refineries and let the Iranian regime deal with paychecks from their street goons and fanatics who will eat them alive.
      - bayindirh 7mo ago
        > The US have the capability to generate bombs indefinitely. The same US which had to re-build and re-open factories to be able to support Ukraine, and had an important shortage of shells for some time? The same US talking with their allies to build ships for them? US generals said that their defensive munition is not infinite. Middle Eastern countries said that they have Patriot stockpiles for 4 days. We're past WWII. Nobody has that capacity anymore. Some of the tech and factories built these gigantic battle cruisers are not present anymore even. US may, and can pulverize Iran if they want, but it'll be much more expensive than WWII era, because of how interconnected the world is now, and this is how post-WWII world has been designated. Make everyone depend on everyone, and make war very expensive as a result.
      - nixon_why69 7mo ago
        Its not bombs that are running out, its interceptors. The 12 day war exhausted 25% of american stocks, we're on day 3 of this round, do the math. What happens to Israel when the interceptors run out and they're on equal standing with Iranian/Palestinian/Lebanese civilians?
- nixon_why69 7mo ago
  It's both, this particular counter-attack is aimed at morale rather than specifically a base launching sorties against them. Ultimately, this war ends when America loses the political will to continue, so morale is a strategic objective for them.
- dotancohen 7mo ago
  That's why they've been hitting residential buildings and hotels as well? They assume that because their proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah) hide in civilian structures, so does the US army? All these attempts to justify Iranian terror demonstrate just how deep Qatari influence online has been. And even Qatar is being attacked by Iran now.
  - kasey_junk 7mo ago
    Is Hezbollah hiding in the elementary school that got bombed? Perhaps that’s where the Iranian nuclear research was done? We attacked them. Full stop. And as far as I can tell we haven’t given them any conditions for when we will stop bombing them. In what moral framework do you have to just accept another sovereign, a vastly more powerful one, invading your country without fighting back?
    - ta20240528 7mo ago
      I can't guess what the USA wants other than a distraction from the raping-of- children saga, but I bet Israel would settle for "we acknowledge your right to exist and won't fund or encourage organisations that plan to harm you." If Saudi Arabia can get there…
      - kasey_junk 7mo ago
        The world has seen what Israel does when they’re attacked. They don’t get to set moral frameworks anymore.
        ta20240528 7mo ago
        Agreed. But that wasn't the OP's question.
        dotancohen 7mo ago
        Who in your opinion sets the moral framework for defending oneself against an enemy which has sworn genocide and proven capable of destroying entire peaceful villages along their borders?
- keybored 7mo ago
  America is so unused to being attacked (counter-attacked) that this needs to be explained apparently.
- avereveard 7mo ago
  they have been engaging in hybrid warfare for decade+ they don't get to play victim this is the result of their continued proxy attacks
bayindirh 7mo ago
> I don't think it'll work, but they might as well try I guess. Consider this from the eyes of the people living there. Your world is peaceful one day and burning tomorrow. It doesn't have to be "burning like hell", but something came from the sky, entered your building, exploded and damaged some stuff to the extent that fire-supression triggered and damaged more things. Even if it's not a trauma, it's a shock. Something you'll be remembering for a long time. We live in fragile bubbles, but don't know it until we experience it pop. While this might not make them "win" the war, it'll leave a mark and make the affected persons' ears perch up to understand what's happening better. Please note, I'm not from either side. I'm a close observer because of where I live, and still believe that this should have not happened.
- seydor 7mo ago
  Especially when 90% of the population are immigrants having no emotional ties to the ground
  - bayindirh 7mo ago
    Yeah, it'll definitely trigger "why am I here and putting up with this" response in some people, and that's a breaking point for many of them.
eb0la 7mo ago
Not just Amazon - I guess the Oil and gas industry is now run on the cloud. They used to have big SGI machines 30 years ago... but I bet everything is on the cloud now using GPUs.
- bayindirh 7mo ago
  I tend to believe that they still have their own clusters. For speed and privacy reasons. You don't want to give away the location of the oil you have found.
  - arbitrary_name 7mo ago
    i have helped several major oil and companies migrate core infrastructure to the cloud. plus, by the time you steal data relating to seismic surveys and reservoir analysis, you're years to late to exploit it as a competitor.
    - bayindirh 7mo ago
      Thanks for the info. I stand corrected.

by WJW 7mo ago

randunel 7mo ago

> trying to impact the general US feeling of invulnerability Or, perhaps, trying to defend themselves? They are being attacked, after all.

deleted 7mo ago
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tzahifadida 7mo ago
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- orwin 7mo ago
  They can make it very expensive though. And they can't negotiate, given it's the second time they are attacked during negotiations, so really, what can they do? Cause the most chaos possible around them, strain the relationships between the US and other ME countries, force the US to make a choice about which ally to protect (it will be Saudi Arabia), make the oil price go up and deplete US weapon stocks. If the force the US and Israel to put boots on the ground, they will have won.
  - tzahifadida 7mo ago
    In WW-II, the US bombed the hell out of German forces for months on end. That is what people do not understand. The US have the capability to generate bombs indefinitely. There will be no boots on the ground for soldiers (they wish). They will just get pulverised as time goes by. If the US and Israel will think they cannot get to their thick skull they'll simply bomb the oil refineries and let the Iranian regime deal with paychecks from their street goons and fanatics who will eat them alive.
    - bayindirh 7mo ago
      > The US have the capability to generate bombs indefinitely. The same US which had to re-build and re-open factories to be able to support Ukraine, and had an important shortage of shells for some time? The same US talking with their allies to build ships for them? US generals said that their defensive munition is not infinite. Middle Eastern countries said that they have Patriot stockpiles for 4 days. We're past WWII. Nobody has that capacity anymore. Some of the tech and factories built these gigantic battle cruisers are not present anymore even. US may, and can pulverize Iran if they want, but it'll be much more expensive than WWII era, because of how interconnected the world is now, and this is how post-WWII world has been designated. Make everyone depend on everyone, and make war very expensive as a result.
    - nixon_why69 7mo ago
      Its not bombs that are running out, its interceptors. The 12 day war exhausted 25% of american stocks, we're on day 3 of this round, do the math. What happens to Israel when the interceptors run out and they're on equal standing with Iranian/Palestinian/Lebanese civilians?
nixon_why69 7mo ago
It's both, this particular counter-attack is aimed at morale rather than specifically a base launching sorties against them. Ultimately, this war ends when America loses the political will to continue, so morale is a strategic objective for them.
dotancohen 7mo ago
That's why they've been hitting residential buildings and hotels as well? They assume that because their proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah) hide in civilian structures, so does the US army? All these attempts to justify Iranian terror demonstrate just how deep Qatari influence online has been. And even Qatar is being attacked by Iran now.
- kasey_junk 7mo ago
  Is Hezbollah hiding in the elementary school that got bombed? Perhaps that’s where the Iranian nuclear research was done? We attacked them. Full stop. And as far as I can tell we haven’t given them any conditions for when we will stop bombing them. In what moral framework do you have to just accept another sovereign, a vastly more powerful one, invading your country without fighting back?
  - ta20240528 7mo ago
    I can't guess what the USA wants other than a distraction from the raping-of- children saga, but I bet Israel would settle for "we acknowledge your right to exist and won't fund or encourage organisations that plan to harm you." If Saudi Arabia can get there…
    - kasey_junk 7mo ago
      The world has seen what Israel does when they’re attacked. They don’t get to set moral frameworks anymore.
      - ta20240528 7mo ago
        Agreed. But that wasn't the OP's question.
      - dotancohen 7mo ago
        Who in your opinion sets the moral framework for defending oneself against an enemy which has sworn genocide and proven capable of destroying entire peaceful villages along their borders?
keybored 7mo ago
America is so unused to being attacked (counter-attacked) that this needs to be explained apparently.
avereveard 7mo ago
they have been engaging in hybrid warfare for decade+ they don't get to play victim this is the result of their continued proxy attacks

bayindirh 7mo ago

> I don't think it'll work, but they might as well try I guess. Consider this from the eyes of the people living there. Your world is peaceful one day and burning tomorrow. It doesn't have to be "burning like hell", but something came from the sky, entered your building, exploded and damaged some stuff to the extent that fire-supression triggered and damaged more things. Even if it's not a trauma, it's a shock. Something you'll be remembering for a long time. We live in fragile bubbles, but don't know it until we experience it pop. While this might not make them "win" the war, it'll leave a mark and make the affected persons' ears perch up to understand what's happening better. Please note, I'm not from either side. I'm a close observer because of where I live, and still believe that this should have not happened.

seydor 7mo ago
Especially when 90% of the population are immigrants having no emotional ties to the ground
- bayindirh 7mo ago
  Yeah, it'll definitely trigger "why am I here and putting up with this" response in some people, and that's a breaking point for many of them.

eb0la 7mo ago

Not just Amazon - I guess the Oil and gas industry is now run on the cloud. They used to have big SGI machines 30 years ago... but I bet everything is on the cloud now using GPUs.

bayindirh 7mo ago
I tend to believe that they still have their own clusters. For speed and privacy reasons. You don't want to give away the location of the oil you have found.
- arbitrary_name 7mo ago
  i have helped several major oil and companies migrate core infrastructure to the cloud. plus, by the time you steal data relating to seismic surveys and reservoir analysis, you're years to late to exploit it as a competitor.
  - bayindirh 7mo ago
    Thanks for the info. I stand corrected.