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Sure seems that way. I don't really see how this military action is justified from a US perspective. Or even from an Israeli one. The most likely justificati
by A_D_E_P_T 8mo ago
Sure seems that way. I don't really see how this military action is justified from a US perspective. Or even from an Israeli one. The most likely justification is that the leadership of the US and Israel are a little bit unhinged and want a war to distract from domestic issues.
- halflife 8mo ago[flagged]
- catlikesshrimp 8mo agoLike people who live in Iran or did you live in Gaza? Average joes pay the price. Bibi, on the other hand, needs to keep any war going lest he some day goes to trial.
- halflife 8mo agoI’m willing to pay the price to achieve peace. I know I have defense and fortifications (and if your in Europe, you most likely have the same defenses) and can endure. Iran and Gaza have 0 defenses, and yet the chose to start a war.
- JasonADrury 8mo agoIf you're talking about Israel, why choose to move there then? Few Israelis have long-running roots in the country, it's mostly recent immigrants or their children. This feels a lot like the people building a home next to an airport and then complaining about the noise. Besides, are you sure "your house" wasn't stolen from someone? That's hardly uncommon in Israel.
- null_deref 8mo agoIsrael is 80 years old, I was born here and I’m 25 years old. The funny thing is my parents immigrated from Russia so you probably won’t want me there either (me too). Your argument is bad.
- JasonADrury 8mo agoI feel like you're just repeating my point here rather than criticizing my argument in any way. Why should anyone be opposed to you living in Russia?
- null_deref 8mo agoBecause I’d have been used as a cannon fodder in the war in Ukraine. And then you’d criticize me for being a Russian soldier. Anyway your argument is bad in multiple layers, I don’t have any other passport and I live in a home that is younger than 80 years as most Israelis do
- JasonADrury 8mo ago> I don’t have any other passport You don't need one, it is very easy to emigrate to many western countries as an Israeli passport holder. There's also a chance you qualify for one of the EU citizenship schemes for jewish descendants. You don't have to choose to live in an apartheid state. At least if you only held a Russian passport you could plausibly claim that it's somewhat difficult to move anywhere nice. > I live in a home that is younger than 80 years as most Israelis do I guess that makes it better. Truly, a shining example of Israeli moral superiority. I can easily find ownership records going back more than 500 years for the land I live on. Odds are it'd be trivial to go even further. What about the land you live on? Who owned it 100 years ago and how'd it end up in your possession? How do you think those records would tend to look in Israel? What kind of stories do you think they would tell? Would it be a good look for Israeli people?
- null_deref 8mo agoOh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion? I won’t leave my friends and family and rather fight for the values of this country from here
- halflife 8mo agoThis is your answer? Just leave my country? Well if it’s so bad for the Palestinians here why won’t they just leave as well?
- JasonADrury 8mo agoPalestinians literally need to ask you people for permission in order to leave. You can just leave, you have a decent passport and can easily move to Europe where you don't have to worry about Iranian missiles.
- halflife 8mo agoFirst of all, I literally can’t. I can only get a tourist visa which is valid for 60 days. Second, Israel tried to negotiate with countries to move willing gazans, but most countries refused. And everyone called it ethnic cleansing.
- cultofmetatron 8mo agoIt was their country before you guys showed up with guns and kicked them out. The only reason it still exists is because of a massive propaganda machine designed to misrepresent the whole situation to the American people who's tax dollars are bankrolling it.
- halflife 8mo agoAh! We’re going with history. Awesome. This country was Jewish before Islam even existed, according to many, many, many archeological findings. So is your position is to exile all non Jews from Israel?
- cultofmetatron 8mo agoThe majority of you are descendents of european converts cosplaying as middleasterners. That said, I support jews who were there before 1950s and the ones who are actually willing to make peace with palestinans and live alongside without an apartheid ethnostate. They are welcome to live in Israel and I wish them peace. The rest of you who are defending or taking part in this genocide should absolutely be exiled. that answer your question?
- moogly 8mo agoThis endless self-victimization is so unbecoming.
- hjkl0 8mo agoYou probably never lived in a democracy.
- halflife 8mo agoLike Iran? Or Gaza? Or Ramallah? Or Lebanon? Or Syria? Or turkey?
- ccppurcell 8mo agoNot only is it unjustified, attacking during a negotiation seriously undermines future negotiations. This is a massive self face punching exercise.
- coffeebeqn 8mo agoWas there really a negotiation? It seems like US is giving them an ultimatum, stop nuclear enrichment and ballistic missile production or well hit you
- yard2010 8mo ago"This is America, you can always cut a deal" - Dutch
- moogly 8mo agoIsrael has even killed a Hamas negotiator in 2024 during deliberations, and attempted to kill another one in 2025.
- fennecbutt 8mo agoI mean they literally shot a child and watched him bleed to death while creating a wall to prevent an ambulance getting to him soooo. But for some reason the Western world only sees the evil things Hamas does and handwaves IDF. They're both evil. Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpqwv9vvzx9o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpqwv9vvzx9o Though I suppose you could say he's lying, it's staged etc. In the same way that the religious attribute every good thing to their god and every bad thing to their devil.
- yard2010 8mo agoDon't fool yourself and others, attacking during negotiation is part of the negotiation.
- Matl 8mo agoNetanjahu is old and wants to secure his 'legacy' by being credited for dismantling Iran, knowing Trump will back him both because he's been fed BS and because the Israelis have enough kompromat to sink him. There's no 'rational' justification for this attack, only madness and huge egos.
- sensanaty 8mo agoWhat kompromat would even affect Trump at this point? He's been proven to be deep in bed with a literal pedophilic cabal of elites, what on Earth else could they have on this guy that would affect anything?
- Matl 8mo agoA literal video of him doing what most of us think he likely did with this pedophilic cabal of elites could likely still do some damage. Or perhaps there's still worse things we cannot imagine? With these people, one can never be too sure.
- YeGoblynQueenne 8mo agoWell, it's plausibly justified because the US considers a strong regional ally like Israel a valuable asset to have in the Middle East and if Israel is a regional hegemon [1] then all the better. There have been many arguments that the US' support of Israel goes against US interests [2], but that really makes no sense. It's not just Trump who has to be convinced to start a war for Israel, it's the entire defense establishment in the US. And also in Israel. If fighting half a dozen wars all at once was really that bad for Israel, surely, someone would have put a stop in it. Surely. _____________ [1] Got that term from J. Mearsheimer, if you were wondering. [2] Particularly the Tucker Carlson - Judge Napolitano - Col. Daniel Davies continuum of mostly conservative podcast hosts. Or those are the ones I follow closely anyway. They're all convinced it's all "because of the lobby".
- Braxton1980 8mo agoWhy is Israel a valuable asset?
- dsab 8mo agoUS is valuable Israel asset