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I hope Anthropic will survive this. If they don’t it will just be perfect proof that you cannot be both moral and successful in the US.
by yoyohello13 8mo ago
I hope Anthropic will survive this. If they don’t it will just be perfect proof that you cannot be both moral and successful in the US.
- fourthark 8mo agoMost survive by bending. See e.g. Google and surveillance a decade ago.
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- belter 8mo ago>> you cannot be both moral and successful in the US. I assumed the use of massive scraped datasets, with copyrighted material and without consent, to train large AI models, had already established this.
- drdeca 8mo agoMany people don’t think there is a moral case against training a model on copyrighted data without obtaining a license to do that specifically.
- gjsman-1000 8mo ago[flagged]
- voidfunc 8mo agoThe only way they survive is if their board fires the CEO and they bend the knee. The other option is they are given the green light to sell to one of the US Governments trusted partners: Microsoft/Oracle/X.
- bko 8mo ago[flagged]
- _bohm 8mo agoThis opinion coming from one of the most compromised people possible on this issue, lol.
- TehCorwiz 8mo agoThis conflict has zero to do with AI in the grand scheme of things. We had a whole supreme court case about refusing service to customers. Remember that? Private companies can choose which customers to service. And let's be clear about what's being sold. It's not a product that changes hands, it's a service provided continually. And as anyone except the enlisted military troops can, said vendor can choose which efforts to help with. If what the government wants is so onerous as to find no vendors to offer it then that says something doesn't it?
- GenerWork 8mo agoWhich case is that?
- bmelton 8mo agoMasterpiece Cakeshop v Colorado https://www.oyez.org/cases/2017/16-111 https://www.oyez.org/cases/2017/16-111
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- engineer_22 8mo agoPlenty of precedent for seizing private property for national defence. The list is long and growing.
- TehCorwiz 8mo agoCitation please.
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- jcgrillo 8mo agoEither way, the bribes will flow like wine, the message has been sent loud and clear
- gslepak 8mo agoWho cares whether the "company" survives? I've seen this movie. A few of them in fact. We're on the chopping block here, lol.
- collinmcnulty 8mo agoWe should care because if they win they empower others to stand up as well, and not just in the area of AI safety. Courage is contagious, and whatever else you think of Anthropic, they’re showing real courage here.
- gslepak 8mo agoI'm not debating whether or not they're being courageous. I'm referring to self-preservation, this is a natural instinct that should be in all people. Have you seen T2? District 9? The Matrix? And a few others I could mention.
- dakolli 8mo agoYeah, I find it funny how we're now defending these AI companies, when they're clearly still an enemy of the working class. They've made it incredibly clear their plans are to disenfranchise labor, and welcome in a world of God knows what with their technologies. Like they're making a stand on mass surveillance, this seems a bit like a red herring, cool they stop using their tools for war fighting, but continue to attack their fellow working working class? All three of these companies are spending hundreds of millions to psyop decision makers across every industry to give your salary to them. Get out of here, with "We will not be divided" OpenAI, Google and Anthropic employees are not friends of labor and should not use our phrases.. or they'd sabotage and or quit. And why is there no mention of how we caught OpenAI being used in government dashboards through Persona, only two weeks ago, that were directly connected to intelligence organizations and tools to identify if you are politician or high profile personds? OpenAI has been complicit in this since last January when 4o was the first model that qualified for "top secret operations" (kind of weird how 4o went onto cause a bunch of people to go literally insane and commit crazy acts of violence yet is allowed to be used in the most sensitive aspects of government.. nothing to see here).
- Aurornis 8mo agoAnthropic has enough investment money and enough additional investor interest that they can ride this out longer than this administration. It won’t be good for business, of course, but it’s not the end of their world. > it will just be perfect proof that you cannot be both moral and successful in the US. I hate this situation as much as anyone, but it’s a unique, first of its kind challenge. I don’t think it’s generalizable to anything. This is a unique situation.
- Esophagus4 8mo agoFrom a revenue perspective I think they’ll be fine, right? Weren’t the value of the govt contracts $200m out of like $14b revenue? Assuming the govt doesn’t take other crazy measures to punish them.
- tom_m 8mo agoThey're gonna crucify them. They called the Trump administration dictators. Not good.